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Offline Jitpring

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Lack of charity among Catholics
« on: April 21, 2012, 01:42:50 PM »
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    It really is a test to Faith, that so many Catholics could be so petty and cruel to each other, especially among those groups that claim to be serious about their beliefs.


    Look at St. Paul's letters to the Corinthians. Chaos in that congregation. And there was a devil even among the Twelve.

    And consider this: the gravitational force of this world is stronger than ever. Combine this with the teaching that few will be saved, and there's nothing at all shocking about the lack of charity even among apparent Catholics. What's shocking is that there's still any charity at all in this world.

    "Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity."

    -Mt. 7:21-23

    Also see:

    The Little Number of Those Who are Saved, by St. Leonard of Port Maurice

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    Letter to the Friends of the Cross, by St. Louis de Montfort
    Age, thou art shamed.*
    O shame, where is thy blush?**

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    Lack of charity among Catholics
    « Reply #1 on: April 21, 2012, 01:57:31 PM »
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  • Ive met all kinds of Catholics.
    Great people and Awful people, and everything in between.

    Certainly, Trads have alot to work on in the Charity dept.
    It seems their biggest shortcoming, collectively.

    Just an observation.


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    « Reply #2 on: April 22, 2012, 08:21:24 AM »
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  • I've noticed the tendency on the part of many traditional Catholics (English-speaking ones, at least, myself being monolingual) to view those that don't agree with them in every way as 'heretics,' even if the issue in question has nothing to do with Catholic doctrine (at least not directly). There is also a related tendency towards cliquishness, only associating oneself with people who agree with all of your opinions (once again, even if these opinions have nothing to do with doctrinal matters).

    It is indeed truly unfortunate. I can only imagine what Catholics 100 years ago would have thought about us if they could look forward into the future. I often wonder if they would even recognize us as being members of the same religion. We may go about the motions of worship in the same way, but our attitudes seem to be entirely different.
    "The Catholic Church is the only thing which saves a man from the degrading slavery of being a child of his age."--G. K. Chesterton

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    « Reply #3 on: April 22, 2012, 08:29:24 AM »
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    I've noticed that too, lefebvre fan.


    Um, OK, whoever you are, you clearly don't know me very well. What does my being a fan of Archbishop Lefebvre have anything to do with me being cliquish? I'd say the vast majority of CathInfo members are fans of his, regardless of their traditionalist 'orientation' (indult, SSPX, sede, etc.).
    "The Catholic Church is the only thing which saves a man from the degrading slavery of being a child of his age."--G. K. Chesterton

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    « Reply #4 on: April 24, 2012, 05:57:10 AM »
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    bright people here who know exactly what is going on in the Catholic Church and have a fair idea how to solve the crisis,


    They've found the solution?  What's the solution.  Do you have it?

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    How many threads have been ruined by a deliberate twisting and spinning of the narrative to focus on the chip on Telesphorus' shoulder, or some kind of man vs. woman debate, or some brain-numbing exaggeration of the Jєωιѕн problem?


    Sounds like you're the one derailing this thread.

    People who speak about "exaggeration" tend to be the ones who want to stifle discussion of it.  That's a serious problem.  The main problem with the Jєωιѕн problem is only certain kinds of people are even willing to broach the subject.  It takes a certain boldness, that often corresponds to a certain degree of recklessness.  This is not a Jєω-obsessed forum.  

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    How many nauseating comments about the totally irrelevant faults of Hispanics or Blacks?


    They aren't irrelevant when Catholics have to deal with them.  We can complain about the faults of whites too.  No one's preventing it.

     
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    These are valid topics but obviously in the current climate (as Bishop Williamson has discovered) it is nearly impossible for English speakers to discuss calmly because most people are all so brainwashed, so far gone that they require formal deprogramming before they are even able to read to the end of a sentence about such a topic before interjecting.


    Well, that's why we're here, to break through.  I don't think most people are nearly as squeamish as you imagine.  I think it is mainly fear of social judgment that guides them on these matters.


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    « Reply #5 on: April 24, 2012, 06:41:41 AM »
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    Lack of charity among Catholics, Telesphorus. What would you know about that?


    I know it all too well.  "Catholics" who treat people with contempt for no reason at all.  It's the typical trad chapel experience.  Because it's their little social pond, and they think they're the big fish.  The religion is completely secondary.  That is why you can take your mother to church and they will be rude to her.  Just because you're a man they happen to know likes a teenager.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 24, 2012, 06:46:04 AM »
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    I've noticed the tendency on the part of many traditional Catholics (English-speaking ones, at least, myself being monolingual) to view those that don't agree with them in every way as 'heretics,' even if the issue in question has nothing to do with Catholic doctrine (at least not directly). There is also a related tendency towards cliquishness, only associating oneself with people who agree with all of your opinions (once again, even if these opinions have nothing to do with doctrinal matters).


    That is not a traditional Catholic or English speaking tendency, it is a CathInfo tendency. Yes, it is disturbing but you won't find it in real life unless you know some of these members whose habit it is personally. Those who do it here are the loud ones so it seems like everyone does it but many are shaking their heads quietly in complete disagreement of the habit but knowing it is a huge waste of time to explain anything otherwise.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 24, 2012, 06:49:18 AM »
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    It really is a test to Faith, that so many Catholics could be so petty and cruel to each other, especially among those groups that claim to be serious about their beliefs.


    This site has, among its membership, a number of agents provocateur. Their aim is to pose as Traditional Catholics and then discredit the movement by making ridiculous, bigoted and outlandish statements that fly in the face of Catholic teaching. That Matthew tolerates this, week after week, is a real shame. Whose side is he on?

    From reading the posts on this forum for some months now, I have come to realize that there are some extremely bright people here who know exactly what is going on in the Catholic Church and have a fair idea how to solve the crisis, yet if I imagine myself to be a regular Catholic trying to learn about Tradition, I would say this website is like a mad-house with the likes of Tele, and that fish-face mason with his masonic avatar (how ignorant you all must be!), and several others who love to throw spanner after spanner in the works.

    How many threads have been ruined by a deliberate twisting and spinning of the narrative to focus on the chip on Telesphorus' shoulder, or some kind of man vs. woman debate, or some brain-numbing exaggeration of the Jєωιѕн problem? How many nauseating comments about the totally irrelevant faults of Hispanics or Blacks?  These are valid topics but obviously in the current climate (as Bishop Williamson has discovered) it is nearly impossible for English speakers to discuss calmly because most people are all so brainwashed, so far gone that they require formal deprogramming before they are even able to read to the end of a sentence about such a topic before interjecting.


    This is so true. What else can one do. I mean, it's a double edged sword Matthew's style is very hands off- and we can love the site for it, and sometimes hate it.

    The benefits are that people are able to post things they can't say elsewhere; ie the Krahgate, discussing the issues Felay may be dealing with, SSG and their issues, everything. You have non-sede's and sede's interacting here; I never would have been exposed to Hobbledehoy, a sede, without this forum; the library is filled with amazing uploads of spiritual works. Jitspring is an FSSP goer who can, and has, given much advice on books that are good on this, or that subject; LordPhan is an SSPXer, who doesn't just play the party line and backs his opinion with uploads of cannon law (which I find useful). Where else would all these resources be able to come together in one place?

    However, the drawback with being laissez faire is you get personalities like Telesphorous, who are very intelligent but prideful fellows; a mirror of the devil, Luther- anyone with a brain and no Charity. You get admitted postsmoking sirites like roscoe who admit to loving Beetles music and live in Texas (talk about an oxymoron). People like the recently banned JohnChrysostom fellow who are pride filled a-holes who were only banned because they 'crossed that line' which is very fine. You can find that they are seemingly void of the spiritual life, and everything they say is calculated; nothing is said without pushing an idea (agenda) they have that is ongoing.

    They are unbalanced, and some of them, and these are the ones I try to confront, push, or try to push, their unbalanced views on others.  




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    « Reply #8 on: April 24, 2012, 06:52:03 AM »
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    Just because you're a man they happen to know likes a teenager.


    AGENDA ALERT!

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    « Reply #9 on: April 24, 2012, 06:52:48 AM »
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  • What a surprise, I start a thread anonymously and I end up getting called "the mirror of the devil Luther"


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    « Reply #10 on: April 24, 2012, 06:54:00 AM »
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    Just because you're a man they happen to know likes a teenager.


    AGENDA ALERT!


    That is why she was rude to my mother.  Do you think that's right?  I bring my mother to a traditional mass, to try to encourage her to be more traditional, and because the mother of those drunken girls happened to know that I liked the girl I did, she was rude to my mother.  Unbelievable!


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    « Reply #11 on: April 24, 2012, 06:55:23 AM »
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  • You'll notice there's a strong obsession among other posters with my personality on this forum.  They just can't stop attacking me, and I think it's because they're convicted.


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    « Reply #12 on: April 24, 2012, 06:57:32 AM »
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    You'll notice there's a strong obsession among other posters with my personality on this forum.  They just can't stop attacking me, and I think it's because they're convicted.


    Not convicted, but convinced. Convinced you do nothing but post non-Catholic ideas on others here, find a quote of St. Thomas to back you up, and try to convince others of the same. Yes- I'm obsessed with stopping that which is not of the Catholic mindset.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 24, 2012, 07:00:14 AM »
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    Just because you're a man they happen to know likes a teenager.


    AGENDA ALERT!


    That is why she was rude to my mother.  Do you think that's right?  I bring my mother to a traditional mass, to try to encourage her to be more traditional, and because the mother of those drunken girls happened to know that I liked the girl I did, she was rude to my mother.  Unbelievable!


    MANIPULATOR ALERT!

    Notice how the conman, Tele, has used my words to try to make it seem as if I have a flying funk of an idea of what he's talking about with his mother.

    What the heck are you talking about man?!?!?!

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    « Reply #14 on: April 24, 2012, 07:01:25 AM »
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    The cultish lobby on this forum isn't going to stop attacking you until you're banned. You've been here long enough to know that's how it works. They gather together to attack and agitate people, and push for them to either be banned or make others do something to get themselves banned. Just don't take their bait.


    YES! Or better- just go away! Oh, that's right, you've been kicked off of every other Traditional forum. Tsk Tsk Tsk.

    Geez I love being in a cult.