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Re: Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church? Saints say No
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2017, 02:14:12 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous on June 05, 2017, 06:16:31 PM
No salvation outside the church doesnt mean some salvation outside the church.
as written, your comment makes no sense
But I kinda get it
some are accidentally saved or what have you. I do believe that those who undergo what the protesters call "born again" are capable of understanding Christ's Words.. and b/c of that, they will eventually be led into the Catholic Church. If they resist the Church and stay out of it, that shows they are not listening to the Holy Spirit and so... long stint in Purgatory at best...
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Re: Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church? Saints say No
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2017, 02:16:06 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous on June 05, 2017, 06:34:38 PM
THERE IS NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. Sorry to yell, but it is the plain truth.

Now, the Catholic Church also says that CONVERSION to the true faith can exist where mankind cannot discern it, but only God can. This is what is called "baptism of the desire" and it does NOT mean that a mere human "desire" for baptism suffices. It means that there can be a baptism by the grace of God, for select souls that truly have the RARE perfect love and contrition....which is the essence of conversion to the ONE true faith.
I got a lot out of this and it makes sense. But I think what needs to be added is that it is VERY rare and very difficult for someone to have or consistently act on this baptism of desire stuff
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Re: Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church? Saints say No
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2017, 02:17:13 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous on June 06, 2017, 11:41:43 AM
ALL saints -- it's defined Catholic dogma.
some saints, meaning the ones who speak on the topic at all. Not all saints have spoken on that topic, at least that can be presumed. Some saints never wrote anything... 
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Re: Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church? Saints say No
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2017, 02:20:40 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous on June 06, 2017, 12:21:09 PM

4. The pronouncements indicate that, by divine decree, those only will be saved who are members of the Church when they die. This membership must be formal, real, explicit, and, in those of the (mental) age of reason, deliberate. There is no such thing as "potential" membership in the Church, or "implicit" membership, or "quasi-membership," or "invisible membership," or anything of the kind. Neither can those who are catechumens, that is, those who are preparing to enter the Church, be considered members.
 
now just wait a cotton pickin minute here!

That is illogical, that those who are planning to enter the Church are damned b/c they are not actually there yet. They have every intention of joining the Church, so I am 99% sure God does not hold it against them that the Church has not, as it were, gotten around to giving them membership yet.
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Re: Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church? Saints say No
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2017, 02:23:21 PM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on June 06, 2017, 12:27:04 PM
Rather than saying that there is no salvation outside of the Church, I prefer to post this dogmatic decree. Anyone that thinks that someone can be saved by their "good" works or intentions should read this carefully. I ask, what good works could even come close to shedding ones blood for Christ? And yet, those pagans, Jews, heretics and schismatics, who shed their blood for Christ can ever be partakers of eternal life.
I disagree. If they shed their blood for JEsus they are NOT Jews, pagans, etc...
dying for Jesus would seem to be the ultimate proof of belief in and adherence to the Words of Christ... I disagree until shown a legitimate reason not to
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