Author Topic: Jobs for traditional Catholics? (Read 12147 times)

s2srea · « **Reply #90 on:** May 10, 2012, 02:19:31 PM »

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(especially you s2s, with your vile slander against anyone who speaks out against feminism or who criticizes Bishop Fellay, you liar).

Hey- what is your problem? Did I do something to you? Are you offended because I disagreed with you on this thread because you were giving unrealistic advice? Based on what you have told us, you have no or very limited real world experience in the work force, have never started a business, are very young, yet you seem to think you are right on this matter. Its not a straw-man, despite your efforts to make it seem so. Being able to speak on an issue like this, it is usefull to have real world experience. Yet, it seems you have not done any of the advice you've given, and are offended that I ask if that is the case.

And you implied I was somehow "jealous" of you because you thought of the idea of starting a business and I didn't, when the fact is in my life-time:I have already started two businesses, one successful, one recently not, Have seen the evils of the military first hand, have been a firefighter in both federal and municipal departments, have worked professionally in universities and also engage in high-end sales. I do not say this to brag, only to show I have nothing to be jealous of. If this isn't a reflection of your pride, I do not know what is.

And on top of all of that, how did you get from that that I am somehow a feminist? Saying so does not make it so. Prove it. Please provide some proof, if you are going to make insinuations like that.

And I speak out against people who criticize Bishop Fellay? Prove it. You have my posting history at your disposal, but unfortunately you will find the opposite of what you are saying here- and I am puzzled at why you would say such a thing. I have only ever criticized the actions I've seen made public; though before I criticize any action or make an important decision which my family relies on, I ensure it is verifiable; even if it seems to 'fit the big picture'. Sure, I take it for what its worth, but until I hear it from someone official, I am free to not give it much credence, am I not free to do so?I am an ardent supporter of Bishop Wiliamson, and where ever he goes in the future, I too will follow. And for criticizing +Fellay, or my lack of it, this is also incorrect. Please do yourself a favor and read my posting history.

I find what is happening to you truly unfortunate and a sad sight, but given that you are without the sacraments and, as Wallflower rightly stated, given the nature of the person whose lead you are imitating, its not surprising. I will earnestly pray for you; I do not think you are a bad person, only mis-influenced and, , given your condemnations of most everyone being a 'feminist' or determining who is a "Traditional Catholic" or not, infected with a truly sad case of spiritual pride. I too make mistakes, and am sorry for them. I hope you can accept my apology.

wallflower · « **Reply #91 on:** May 10, 2012, 02:36:50 PM »

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You still can't answer a simple question with a straightforward answer. Man you are a good little student. Emulating the wrong teacher unfortunately. And that's exactly why forums can't let certain things slide for long periods of time. Young impressionable people are influenced.

Yes, this forum shouldn't let your liberal ideas slide for very long. I will be happy to quote the instances where you said such things:

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I don't believe women should work outside the home either, however, I am aware of reality and the fact that sometimes she needs to for many reasons beyond feminism, reasons beyond her control, reasons that come about because we do not yet reside in heaven where everything is perfect. Sometimes women don't marry and must find another pursuit. Sometimes husbands die. Sometimes husbands are vicious and run off. Sometimes there are financial straights. Sometimes there are no children. etc.. I can see and admit to all of those circuмstances without behaving as though they oppose the ideal through sheer feminism. There's the ideal and then there's the reality of a fallen nature and fallen world. We ought to be able to discuss both.

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nevertheless I've seen some families do well with it. Enlist at 20, put in a 20 year career; schooling paid; good chance at being debt-free; retire at 40 -- young enough to start a whole new career, self-employed, with whatever trade or profession you trained for... that's an option worth considering.

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Mrs Z has already tried the one tactic and admitted it didn't work, it is time for her to try the other and show her disapproval through silence.

(The above was from a long post of yours that mentioned God's Will but I decided to quote that part rather than the whole thing.) How convenient :wink:

So, it is clear that you express very liberal ideas.

Thank you for posting these, albeit some are incomplete and taken out of context. Still, honest minds can see for themselves that my views are nowhere near what you're trying to make them out to be nor are they in opposition to Catholic teaching or tradition. (As an aside --- you should have cut the word "nevertheless" out of the third quote because that clues people in to the fact that it was preceeded by a caution or negative view, thus negating your efforts to make it seem like I am fully positive towards the military.)

It would have been better for you to engage in discussion and clarify what you meant by sales rather than brushing that off, saying nevermind, and choosing to go off topic in a sadly predictable and unrelated rant about feminism. (Which, btw, you still haven't explained how stating the FACT that many solid trad families have done well in the military is feminist, but that's ok. We're not holding our breath.)

However I understand why you felt the need to go off topic. It did serve to distract from the original question which was how successful you've been at following your own job advice. It seems that might have been too uncomfortable a question for you to answer. Despite that I hope you are someday able to be self-employed. It really can be a great blessing. But not everyone gets that opportunity and even if they eventually do, sometimes they need to be otherwise employed in the meantime. There's no harm in discussing all aspects whether they are ideal or not.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #92 on:** May 10, 2012, 02:48:15 PM »

"My opinion is what the Church teaches. Therefore, if you disagree with me, you're a heretic!"

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #93 on:** May 10, 2012, 04:01:57 PM »

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Hey- what is your problem? Did I do something to you? Are you offended because I disagreed with you on this thread because you were giving unrealistic advice?

Your reply to my post last night was very arrogant on both this thread and the AQ thread. I'm not offended when people disagree with me, I am offended either when I am made fun of for stating what the Church teaches, or when someone slanders me. You have done both. I realize we all make mistakes, I admit I have made plenty and could start a thread listing tons of them if I wanted. But I make an effort to apologise to those I have wronged. (I apologised to you last night on the AQ thread, by the way, for returning insults at you, but my apology was deleted.)

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Based on what you have told us, you have no or very limited real world experience in the work force, have never started a business, are very young, yet you seem to think you are right on this matter. Its not a straw-man, despite your efforts to make it seem so. Being able to speak on an issue like this, it is usefull to have real world experience. Yet, it seems you have not done any of the advice you've given, and are offended that I ask if that is the case.

It's not about my experience. I am stating what many, many Traditional Catholics also believe regarding self-employment. And yes, I was offended at the arrogance of your question. You could have just asked me and left it that that. But no, you were smug about it.

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And you implied I was somehow "jealous" of you because you thought of the idea of starting a business and I didn't,

Absurd. I never implied you were jealous, nor did the thought of you being jealous enter my mind. I would imagine your outburst was due to the fact that I cut down being a salesman. I'm sorry if that offended you, I didn't mean to say all salespeople were in bad jobs.

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I do not say this to brag, only to show I have nothing to be jealous of. If this isn't a reflection of your pride, I do not know what is.

Again, I never accused you of jealousy.

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And on top of all of that, how did you get from that that I am somehow a feminist? Saying so does not make it so. Prove it. Please provide some proof, if you are going to make insinuations like that.

You have made similar remarks about women working outside the home as wallflower has, not to mention your attitiude towards me and three other users on the "women going to college" thread. Again, you apologised for calling us "fools" but never retracted your apparent belief that we were wrong despite providing sources to back up our claims. I'll be glad to quote your statements in another post, I'd do it in this post but I don't want this post to become too long.

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And I speak out against people who criticize Bishop Fellay? Prove it. You have my posting history at your disposal, but unfortunately you will find the opposite of what you are saying here- and I am puzzled at why you would say such a thing.

Yes, you have. Last night you said to me:

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Wait and see is very practical advice. Someone who has turned into an immature and unskilled overly emotional psudo-polemist wouldn't know it though. You've really changed in the past few months. The pride which pours forth from you is very apparent. I pray you can remove yourself from it.

I merely commended Serpahim for starting a thread defending Br. Joseph for his comments against Bishop Fellay, which were much deserved on his behalf (just read his immature letter in response to the other three Bishops). Then you responded with that slanderous junk, after I told you brainglitch was not behaving maturely.

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I find what is happening to you truly unfortunate and a sad sight, but given that you are without the sacraments and, as Wallflower rightly stated, given the nature of the person whose lead you are imitating, its not surprising.

I am not "imitating" Telesphorus. I have stated before that my views on this issue have been EXACTLY the same long before I sympathized with Tele. I do sympathize with him given the treatment he has received for his truthful comments on feminism, just as I would sympathize with anyone who was slandered for stating such truths.

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given your condemnations of most everyone being a 'feminist' or determining who is a "Traditional Catholic" or not, infected with a truly sad case of spiritual pride. I too make mistakes, and am sorry for them. I hope you can accept my apology.

That was not necessarily an apology. It is my duty as a Traditional Catholic to forgive people even if they have wronged me, but that does not mean I cannot and will not call out people who are wrong on certain matters. It's not pride on my part. I speak the truth because I post on Trad forums to help save souls (as well as my own).

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #94 on:** May 10, 2012, 04:07:25 PM »

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Which, btw, you still haven't explained how stating the FACT that many solid trad families have done well in the military is feminist, but that's ok. We're not holding our breath.)

It doesn't matter if they "do well". Wrong is wrong, regardless of the circuмstances.

Anyway, I thank you for your overall kind response, as you at least seem to be able to discuss these matters maturely.

God Bless.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #95 on:** May 10, 2012, 04:46:06 PM »

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And you implied I was somehow "jealous" of you because you thought of the idea of starting a business and I didn't,

Absurd. I never implied you were jealous.

You're right. I interpreted a sentence of yours incorrectly. I went back and realized where my mistake was from.

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And on top of all of that, how did you get from that that I am somehow a feminist? Saying so does not make it so. Prove it. Please provide some proof, if you are going to make insinuations like that.

You have made similar remarks about women working outside the home as wallflower has, not to mention your attitiude towards me and three other users on the "women going to college" thread. Again, you apologised for calling us "fools" but never retracted your apparent belief that we were wrong despite providing sources to back up our claims. I'll be glad to quote your statements in another post, I'd do it in this post but I don't want this post to become too long.

You were wrong, that's why. Why would I retract something where I am not wrong? And why are you so intent on finding faults with others here little minion? Oh, the answer is in the question... right?

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And I speak out against people who criticize Bishop Fellay? Prove it. You have my posting history at your disposal, but unfortunately you will find the opposite of what you are saying here- and I am puzzled at why you would say such a thing.
Yes, you have. Last night you said to me:

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Wait and see is very practical advice. Someone who has turned into an immature and unskilled overly emotional psudo-polemist wouldn't know it though. You've really changed in the past few months. The pride which pours forth from you is very apparent. I pray you can remove yourself from it.

I merely commended Serpahim for starting a thread defending Br. Joseph for his comments against Bishop Fellay, which were much deserved on his behalf (just read his immature letter in response to the other three Bishops). Then you responded with that slanderous junk, after I told you brainglitch was not behaving maturely.

This was slanderous how?

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That was not necessarily an apology.

Ya, sometimes I apologize for nothing. Its a bad habit. Disregard it.

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It is my duty as a Traditional Catholic to forgive people even if they have wronged me, but that does not mean I cannot and will not call out people who are wrong on certain matters.

You have not been wronged. You've just a overly-sensitive person.

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It's not pride on my part. I speak the truth because I post on Trad forums to help save souls (as well as my own).

People who speak truth do not point it out as often as you do.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #96 on:** May 10, 2012, 04:48:41 PM »

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The wife should love to remain at home, unless compelled by necessity to go out; and she should never presume to leave home without her husband's consent.

Only in very grave circuмstances then, women are permitted to work. At the end of the day, the council of one's father confessor should be sought.

-s2srea

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #97 on:** May 10, 2012, 05:57:58 PM »

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You were wrong, that's why. Why would I retract something where I am not wrong?

No, we all backed ourselves up. You have not.

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This was slanderous how?

You're not being very honest with yourself if you don't think that was slanderous.

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You have not been wronged. You've just a overly-sensitive person.

And what's wrong with being sensitive?

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People who speak truth do not point it out as often as you do.

How do you know this?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #98 on:** May 10, 2012, 05:59:38 PM »

Wallflower, I am sorry for exploding at you. I was mainly angry at s2s, not so much you. I should have controlled my temper.

wallflower · « **Reply #99 on:** May 11, 2012, 12:03:03 PM »

Apology accepted SS and I'm sorry for my snarkiness. It's hard for me reign in at times. Although the temper and the snarkiness I believe are the least of our issues. If we could manage not to jump to conclusions or rely on default answers we would probably do better.

wallflower · « **Reply #100 on:** May 11, 2012, 01:53:09 PM »

Haha, just realized I said "reign", like I'm a queen. (Athough DH did call me that today) But I meant rein.

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