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Jobs for traditional Catholics?
« on: May 05, 2012, 04:45:16 PM »
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  • What's your best suggestion for jobs for traditional Catholics?


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    Jobs for traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #1 on: May 05, 2012, 05:06:36 PM »
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  • Anything that anyone else would do, outside of like the obvious (for instance:  drug dealer).  I think we have a "directed" economy and the folks who "direct" it have modern values and so, pretty much every industry is full of "ick."  What can you do.  Just maintain your interior life.  



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    « Reply #2 on: May 05, 2012, 06:11:15 PM »
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  • Pretty much what the OP said. There's almost no job nowadays in which you aren't "compromised" somehow; that's just the nature of the society we live in. Sad, but true.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 05, 2012, 06:20:14 PM »
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  • I don't know; I believe there are a lot of degrees between "Traditional Catholic book salesman" where your job is practically an apostolate/vocation, and "Abortionist" where you've totally sold out, Judas-style.

    One piece of advice I have for young men: Don't follow the Baby Boomers. Even if you know a Boomer whose life "worked out" -- he did it 30 or 40 years earlier than you are trying to. The world is a different place now, in every possible way you could look at it.

    For example, working for "the man". I would say: establish yourself doing something concrete that you can point to and say, "I did that". And if you are doing something so down-to-earth and visible, why not make a portfolio and go into business for yourself?

    It helps to choose a career that can't be outsourced to China. If your job is easy, at-home telecommuting, prepare to lose your job to another telecommuter in India that will work for half the pay.

    But plumbers don't have to worry about getting outsourced. Neither do carpenters, doctors, dentists, etc.

    I think the future is going to be more and more demanding of all of us.

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    Jobs for traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #4 on: May 05, 2012, 08:52:00 PM »
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  • Contractor. That way YOU decide who you work for. I contracted for Dell as a field technician, it was great because I got to travel a lot and meet people, and I was basically my own boss. Landscaping and gardening were jobs I always enjoyed when younger because I got to be out in God's beautiful nature. Easy to start your own landscaping business, too. Don't even have to have a mower- most older people have a mower but can't often get out to mow, do the work for them and use their equipment- you both win! Freelance writing for Catholic magazines and other publications. Make and sell rosaries. I make rosaries (though I refuse to sell them, rather I just give them away) and it's easy to learn. For about $15 at Our Lady's Rosary Makers (olrm[dot]org) I can get enough parts and wire to make a dozen nice rosaries. If I sold them they could easily bring $10 each- that's a good profit. I could get the priest's permission to sell them after mass in the parish hall when people are getting coffee and donuts. None of those jobs will make you rich, really, but they can all be very fulfilling. I'll try to think of more.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 05, 2012, 09:59:52 PM »
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  • I work in the dental insurance industry but would refuse to work in the medical insurance industry because that would entail paying for abortions.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 05, 2012, 11:26:05 PM »
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  • That brings up another point -- the old days of "I go to work 8 hours M-F, then I have evenings and weekends off to do personal things and spend time with my family" are long gone.

    Nowadays you either have to work a part-time job in addition, or you work a series of small jobs (many of them in the category of Self Employment) to add up to "a living".

    Yes, many people still have M-F jobs, but they are getting more and more rare. It's getting to the point where that isn't the norm anymore.

    I do this myself. I have no less than 4 "jobs" -- and all my programming clients count as one job.
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    I don't know; I believe there are a lot of degrees between "Traditional Catholic book salesman" where your job is practically an apostolate/vocation, and "Abortionist" where you've totally sold out, Judas-style.

    One piece of advice I have for young men: Don't follow the Baby Boomers. Even if you know a Boomer whose life "worked out" -- he did it 30 or 40 years earlier than you are trying to. The world is a different place now, in every possible way you could look at it.

    For example, working for "the man". I would say: establish yourself doing something concrete that you can point to and say, "I did that". And if you are doing something so down-to-earth and visible, why not make a portfolio and go into business for yourself?

    It helps to choose a career that can't be outsourced to China. If your job is easy, at-home telecommuting, prepare to lose your job to another telecommuter in India that will work for half the pay.

    But plumbers don't have to worry about getting outsourced. Neither do carpenters, doctors, dentists, etc.

    I think the future is going to be more and more demanding of all of us.



    Many American engineers and doctors have been replaced with H1-B visa.
    And don't even think about landscaping.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 05, 2012, 11:46:35 PM »
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  • With import visas, you're losing your job to someone who's entered the country to work.

    With outsourcing, you're competing against every employee worldwide.

    I'd rather compete on the market with a few native & foreign employees, all of which can do the physical work at hand, than do something like Telemarketing or factory work which can easily be moved overseas with the flip of a switch.

    I realize that having a skill is not a guarantee of a job. But if you can do something everyone needs (like in the case of a plumber, mechanic, handyman, etc.) you're probably not going to starve. You could go door-to-door offering your services if you had to.
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    « Reply #9 on: May 06, 2012, 01:12:09 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew

    It helps to choose a career that can't be outsourced to China. If your job is easy, at-home telecommuting, prepare to lose your job to another telecommuter in India that will work for half the pay.


    Much less than half the pay Matthew! My son works here in India for an outsourced British company. He is in the Accounts department and holds a British Accountancy qualification he obtained via distance learning, He earns $250 per month. He would perhaps earn much more than that had he obtained an outsourced job in cities like Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore etc. But with the qualification he has he got virtually no offer.

    While these outsourced jobs are now big business in India with salaries relatively higher than those offered by purely local employers, they have caused the cost of living for the vast majority of people to go through the roof. For instance, we pay $1.25 for a liter of petrol.

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    « Reply #10 on: May 06, 2012, 01:29:35 AM »
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  • I don't support this American "Empire" thing, but I'd say there's a lot of opportunity in The Military and I think, the government will continue to spend a lot of money in that area, for decades to come.  Lot of opportunities for women too.  I think they're striving for 50%, in that regard and that's where a lot of police will come from in the future.  It would be "nice" if that group of people had good morals and supported the catholic church.  So, work and save to avoid debt and have a decent house and car, get married and have lots of kids and then go back to work once they're raised, to save for your retirement and help your kids.  At least that seems to be the way people are doing it.  Not surprising that leads to a lot of affairs and divorce though.  It's scary.  





     



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    « Reply #11 on: May 06, 2012, 08:21:35 AM »
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  • There are a few options  one could consider. But Matt is right- there are members on this very forum who have gone through the 'tried and true' baby boomer method of: graduate high school, get a 4 year degree, have a simple life; only its not so true anymore.

    I think the medical profession is an opportunity to explore. If you can get into a physician's assistant's program at a local community college, you will have the opportunity to make more money than an RN, work anywhere in the country, be in higher demand than RN's, and have a future.

    Being a mechanic is another interesting opportunity. However, with the way the industry has gone, you're going to have to bank on working for a dealership; the days of independent shops are coming to a close. The cars that are being made today are so technically advanced, and auto manufacturers are keeping all their technology 'secrets' to themselves; and the market for brakes and oil changes is already flooded. But if you can build you way up as a tech, you may have a future. Going into diesel is an excellent option. Working on construction equipment, trains, transport refrigeration will be necessary and is in higher demand than being an auto tech.

    I struggle with these thoughts as well, and I'm very well employed. I make a very decent salary (my wife gets to stay home, I own my home, my kids do not go without needs and get most of their wants), I don't see my career being an option for the next 30 years, not to mention I loath corporate America and its fixation on, money money money, numbers, numbers, numbers, more more more. It is by the grace of Our Lord that I have the job I do. A friend told me, wisely, that He gave it to me because I am not my own anymore, but have a family. But what is one to do in a position like mine? I am not able to go to school considering my schedule, community colleges are overflowing, a private school can cost upwards of 120k... I leave my life in His hands, but one must also be prudent, especially when there are mouths which depend on you.

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    « Reply #12 on: May 07, 2012, 12:16:34 AM »
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  • Unfortunately, the medical profession seems to make unreasonable demands in areas of math and science that seem to be of little use other than weeding out the students who can't jump through each progressivley more abstract and complicated loop of Calculus.

    Perhaps I am simply ignorant, but I don't see any practical application of advanced math in the every day occupation of an RN or physician's assistant.

    The topic of this thread is quite close to my heart, being a young adult that will be done with college, even should I go on to graduate school, in the next decade.

    I'm going to be working on a "useless" degree - music. With maybe a double major in Sociology and a minor in French thrown in the mix.

    What am I going to do with the degree? I don't really know, but it simply isn't feasible to change the degree - especially since I'm going to be attending university funded (by over 50%) by the music school.

    Post- Bachelor's degree, I don't see much of a future other than odd jobs here and there that I will have probably already begun working during my undergraduate years. Teaching piano can bring in a few hundred extra monthly - and it's not terribly demanding, except time-wise. Being a church organist/pianist can pay reasonably - it's not uncommon for a graduate organ student to make $40,000 + annually with playing the organ for Saturday/Sunday services - throw in the occasional choir rehearsal. Again, not very demanding. I guess when all else fails, I can sit in front of shopping centers and play the violin for a few dollars!

    What about the Sociology degree? What type of employment could I seek with it?

    I think that after college, I could probably support myself provided I live modestly - which isn't a problem for me. I don't have any reservations working thankless jobs or blending into the backdrop of the mindless workforce, although I'll probably have to buff up a bit before manual labor becomes an option.

    The real question is how will I find money to either 1) enter a religious house after to college for recollection and discernment or 2) after leaving the religious house, if applicable, how to find money to support a family.

    As eager I would be, starting a family when one is working various odd jobs at the mercy of Protestant music ministry directors, etc seems totally irresponsible.

    I've considered both RN and physician's assistanct, but the math is the barrier. I've also considered becoming a mortician. Morbid, yes.

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    « Reply #13 on: May 07, 2012, 10:20:37 AM »
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  • You don't need much math for an RN. College Algebra and Statistics at most.
    The organic chem is probably the most challenging course and not all schools require it. Certainly for a BSN but not for an ASN or Diploma.

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    « Reply #14 on: May 07, 2012, 01:37:08 PM »
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  • Grow your own food, make your own clothes and produce your own ethanol.  Then you can work at home!   :laugh1: