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Author Topic: Is the Resistance growing any chapels, or padding Mariott bottom line?  (Read 3440 times)

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I think this criticism is mostly directed at Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer's organization.

What is the point of collecting the money of the most fervent and faithful Catholics, and filling the hands of every Hyatt and Mariott from Washington to Maine, as well as padding the bottom line of SouthWest, American, United and other airlines?

How are things growing from year to year? Are there any permanent locations yet, besides Boston, KY and perhaps a couple other previously established chapels? Has Fr. Pfeiffer actually created any new permanent chapels, however humble? Just wondering.

It could be argued that no growth will occur as long as a group doesn't have a permanent location to call their own, however humble. Nothing wrong with cozy.


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Is the Resistance growing any chapels, or padding Mariott bottom line?
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2015, 09:32:59 AM »
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    Are there any permanent locations yet, besides Boston, KY and perhaps a couple other previously established chapels? Has Fr. Pfeiffer actually created any new permanent chapels, however humble? Just wondering.

    It could be argued that no growth will occur as long as a group doesn't have a permanent location to call their own, however humble. Nothing wrong with cozy.


    Just to clarify, by "permanent locations", do you mean physical buildings, or regular, weekly Mass?  


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    Is the Resistance growing any chapels, or padding Mariott bottom line?
    « Reply #2 on: April 25, 2015, 11:29:20 AM »
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  • Frankly, at this point, I'd be relieved to see either.

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    Is the Resistance growing any chapels, or padding Mariott bottom line?
    « Reply #3 on: April 25, 2015, 11:39:12 AM »
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  • I spoke with a priest who had experience as an SSPX Prior, and it was his reasoned opinion that chapels without a permanent location never grow. Even missions that have existed for 15 or more years stagnate.

    A critical part of family life is a secure house to live in. A critical part of parish life is some place the congregation can call their own. It need not be a cathedral.

    A mission without the Blessed Sacrament reserved is like a home with both parents working. It's missing something essential that should normally be there.

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    Is the Resistance growing any chapels, or padding Mariott bottom line?
    « Reply #4 on: April 25, 2015, 11:42:50 AM »
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  • As for the weekly Mass item, that is also important. If you have Mass once every 6 weeks, where do you go for the other 5 weeks? If you have an option (sedevacantists, SSPX chapel, independent, Indult, etc.) you're going to be very tempted to just round it up to going there all 6 weeks. At least after a few months, when the newness and excitement of the Fr. Pfeiffer visits wears off.

    A once-per-6-week habit is impossible to form. Habits can't have that long a period. 6 weeks is long enough to forget about it. You're basically starting over each time.


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    Is the Resistance growing any chapels, or padding Mariott bottom line?
    « Reply #5 on: April 25, 2015, 11:47:20 AM »
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  • How much have the various Pfeiffer chapels saved up towards buying a building, however small? Are there any plans, or has there been any progress at all? That is my question.

    I suppose Father's strategy is to put everything into the seminary for now, because the new priests he forms are the only priests that are going to follow him (with a few exceptions). Maybe a more logical path would be to step down from his position as Metropolitan or Grand Hierarch of the United States of America?

    Just thinking out loud here.

    I understand that the SSPX started out in various buildings, including some rentals and other humble abodes. But they certainly grew out of it as soon as the money could be saved up.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 25, 2015, 12:05:46 PM »
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    ...If you have Mass once every 6 weeks, where do you go for the other 5 weeks? …
    A once-per-6-week habit is impossible to form. Habits can't have that long a period. 6 weeks ...


    Especially when it's not really that regularly "once-per-six-weeks".  If, for example, you have to be out of town when that 1/6 Sunday comes around, then it could be more like 12+ weeks before another Mass.  If your trip was flexible, then you could plan around a Mass if you knew in advance  But when you don't, if you make your plans, then you might miss that one window of opportunity.  As far as I know, there is no regular schedule.  Unless something's changed, you might not know about a Mass until a few days before the Boston Ky priest comes.  

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    « Reply #7 on: April 25, 2015, 12:53:24 PM »
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  • Good point. Even the SSPX had missions with Mass once or twice a month, but it was the same Sundays every month (1st Sunday, or 1st & 3rd Sundays, etc.) so people could plan. Everything was organized.

    So it's actually much worse than a once-every-6-weeks schedule. It's erratic, which is absolutely, positively inimical to growing any kind of group. The first requirement for growth is stability.

    And as much as I hate to hand this information on a silver platter to the enemies of the Resistance, word on the street is that many of the Boston, KY-serviced locations aren't doing so well. They aren't growing, and they aren't even holding their numbers.

    But the problem isn't with the Resistance, it's with the Boston, KY operation, in particular the head of that operation.


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    Is the Resistance growing any chapels, or padding Mariott bottom line?
    « Reply #8 on: April 27, 2015, 07:59:17 AM »
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    But the problem isn't with the Resistance, it's with the Boston, KY operation, in particular the head of that operation.


    Would that be P the M?  I can assure you that his involvement is why our family steers clear and indicates to me the lack of prudence and bad judgement by the clergy who still permit it.

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    Is the Resistance growing any chapels, or padding Mariott bottom line?
    « Reply #9 on: April 27, 2015, 11:59:34 AM »
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    I think this criticism is mostly directed at Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer's organization.

    What is the point of collecting the money of the most fervent and faithful Catholics, and filling the hands of every Hyatt and Mariott from Washington to Maine, as well as padding the bottom line of SouthWest, American, United and other airlines?

    How are things growing from year to year? Are there any permanent locations yet, besides Boston, KY and perhaps a couple other previously established chapels? Has Fr. Pfeiffer actually created any new permanent chapels, however humble? Just wondering.

    It could be argued that no growth will occur as long as a group doesn't have a permanent location to call their own, however humble. Nothing wrong with cozy.


    The issue is indeed multifaceted. Fr. Pfeiffer wants to go as many places as possible, because remember he has told everyone to red light every SSPX chapel. So everyone needs the Mass. Hotel rooms are OK for the beginning stages of starting a group. The question is what does Fr. Pfeiffer plan to do.

    As for permanent locations, there are these:
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Holy-Mass-in-Sanford-Florida
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Holy-Week-at-new-independent-chapel-in-Texas-2

    Those are just the two I could easily find mentioned on the forum. There might be others. But whose idea these chapels were is another story. I don't think Fr. Pfeiffer is going to reject a permanent location if someone wants to create one.

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    Is the Resistance growing any chapels, or padding Mariott bottom line?
    « Reply #10 on: April 27, 2015, 02:29:22 PM »
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  • Which is worse:

    *Choosing to give a modest sum of money to a hotel to rent a space on an as-needed basis, perhaps once every six weeks

    *Becoming locked in to making monthly payments for thirty years that will equal tens of thousands of dollars (or more) in interest to a bank for a mortgage loan for a space that will be used perhaps once every six weeks.


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    Is the Resistance growing any chapels, or padding Mariott bottom line?
    « Reply #11 on: April 27, 2015, 04:10:04 PM »
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  • Resistance mass such as run by Boston Ky has become logistically impossible for this family.  Between getting notice on Friday night and mass time early on Sunday morning we have to call off husband's Saturday work, make nursing arrangements in our home for grandpa, pack food  supplies for the day, hire a van and driver.  Too little notice, too costly.  

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    Is the Resistance growing any chapels, or padding Mariott bottom line?
    « Reply #12 on: April 27, 2015, 11:18:08 PM »
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    Which is worse:

    *Choosing to give a modest sum of money to a hotel to rent a space on an as-needed basis, perhaps once every six weeks

    *Becoming locked in to making monthly payments for thirty years that will equal tens of thousands of dollars (or more) in interest to a bank for a mortgage loan for a space that will be used perhaps once every six weeks.

    You don't just have to only have mass in a chapel. You can pray the rosary, You can make the stations of the cross. You can do other things also.

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    Is the Resistance growing any chapels, or padding Mariott bottom line?
    « Reply #13 on: May 02, 2015, 11:26:45 AM »
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  • Having a permanent chapel location IS important.

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    Is the Resistance growing any chapels, or padding Mariott bottom line?
    « Reply #14 on: May 02, 2015, 12:38:55 PM »
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  • Is this as much a problem for the Resistance in Europe?