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Is this kind of prayer off limits?
« on: April 06, 2013, 03:30:27 PM »
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  • In a circuмstance of terrible addiction, is it a bad idea to say a prayer asking God that, in His mercy, He may take someone's life after a good confession?


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    Is this kind of prayer off limits?
    « Reply #1 on: April 06, 2013, 03:31:58 PM »
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  • I don't see anything wrong with that prayer. Who wouldn't want to die right after a good confession.


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    « Reply #2 on: April 06, 2013, 04:15:59 PM »
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  • Are you seriously asking if it's OK to pray for someone to die?

    Better pray for their addiction to be healed.  Nothing is impossible with God's good grace.

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    Is this kind of prayer off limits?
    « Reply #3 on: April 06, 2013, 04:23:06 PM »
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    Are you seriously asking if it's OK to pray for someone to die?

    Better pray for their addiction to be healed.  Nothing is impossible with God's good grace.


    No! Not someone else. I mean, the person's prayer concerns herself.

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    Is this kind of prayer off limits?
    « Reply #4 on: April 06, 2013, 04:31:56 PM »
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  • But even if it were for someone else, I don't think there is a problem with a prayer like the one from St. Rita:

    From the book Saint Rita of Cascia: Saint of the Impossible
    by Fr. Joseph Sicardo, OSA
    TAN Books

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    THE DEATH of her husband, Ferdinando, made St. Rita a widow, but she was not left alone. God had blessed her, as we have already observed, with two handsome sons who were now grown up, and on these she centered her utmost care and attention. She daily implored God, with the most fervent prayers, to preserve their innocence and aid her to guide them in the path of His holy law in which she had instructed them. Giovanni and Paulo, the children of St. Rita, became what their Saintly mother molded them. They grew up God-loving and God-fearing children. They loved their good mother with all the fullness of their boyish hearts, and no boys could be more respectful or obedient to a mother than were Giovanni and Paulo.

    As they advanced in years, St. Rita, with the quick perception of a mother, noticed that a change was taking place in the characters of her sons and that sometimes, not unlike their departed father, they appeared to be sullen, morose and irritable. Especially did she observe a notable change in Giovanni, who was scarcely sixteen years of age. Young as they were, and even in spite of the religious training they had received from their mother, Giovanni and Paulo had become somewhat imbued with that false idea of honor and justice which made it incuмbent on the nearest of kin to execute vengeance on the slayer of a relative. This criminal and unauthorized right of revenge was much in vogue in Italy at the time St. Rita lived, and was called: La Vendetta.

    Though St. Rita had observed that from time to time her sons made remarks relative to the murder of their father, it never entered her mind that they had any thought of avenging his death. One day, however, from a conversation she overheard between her two sons she learned, to her great surprise and sorrow, that they were inclined to revenge the assassination of their father.

    Like the good and saintly mother she was, St. Rita determined to destroy and stifle so heinous and criminal a desire. Summoning Giovanni and Paulo to her side, she told them what she had heard and begged them, with tears and supplications, to erase from their minds all desire of revenge, and to forget that their father had been αssαssιnαtҽd. She also placed before their eyes the example of Christ, who asked pardon for those who had crucified Him and for whom He suffered to give them eternal life. By means of this beautiful example, she sincerely hoped she would be able to persuade her sons to pardon the murderers of their father. She furthermore reminded them that though they had lost their earthly father, they would gain a heavenly one if they would pardon from their hearts. And finally she represented to them the terrible sin the homicide commits, and plainly told them that they themselves would be murderers if they avenged the death of their father.

    In this manner did St. Rita try to keep and guide her sons in the path of the fear of God. After some time, as we may read in the Decree of her Canonization, when she saw her sons persist in their desire for vengeance, she fled to the crucifix and related the whole affair to Christ, fervently beseeching Him either to change the desires of her sons, or no longer spare their lives. God heard the prayer of St. Rita. Both her sons died within a year, well-prepared to go before the judgment seat of Almighty God.

    O glorious St. Rita! The fame of your sacrifice will never die. The pages of history make mention of no sacrifice more generous than your sacrifice. It is true Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son Isaac, but he was commanded by Almighty God to do so. Your sacrifice was an exact copy of the sacrifice which the Eternal Father made of His only Son on the Cross; for you, not satisfied with pardoning the murderers of your husband, even saved their lives by offering to God the sacrifice of the lives of your two beloved sons, Giovanni and Paulo.


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    Is this kind of prayer off limits?
    « Reply #5 on: April 06, 2013, 04:59:05 PM »
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  • After confession our mindset should be that we would rather die than sin again. There's nothing wrong with a prayer like that unless they lack the intention of amendment.

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    Is this kind of prayer off limits?
    « Reply #6 on: April 06, 2013, 05:17:02 PM »
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  • IIRC, a blessed or venerable prayed that his daughter would die at a young age right after confession because he didn't think she was strong enough to withstand the temptations of the world.  I don't remember if this prayer was answered, but I think it was.

    Why not pray for both?  
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Is this kind of prayer off limits?
    « Reply #7 on: April 06, 2013, 05:19:14 PM »
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  • Our mindset after confession should be that we would rather die than sin again.  It's lucky that God loves us more than we do ourselves, though, else none of us would be alive for the following week's confession.

    St Rita's prayer was for two unrepentant sons resolved on murder.  A last resort, having begged and pleaded with her sons to change course.  Even then, she left the choice to God.

    No addiction is impossible to overcome and before anyone gets to the point of praying for their own death (or anyone else's) begging God to heal the addiction or at least to reveal its purpose in that person's life would be the way to go.

    Speaking to a priest about the problem would maybe be a better idea than looking for answers on a message board.