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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on September 29, 2025, 02:48:07 PM
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No, skiing isn't adultery. Adultery is adultery.
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Are pictures of Montini's catamite sodomy? No… AND… "Where there's smoke, there's fire."
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When a man sends letters and goes on ski trips with a married woman that is adultery.
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When a man sends letters and goes on ski trips with a married woman that is adultery.
And that accounts for Wojtyla the Worst's obsession with his Theology of the Genitals.
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If it's not your adultery it's none of your business. Trying to dig up a dead person's imagined sins from 40 years ago, AND scandalizing others by trying to get them involved in your waste of time is just placing black marks on your soul anyone's that participates with your trying to reveal the sins of another.
Read the 8th commandment.
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If it's not your adultery it's none of your business. Trying to dig up a dead person's imagined sins from 40 years ago, AND scandalizing others by trying to get them involved in your waste of time is just placing black marks on your soul anyone's that participates with your trying to reveal the sins of another.
Read the 8th commandment.
I disagree. He was a public figure that people think was a good person, this sort of post shows his true character. It's charity, to help warn other of their enemies.
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If it's not your adultery it's none of your business. Trying to dig up a dead person's imagined sins from 40 years ago, AND scandalizing others by trying to get them involved in your waste of time is just placing black marks on your soul anyone's that participates with your trying to reveal the sins of another.
Read the 8th commandment.
False. Enemies of the faith, such as was Wojtyla, must be exposed at every turn. Nobody owed Luther any consideration for his "good name", when he would use it and was using it to destroy souls, and therefore he had no right to any good name, and any who knew anything that would have discredited him had a positive obligation to reveal it. Wojtyla did extreme damage to the faith PRECISELY due to his false reputation for holiness, for "sanctity", the santo subito. I know and know of so many "conservatives" among the Conciliars who have imbibed the heresies of Wojtyla precisely due to some misguided devotion to his perceived sanctity. If the devil could fake the virtues of a Padre Pio to get people to swallow heresy, and then God permitted it, he would do so in a second.
Wojtyla was a wrecker of the faith and needs to be exposed. Others, in lesser positions, less so ... provided they do not pose a harm to other but are merely committing private sin, etc.
Even the Novus Ordo investigation process was set back a bit by the discovery of Wojtyla's ... "love letters" to a married woman. Now, while simply being photographed with and spending time with a married woman does not constitute adultery in the strict sense, there are degrees of adultery, as per Our Lord, where one can commit adultery in the mind, and even if the attachment was not physical or sɛҳuąƖ or even romantic, even an emotional relationship constitutes adultery at least in a remote way. We're not judging whether he committed mortal sin, as that's in the internal forum and known only to God. But we can certainly undermine his false reputation for sanctity that has been leveraged to lead untold millions into grave error and heresy.
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And that accounts for Wojtyla the Worst's obsession with his Theology of the Genitals.
Well, at least Wojtyla was into women, unlike his glorious predecessor Montini.
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When a man sends letters and goes on ski trips with a married woman that is adultery.
Yes, it's a species of adultery, albeit more remote from the actual physical act ... as per Our Lord about how one can commit adultery even in the mind.
There are some pictures of Wojtyla on what appeared to be almost a "family picnic", not only with this same young lady, with Wojtyla in his shorts, but also accompanied by a young child, about toddler age, who bore a remarkable resemblance to Wojtyla. I was at a church picnic where a Traditional priest was showing the picture and commenting on it.
Wojtyla had been widely suspected of being a Commie collaborator, a "Pax" priest, even in his day, as while other truly anti-Communist prelates (Wyszyński, Mindszenty, Slipyj, Stepinac) were imprisoned, tortured, and otherwise persecuted, Wojtyla was permitted to go on world lecture tours speaking about the new theology and phenomenology. Not only that, but Wojtyla was hand-picked by the Commie official in Poland to be a bishop. In Commie Poland, they forced the Church to submit candidates for episcopal consecration to the Commie official and have them approved, and Wojtyla appeared on no list, and so the official kept vetoing everyone on every list submitted, until he finally said, quite bluntly, "I will only have Wojtyla." Of course, Weigel, who wrote about this, claimed that "oh, boy did they regret that, as they had no idea what they were in store for." Utterly laughable. They knew EXACTLY what they had in Wojtyla, a Jєωιѕн infiltrator and Commie agent whom they could count on to further the destruction (as they saw it) of the Catholic Church, their once-intransigent enemy.
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Cardinal Siri .. died in May 1989
Berlin Wall fell ... November 1989
it's almost as if with the Church infiltrated and the legitimate Catholic pope deceased, posing no more threat to the Anti-Popes, it was "Mission Accomplished" for Communism, the sole purpose of which had been to undermine and (to the extent possible) destroy the Catholic Church.
Well, they're going to be in for something of a surprise, when God restores the True Catholic Papacy which they decided would no longer be possible after the lengthy usurpation ... just like R&R claim would be the case if SV.
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False. Enemies of the faith, such as was Wojtyla, must be exposed at every turn. Nobody owed Luther any consideration for his "good name", when he would use it and was using it to destroy souls, and therefore he had no right to any good name, and any who knew anything that would have discredited him had a positive obligation to reveal it. Wojtyla did extreme damage to the faith PRECISELY due to his false reputation for holiness, for "sanctity", the santo subito. I know and know of so many "conservatives" among the Conciliars who have imbibed the heresies of Wojtyla precisely due to some misguided devotion to his perceived sanctity. If the devil could fake the virtues of a Padre Pio to get people to swallow heresy, and then God permitted it, he would do so in a second.
Wojtyla was a wrecker of the faith and needs to be exposed. Others, in lesser positions, less so ... provided they do not pose a harm to other but are merely committing private sin, etc.
Even the Novus Ordo investigation process was set back a bit by the discovery of Wojtyla's ... "love letters" to a married woman. Now, while simply being photographed with and spending time with a married woman does not constitute adultery in the strict sense, there are degrees of adultery, as per Our Lord, where one can commit adultery in the mind, and even if the attachment was not physical or sɛҳuąƖ or even romantic, even an emotional relationship constitutes adultery at least in a remote way. We're not judging whether he committed mortal sin, as that's in the internal forum and known only to God. But we can certainly undermine his false reputation for sanctity that has been leveraged to lead untold millions into grave error and heresy.
THIS.
-Matthew
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God created women in a way that would attract men.
There are so many ways He did this, with their beauty and movements
He did this to encourage marriage to produce children.
Thus it is human for men to admire the looks of women.
I now read of adultery of the mind.
Can looking at a beautiful woman, created in a manner that attracts men,
just as God intended, now be classed as adultery.
The last thing a faithful Catholic wants is to commit adultery
when admiring a beautiful woman, yet it seems like a trap by doing so.
I can understand the sin of deliberately wanting to commit adultery,
but can this apply when seeing a woman you would like to marry for example.
Could someone please tell me how to do this natural thing
in a way that is not a sin.
The last thing a practicing Catholic man wants is to die and be accused of adultery of the mind
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I disagree. He was a public figure that people think was a good person, this sort of post shows his true character. It's charity, to help warn other of their enemies.
Right. Whoever is supporting the idea of "being silent" about public sins, from public figures, is committing the sin of "consenting" to the sin of another.
You can criticize public sins and the fact that these pictures have been public since back in the 80s, means that a condemnation is not only allowed, but necessary. Scandal must be condemned, not ignored by "silence". God often allows private sins to become public, PRECISELY so the sinner will face the sin, which had been secret. Catholics are supposed to impose social pressure and condemn evil, which (should) help the sinner to convert.
That's why, if you are are "silent" in the face of sin, you are complicit as well.
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The last thing a faithful Catholic wants is to commit adultery
when admiring a beautiful woman, yet it seems like a trap by doing so.
I can understand the sin of deliberately wanting to commit adultery,
but can this apply when seeing a woman you would like to marry for example.
Could someone please tell me how to do this natural thing
in a way that is not a sin.
The last thing a practicing Catholic man wants is to die and be accused of adultery of the mind
Just looking at a woman is NOT the same as lusting after a woman. Nor is looking at the beauty of a woman (imprudent though it be) the same thing as hanging out with a married woman, getting close to her mentally and emotionally, forming bonds with her, etc. Like JP2 did with the married woman in the picture. That is NOT appropriate and is sinful for a priest, or a married man, being the sin of "Placing oneself in an unnecessary occasion of sin". If the potential sin is mortal, then putting yourself in an occasion where that sin could easily be committed is ITSELF a mortal sin!
That's not my opinion, that is Catholic moral theology.
It's black & white. Not confusing at all. Don't befuddle your own mind.
Think about it with your brain, if your brain still thinks rationally: "I don't want to sleep with her, I just want to drink a bunch of booze, which will likely lead to me sleeping with her." See how that doesn't work? If your will chooses A, and A leads to B or C, then you actually will all THREE of those things. By necessity, you have to "will" the consequences of all the actions you choose. Whether you like it or not. Let's just say even if you don't "want" the consequences, you are nevertheless liable (responsible) for any consequences. That's how God's justice works.
Matthew
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And that accounts for Wojtyla the Worst's obsession with his Theology of the Genitals.
I like this "honest" version of his famous book, "Theology of the Body" because it's so much more brutally accurate and true.
I love "honest" this and that. Like the "honest trailers" channel on Youtube, giving brutally honest trailers of various movies. The truth is always delicious to my mind.
I'm just madly in love with the truth, I guess.
I guess that's why I like satire as well. You're introducing "way more" or "too much" truth into common things that normally do NOT get such an honest treatment. I love "funny because it's true".
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Ay carramba!
That doesn't look like the behavior of a saint to me. Unless that was a layman and that's his wife and child. Then it would be fine.
But if that's supposed to be a priest -- is that his child?
She is 100% in his personal space, absolutely sitting as close to him as a (non-Catholic, worldly) girlfriend, wife, etc.
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I like this "honest" version of his famous book, "Theology of the Body" because it's so much more brutally accurate and true.
I love "honest" this and that. Like the "honest trailers" channel on Youtube, giving brutally honest trailers of various movies. The truth is always delicious to my mind.
I'm just madly in love with the truth, I guess.
I guess that's why I like satire as well. You're introducing "way more" or "too much" truth into common things that normally do NOT get such an honest treatment. I love "funny because it's true".
Are you well?
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Are you well?
Yes, very well thank you. Why do you ask?
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If it's not your adultery it's none of your business. Trying to dig up a dead person's imagined sins from 40 years ago, AND scandalizing others by trying to get them involved in your waste of time is just placing black marks on your soul anyone's that participates with your trying to reveal the sins of another.
Read the 8th commandment.
It is our business. Look at the crisis in the church. You and So called Catholics like you are to blame for the crisis in the church.
watching or reading porn is adultery. looking at anyone with lust who isn’t your spouse is adultery. Read your Bible. Thou shalt not commit adultery. He committed adultery and blew money during a time when most people could not afford airline tickets or vacations.
having co ed bathrooms at any church or store is perverted.
This deceased person was the pope who was to lead by example. His sins heaped to destroy the Catholic Church. No need to dig up anything because it is all over the internet. It wasn’t 40 years ago when they rushed him to be a saint.
your black soul is of lukewarmness and indifference. You can attack me online but don’t have the guts to call out the upcoming synod at the Vatican pushing women priests and sodomy. Very cowardly to condemn me for speaking the truth.
John Paul should have removed the sodomites but he let them destroy children and the Catholic Church. children were murdered, beaten and raped. Did they ever find the young girl that went missing from the Vatican during his papacy??
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Ay carramba!
That doesn't look like the behavior of a saint to me. Unless that was a layman and that's his wife and child. Then it would be fine.
But if that's supposed to be a priest -- is that his child?
She is 100% in his personal space, absolutely sitting as close to him as a (non-Catholic, worldly) girlfriend, wife, etc.
And there are many priests who have fathered children.
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If it's not your adultery it's none of your business. Trying to dig up a dead person's imagined sins from 40 years ago, AND scandalizing others by trying to get them involved in your waste of time is just placing black marks on your soul anyone's that participates with your trying to reveal the sins of another.
Read the 8th commandment.
Amen.
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Amen.
:facepalm: You are also a lukewarm Catholic. Many will be going to hell for trying to justify adultery of a pope
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Many Catholics don’t even know what adultery is. Many are divorced and remarried.
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And there are many priests who have fathered children.
And that is a grave sin, a sacrilege.
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This deceased person was the pope who was to lead by example. His sins heaped to destroy the Catholic Church.
And the whole "40 years ago" stuff is complete crap too, since Wojtyla's errors CONTINUE to wreck the Church and destroy souls to this very day. Similarly, it's perfeclty fair game to detail the perversities of Martin Luther, every vile, filthy, scandalous detail regarding his moral depravity, since it DISCREDITS his errors and might dissuade souls from imbibing them to their destruction. This isn't about Father Joe Blow in some rural parish in Wisconsin ... but about a great destroyer of the faith, and he needs to be exposed just as Martin Luther needed to be exposed. Some people are so dense, and then they virtue signal, sanctimoniously posturing as somehow pious in a "who am I to judge" stance?
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Scrape your minds out of the gutter. Did it ever occur to anyone she’s his niece?
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Scrape your minds out of the gutter. Did it ever occur to anyone she’s his niece?
Wake up. You are naive and possibly dull. Just look at that picture. That is not a scene of a platonic relationship.
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There's a place in life, maybe even a necessity at times, for looking at the sins of others. The trick is, though, not turning the practice into a way to escape introspection; one's higher obligation to fix yourself.
9 (https://drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=28&ch=17&l=9-#x)The heart is perverse above all things, and unsearchable, who can know it?
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Scrape your minds out of the gutter. Did it ever occur to anyone she’s his niece?
According to the BBC in 2016, she was a married woman that he was in a confusing but technically platonic relationship
It also seems that she made a further declaration of her feelings for him while he was there, because the letter he wrote to her afterwards suggests he was struggling to make sense of the relationship in Christian terms. He tells her she is a gift from God, and goes on: "If I did not have this conviction, some moral certainty of Grace, and of acting in obedience to it, I would not dare act like this."
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35552997#:~:text=Pope%20John%20Paul%20II%20was,rather%20sparse%2Dlooking%20living%20quarters.
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This photo and JP2's "friendship" with various women has been public knowledge since the 70s. This is nothing new.
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If it's not your adultery it's none of your business.
Agreed, as long as the parties involved aren't trying to get your approval (tactic or actual) of their actions.
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Agreed, as long as the parties involved aren't trying to get your approval (tactic or actual) of their actions.
One of the parties was accepted by the Catholic world as the POPE for crying out loud. As a Catholic, who has to decide what to do about this situation, it's very much my business.
Get my approval? He wanted my assent to his Papacy. I'd say that qualifies.
The Pope is not a private man. He is by nature a public figure.
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Many Poles have a similar physiognomy, and John Paul had a classical Polish "look", high forehead, smallish eyes, slightly protruding lower lip. My own son, who is half-Polish through his mother, had the characteristic forehead and lip in his youth, indeed, when he would pout when he got irritated, I'd tell him "put away that Polish passport" (i.e., the lip). His features have matured more in late adolescence, such that it is not as noticeable, but when he was a baby and toddler, he was unmistakably Polish.
My point here, the fact that the child in the picture superficially resembles John Paul doesn't mean a thing. There are kids who look like that boy all over Poland. You could go in any grade-school classroom over there and find half a dozen boys who look just like that.
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One of the parties was accepted by the Catholic world as the POPE for crying out loud. As a Catholic, who has to decide what to do about this situation, it's very much my business.
Get my approval? He wanted my assent to his Papacy. I'd say that qualifies.
The Pope is not a private man. He is by nature a public figure.
Man, it's exhausting to discuss things with some of you...
Adultery is no one's business unless you're one of the parties involved or one of the parties is trying to get your approval of their adultery.
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If it's not your adultery it's none of your business. Trying to dig up a dead person's imagined sins from 40 years ago, AND scandalizing others by trying to get them involved in your waste of time is just placing black marks on your soul anyone's that participates with your trying to reveal the sins of another.
Read the 8th commandment.
Agree.
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I disagree. He was a public figure that people think was a good person, this sort of post shows his true character. It's charity, to help warn other of their enemies.
An innocuous photo proves zero
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An innocuous photo proves zero
You think it's innocent because it wasn't photo proof of adultery in flagrante? A photo showing a man associating with a women he shouldn't be associating with because of his state of life (married, priest, etc.) is already scandalous. It doesn't matter if they "did the deed" or not. Merely keeping private company with a woman who is not his wife is already a scandal. The fact that he was the Pope multiplies the scandal by 10000.
That couple looks like they are on a date, period. Imagine if your husband were photographed with another woman, in the exact same poses, doing the same activities, with the same facial expressions, as seen in that picture. How would you feel?
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I didn’t know who the man was until I read a little bit. Who is the woman? I don’t know. JPII is already judged. Why dredge up some decades old photos? What’s the purpose?
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Just looking at a woman is NOT the same as lusting after a woman.
That's not my opinion, that is Catholic moral theology.
It's black & white. Not confusing at all. Don't befuddle your own mind.
Matthew
God created women in a way that would attract men.
There are so many ways He did this, with their beauty and movements
He did this to encourage marriage to produce children.
Thus it is human for men to admire the looks of women.
I now read of adultery of the mind.
Can looking at a beautiful woman, created in a manner that attracts men,
just as God intended, now be classed as adultery.
The last thing a faithful Catholic wants is to commit adultery
when admiring a beautiful woman, yet it seems like a trap by doing so.
I can understand the sin of deliberately wanting to commit adultery,
but can this apply when seeing a woman you would like to marry for example.
Could someone please tell me how to do this natural thing
in a way that is not a sin.
The last thing a practicing Catholic man wants is to die and be accused of adultery of the mind
I could have written the above reasoning and question.
God created women in a manner that is attractive to men so that marriage would follow.
And that He achieved. I, now an old widower,
have feared that my attraction to such beauty could be judged as lust.
It is not intended by to be lust as a Catholic I know that to be a mortal sin.
Yet like my friend above I fear the 'trap' involved.
One cannot stop admiring feminine beauty.
Thank you Matthew for your answer.
Very comforting.