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  • ...for a research paper treating upon a question or problem that is of relevance or importance and entails sacred theology, scriptural exegesis, sacred liturgy, &c., but that is not polemical (or Canonical) in nature but rather pertaining to the spiritual life.

    It's something I wanna do for fun: or at least something I wanna try to do.

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    « Reply #1 on: August 11, 2013, 11:03:20 PM »
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  • Why not do a comparison of the writings of St Theresa of Avila and St John of the Cross.


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    ...for a research paper treating upon a question or problem that is of relevance or importance and entails sacred theology, scriptural exegesis, sacred liturgy, &c., but that is not polemical (or Canonical) in nature but rather pertaining to the spiritual life.

    It's something I wanna do for fun: or at least something I wanna try to do.

     :reading:


    When I have to do reports I pick a topic that is easy to get information on using the internet.

    I suggest for this you do:
    Get statistics of the decline of mass attendance since Vatican 2 AND compare them to the growth of the TLM

    Read philosophers like Saint Augustine and Saint Thomas Aquinas ( <-awesome), and portray every day living in the light of their philosophy, especially Augustine "why was I bought forth from the womb, and from whence did thou call me to be thy own" "when I was an infant I knew but to cry and call for the attention of my nurse" etc.

    Remember what the report is for and its intended audience, make it to suit the audience. Research the subject before you write.
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    « Reply #3 on: August 14, 2013, 12:54:04 PM »
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  • "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #4 on: August 14, 2013, 01:10:08 PM »
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  • If Pius XII were alive today, if he never died would he have wanted Lefebvre and Thuc to continue their lines of Apostolic Succession so that the faithful could be ministered unto.  If so doesn't that mean that the Apostolic mandate is implied?  Wouldn't any Pope want the Church to carry on in a Catholic (not NO or hidden) way?

    JURISDICTION
    Rama P. Coomaraswamy, M.D.
     
     “Necessity makes licit what is illicit.”  
    Pope Gregory I

    “It is true that one sins against the rule who adheres to the letter and leaves aside the spirit”  

    Pope Boniface XIII

     “The highest law is the salvation of  Souls”
    Pope Pius X


    A person who receives valid “orders” is imprinted with an “Invincible character” that cannot be removed from him. As a result of this he receives the power to offer to Go the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and to dispense the Sacraments and all the means of sanctification that are found in the Church. So wonderful is this “character” and so great are the “powers” that go with it that the Catechism of the Council of Trent likens them to “angels and gods.” Nevertheless, under ordinary circuмstances, priests are not free to use these powers without permission of a bishop who “incardinates” them into his diocese (his area of govrnance), provides them with their “office” (or function) and gives them “jurisdiction” or the right to ply their craft. Ultimately all jurisdiction derives from Christ and is delegated to us through the pope who is, as the theologians say, “one hierarchical person with our Lord.” The Pope, by appointing bishops, provides them with their powers of jurisdiction which in turn are dispensed to priests under their governance.

    It is clear that the priest-presidents of the post-Conciliar Church have a certain jurisdiction. They may not have the Catholic faith, but they are in union with their “bishops” who are in turn in union with John Paul II. Such a statement may seem offensive, but in so far as they accept Vatican II and the new “mass,” the statement is just and is not meant to be polemical. Traditional priests - those who say the Tridentine Mass and reject the changes in doctrine and the sacraments introduced by Vatican II and what followed thereafter are clearly in disobedience and as such have lost their jurisdiction - at least that jurisdiction which derives from the present Rome.

    Considerable confusion has been spread among traditional Catholics by individuals contending that they should not avail them selves of the services of traditional priests because said priests lack proper jurisdiction. The net result is that some formerly traditional Catholics are staying away from the Sacraments, and inducing others to act likewise. Those responsible for propagating such views are invariably weak in their knowledge of the Faith, and even weaker in their knowledge of Canon Law. It is my intention to examine this issue in the light of common sense. I shall try to do this without resorting to quotations from canon law as I do not consider myself either capable or authorized to provide definitive interpretations of said laws.  

    First of all, just what is jurisdiction? A priest and/or a bishop, when ordained/consecrated, is given both the power to confect the sacraments and the office that goes with this power. The office[1], or more literally, the authority to use this power in the name of the Church, comes under the heading of jurisdiction. In essence Jurisdiction is the AUTHORITY to teach, govern and sanctify in the name of the Church. (The Church is the Body of Christ, and hence manifests His presence -teaching, governing and sanctifying - in this world.) Whence comes this authority?

                                Scripture informs us that "all authority comes from God." It is in turn delegated to appropriate individuals who - unless they be tyrants - wield their authority in God's name or on behalf of God. This is true in the family where the Father wields authority over his wife and children[2]; in the army where the general wields authority of lesser officers and ordinary soldiers. It is also true with the Catholic Church.

     

    The Authority to teach, govern, and sanctify within the Church derives from God and no one else. However, as in other situations such as the army and the family, it is delegated in a hierarchical manner. It is invested in the Pope (or some might say, in the "papacy"), and is in turn delegated by him to the “bishops in union with him.” The bishops in turn are able to providethe priests they ordain with an office which is to say that they in turn provide the priests they govern with jurisdiction. Under ordinary circuмstances no layman has the right to teach, govern, or sanctify in the name of the Church. This does not mean that a layman cannot state what the teaching of the Church is on a certain subject. Nor does it mean that he does not have the responsibility of teaching, governing and sanctifying himself and his family. It simply means that he is not a member of the teaching hierarchy of the Church. As such - and this is important - no layman should be telling other Catholics (outside his own family) to stay away from the Sacraments. His jurisdiction does not extend beyond his own family - and even within his family he cannot tell his wife and children to sin. Should he do so, he would be abusing the authority invested in him as a father, appropriating to himself God's authority, and as such he should be labeled a tyrant.[3]

     

    Does jurisdiction exist in the post-Conciliar Church? As traditional Catholics know, the post-Conciliar Church teaches falsely. To say it has jurisdiction is to state that it has the authority to teach error in God's name. Such is of course impossible for it imputes to God an evil intention. (God may allow evil, but cannot intend it.) Hence traditional Catholics deny that the post-Conciliar Church has any real jurisdiction. Those who believe otherwise had best obey the teachings of this Church in toto which includes obeying all the post-Conciliar "popes," accepting the new "mass" and all the errors embraced by Vatican II. None of us can have our cake and eat it.

    Canon Law tells us that when a member of the hierarchy teaches heresy with pertinacity, he losses his jurisdiction. This follows logically from the fact that one cannot teach error with the authority of God. Like the Father in the family who commands his wife or children to sin, such a person is abusing authority and exercising jurisdiction in his own name.[4]

    Those who would persuade us that traditional priests lack jurisdiction must face the following dilemma: if the post-Conciliar Church lacks jurisdiction, and if the traditional priests lack jurisdiction, we are led to the conclusion that the "Gates of Hell" have prevailed. If there is no jurisdiction left, there is no Church left. To hold this is to deny the very promise of Christ. This is not an option open to Catholics.

                                    Let us consider the issue from yet another angle. Supposing a Father, being sick or having died, is no longer available in a family. Does this mean that there is no authority in the family? Certainly not. In such a circuмstance, the wife or oldest child "steps in" to replace him. Or again, let us imagine that in a just war the general dies. Would this require that all the junior officers lay down their arms and cease to fight? Hardly. Coming back to the Church, let us ask what happens to jurisdiction when a pope dies. Do bishops stop ordaining? Do priests stop giving sacraments? Certainly not. Now, those of us who believe there is no reigning pope have no problem in the lesser hierarchy carrying on their proper functions. There have been long periods of interregnum (times when there was no pope reigning) in the past - up to 18 years in one situation. Did the Church come to an end? Again, one must answer, Certainly not.[5]

     

    Consider yet another situation - that of the Greek Orthodox Clergy. From the Roman Catholic point of view, none of the orthodox have jurisdiction. How can they when they do not recognize the authority of Peter. Yet the Catholic Church has always recognized the validity of their sacraments and even allows Roman Catholics to receive the Last Rights from them when no Catholic priest is available. How is this possible when they have no jurisdiction? The answer is simple. The Church "supplies" them with jurisdiction.

                                    There have been many historical situations in which bishops and priests have wielded their (or rather, God's) authority without formal jurisdiction.  Canon law allows for this in situations where Epikeia is present. What is Epikeia? In simple terms it is a situation where the rigid application of a law would frustrate the author of the law's intention. Now the author of the law regarding jurisdiction is God, and clearly the intention of God is the salvation of souls.[6] The normal means by which this is achieved, i.e., the "vehicles of grace,"  are the teachings of the Church and the unquestionably valid sacraments. If the letter of the law frustrates God's intent, then the principle of Epikeia applies. As St. Alphonsus states, "it is a presumption, at least probable, that the legislator [God] in a certain set of circuмstances did [or, would] not wish to bind [the subject]. Where Epikeia applies, the Church always supplies the jurisdiction.[7] Would be canonists would do well to  at least read such texts as The History, Nature and Use of Epikeia in Moral Theology by Father Lawrence Riley (Catholic Univ of America, 1948) before declaring - as they implicitly do - that Epikeia cannot apply to the present circuмstances in the Church.

     

                    A final word on would be canonists that have appropriated to themselves the teaching function of the Church. This is a dangerous act, and one which they will have to answer to God for. Consider the fact that Canon Law is a series of Canons which cannot cover every circuмstance. When a case comes up requiring adjudication, as in civil law, two lawyers are assigned; one as prosecutor and the other as defender. Both have access to the same laws or canons. Both argue before a judge and/or jury as to what would be the appropriate application of the law to the given circuмstance. Both will seek out precedents where available. It is then for the judge or the jury to decide how the law is best applied. Now in the present circuмstance in the Church we have the canon law and innumerable partially trained canonists. There is no higher authority (i.e., pope) who can decide the issues with certainty.[8] These half-baked canonists in determining how we should behave on the basis of their interpretation of Canon law, are declaring themselves both lawyer, jury and judge. They are presuming to teach, to govern and to sanctify. But none of them have been invested with the triple crown. To them I say, it is all right for them to follow their own conscience (the application of God's law to specific circuмstances), but totally inappropriate for them to try and form the consciences of their fellow Catholics.[9] Fools walk where angels fear to tread.

     

                    Another issue which comes up are the limits of jurisdiction which traditional priests have. The answer is again quite simple. They have that amount of jurisdiction which allows them to function for the salvation of souls in the present circuмstances. Claims on the part of any to “universal jurisdiction” seem excessive and are beyond what is required by circuмstance. And so it is that a priest can hear confession for example, without any universal jurisdiction. The claim to universal jurisdiction can only lead to futile arguments as no one can force another to accept the limits on his functioning and jurisdiction in the present circuмstances. This of course does not mean that an individual priest cannot attach himself to a given bishop and in a sense therefore derive his jurisdiction from said bishop. But in general lay people should not involve themselves in these technical issues. They should rather avail themselves of the sacraments and thank God for their availability. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

     

     

    Nothing said herein should be taken as suggesting that Canon Law is not important, or that we can ignore it under the present circuмstances. Clearly we must try, as much as is reasonable, to fulfill the requirements of Canon Law. The laws instituted by the Church have their purpose and our submitting to them submits our will to Holy Mother Church. However, we cannot let the entire end of religion depend upon any individual’s interpretation of these laws - we must above all be reasonable. As this always poses the risk of self-will, where a question arises, the solution is to discuss a given issue with one’s priest who under the present circuмstances, represents the Church.

    Let us then thank God that he has provided us with traditional priests. Regardless of their personal foibles - and they have many - they provide us with true doctrine and unquestionably valid sacraments. To refuse their services is equivalent to refusing to allow an otherwise fully qualified  physician to see a dreadfully ill child because he is not liscensed in the state where one resides.

    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #5 on: August 14, 2013, 01:14:00 PM »
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    I suggest for this you do:
    Get statistics of the decline of mass attendance since Vatican 2 AND compare them to the growth of the TLM


    That is a good topic, but one for big treatise (a book unto itself) and for a researcher with background in statistics and evaluating that sort of data from a sociological point of view. Aside from theological and liturgical matters, he must also write about the cultural trends and socio-economic factors that contribute to the phenomena upon which he writes. The rise of liberalism, feminism, &c., is something that is multifaceted, affecting not just doctrine but also family dynamics, education, political rhetoric, &c.

    The researcher also has to have access to a wide range of sources so that he can give an unbiased account of the statistics, and he would have to limit considerably the ground he endeavors to cover. For example, the topic could be "The Faithful Departed: The Decline in Mass Attendance in the Maryland [or some other state or region] in the First Decades of the Third Millennium."

    I'm just looking for a ten-page paper to do that's fun.


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    « Reply #6 on: August 14, 2013, 01:17:19 PM »
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    If Pius XII were alive today, if he never died would he have wanted Lefebvre and Thuc to continue their lines of Apostolic Succession so that the faithful could be ministered unto.  If so doesn't that mean that the Apostolic mandate is implied?  Wouldn't any Pope want the Church to carry on in a Catholic (not NO or hidden) way?


    Um, I dunno why you posted this here.

    It's a good topic, but better people (John Lane, John Daly, &c.; and Ambrose and SJB here on CathInfo) have discussed this in depth. Again, nothing polemical. Something that is spiritual in orientation.

    The link you provided before is excellent: it's a site everyone should visit.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 14, 2013, 03:28:30 PM »
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    ...for a research paper treating upon a question or problem that is of relevance or importance and entails sacred theology, scriptural exegesis, sacred liturgy, &c., but that is not polemical (or Canonical) in nature but rather pertaining to the spiritual life.

    It's something I wanna do for fun: or at least something I wanna try to do.

     :reading:


    Pick a topic that you have no interest in whatsoever.  Otherwise, your own passions will mislead you.


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    I'm just looking for a ten-page paper to do that's fun.


    Some suggestions: Mea maxima culpa: The origins and development of the Confiteor-prayer in Western Liturgy

    Eiusdem Virginis Sponsi - Devotion to St. Joseph and the public prayer of the Church - a study from Benedict XIV. to Benedict XVI.

    Ekklesia on Thabor - The vertical and horizontal Catholicity of the economy of salvation prefigured in the Transfiguration of Our Lord Jesus Christ


    I got more ideas, but I have to leave! You know how to reach me if you like more of these.

    - P.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 15, 2013, 06:35:35 AM »
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  • More ideas, but the 10-pages-and-fun-limit is a tough one, so you might discard most of them:

    Pater et Pontifex, a religious rules Rome - a short sketch of Pope Gregory XVI. reign

    A small flock: The schism of the Petite Église and SSPX compared

    Advent and Ascension - the schema of O-antiphons explained

    Christ's human nature in the spiritual doctrine of Thérèse of Lisieux

    The mantle of Elias and the teaching office of the Church

    Anathema sit! or: Ex cathedra! The decline of the University's teaching powers after the Jansenist controversies

    The unfaithful bride - the motif of adultery against God in the Old Testament


    Edit: Ah, I just read about the "spiritual" part as a necessary condition, sorry...

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    « Reply #10 on: August 15, 2013, 11:01:19 AM »
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    I'm just looking for a ten-page paper to do that's fun.


    You are on a unicorn hunt. I have fifty bucks that says you know that already.

    Nothing substantial of an argumentative or evidentiary or even explanatory nature can be said in the 2,500 words of a standard ten-page paper. (I bet you know that, too.) That limit barely gives you space to state the terms of the investigation and the sources consulted. Nor is such a paper ever going to be describable as fun, unless you are someone whose definition of fun is, shall we say, not fit for voicing in a familial context.

    Nowhere have you disclosed the nature of your target audience. Why? Surely you have one in mind, even if it is simply and solely you yourself! Nor is there a word about your motive for asking. Do you regularly solicit advice from others about how you should amuse yourself? (You did say "I'm just looking for … fun," didn't you?)

    Most curious of all is that you seem to be quite conversant with the faddish, foolish, self-applauding jargon of academics and soi-disant scholars. You certainly show an uncomfortably cosy familiarity with their preferred style of titling journal articles and conference papers, a style summarizable as "Painfully Hip-Sounding but Uninformative Title: Tedious, Argumentative Subtitle** Whose at Least Marginally Explanatory Character Indicates the Pimple-on-a-Flea's-Butt Nature of My Microtopic." (One of your responders is even cosier with this jargon, alas.)

    In short, what's your game? Decent, thoughtful commenters, taking your query seriously, have spent precious time extending themselves to assist you. In return, you offer "thanks, but no thanks."

    It's well past time for you to fill in the blanks—or put an end to this clowning around.

    **I keep typing the word subtitle here, but it doesn't appear on screen. Odd.


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    **I keep typing the word subtitle here, but it doesn't appear on screen. Odd.


    Let's try fooling the software: "s u b t i t l e." Ah!

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    I'm just looking for a ten-page paper to do that's fun.


    You are on a unicorn hunt. I have fifty bucks that says you know that already.

    Nothing substantial of an argumentative or evidentiary or even explanatory nature can be said in the 2,500 words of a standard ten-page paper. (I bet you know that, too.) That limit barely gives you space to state the terms of the investigation and the sources consulted. Nor is such a paper ever going to be describable as fun, unless you are someone whose definition of fun is, shall we say, not fit for voicing in a familial context.

    Nowhere have you disclosed the nature of your target audience. Why? Surely you have one in mind, even if it is simply and solely you yourself! Nor is there a word about your motive for asking. Do you regularly solicit advice from others about how you should amuse yourself? (You did say "I'm just looking for … fun," didn't you?)

    Most curious of all is that you seem to be quite conversant with the faddish, foolish, self-applauding jargon of academics and soi-disant scholars. You certainly show an uncomfortably cosy familiarity with their preferred style of titling journal articles and conference papers, a style summarizable as "Painfully Hip-Sounding but Uninformative Title: Tedious, Argumentative Subtitle** Whose at Least Marginally Explanatory Character Indicates the Pimple-on-a-Flea's-Butt Nature of My Microtopic." (One of your responders is even cosier with this jargon, alas.)

    In short, what's your game? Decent, thoughtful commenters, taking your query seriously, have spent precious time extending themselves to assist you. In return, you offer "thanks, but no thanks."

    It's well past time for you to fill in the blanks—or put an end to this clowning around.

    **I keep typing the word subtitle here, but it doesn't appear on screen. Odd.


    Wow!

    You sound like an unpleasant gal. I hope you find a good husband to tame you.

    Best of luck to you!

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    « Reply #13 on: August 16, 2013, 01:09:29 PM »
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    Wow!

    You sound like an unpleasant gal. I hope you find a good husband to tame you.


    Wow! You're a dope! I'm not a gal of any sort!

    Perhaps it's you that needs a husband, whether to tame or be tamed by. He might keep you from starting more really dumb threads.