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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2024, 06:26:37 AM »
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  • In the confessional the priest admonishes you and stating you must attend every Sunday NewMass at your local diocesan Church, while your confessional priest and his monastery has walled itself off and resisted their local diocesan bishop. Double standard here? Should I follow and obey my confessional priest?
    This makes no sense whatsoever. Are you certain that you did not somehow get his directions perfectly backwards?

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    « Reply #16 on: June 10, 2024, 06:36:39 AM »
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  • This makes no sense whatsoever. Are you certain that you did not somehow get his directions perfectly backwards?
    What does "Are you certain that you did not somehow get his directions perfectly backwards" mean?


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    « Reply #17 on: June 10, 2024, 06:42:57 AM »
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  • I find it very hard to believe that any true independent priest would tell someone to go to the NO ever let alone every Sunday.  It makes me wonder what the real status is of this Abbey. I wonder if things have changed.


    masslat.pdf (traditio.com)
    Lux Vera USA Directory
    Imagine how I felt in the confessional while this priest told me this! Shocked, stunned.

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    « Reply #18 on: June 10, 2024, 06:46:48 AM »
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  • Imagine how I felt in the confessional while this priest told me this! Shocked, stunned.
    One more thing...at the end of confession the priest absolved me of my sins and stated he would allow me to take communion.
    I did not.

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    « Reply #19 on: June 10, 2024, 06:53:09 AM »
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  • What does "Are you certain that you did not somehow get his directions perfectly backwards" mean?
    It means are you certain that the priest admonished you stating you must NOT attend every Sunday NewMass at your local diocesan Church?


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    « Reply #20 on: June 10, 2024, 06:57:50 AM »
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  • It means are you certain that the priest admonished you stating you must NOT attend every Sunday NewMass at your local diocesan Church?
    I am very certain of that!

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    « Reply #21 on: June 10, 2024, 07:03:22 AM »
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  • I am very certain of that!
    Then it makes no sense, you can't listen that priest's admonition.


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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #22 on: June 10, 2024, 07:11:15 AM »
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  • Imagine how I felt in the confessional while this priest told me this! Shocked, stunned.
    Yeah, I would feel the same way.  Then report it to both directories.  Hopefully, others will do the same going forward. If this location is not listed in these directories, then that will keep other Catholics from experiencing the same.

    That is if this is not a troll post.



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    « Reply #23 on: June 10, 2024, 07:44:45 AM »
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  • Yeah, I would feel the same way.  Then report it to both directories.  Hopefully, others will do the same going forward. If this location is not listed in these directories, then that will keep other Catholics from experiencing the same.

    That is if this is not a troll post.
    This is not a troll post. I take this very seriously and it’s disturbing.

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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #24 on: June 10, 2024, 08:49:31 AM »
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  • Earlier in the week when I called to set up a confession and asking if he was canonical he advised me they were not. Also stating "We don't revolt, we resist."
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    Did he explain what he meant by this distinction? I doubt they are sedevacantist, as sedevacantists don't typically use this type of terminology, and I've never heard of any sedevacantist allowing anyone to go to the Novus Ordo, much less commanding them to do so.

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    Thanks for the clarification. He also stated their priests all have been properly ordained.

    Did he give any further clarification on that, such as by telling you who ordained them, what their lineage was, or which rite of ordination was used?

    In any case, to the OP, your instinct is correct. Don't do what he told you to do, and never go to this place again.

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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #25 on: June 10, 2024, 08:52:28 AM »
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  • You might also report this to Traditio (and Lux Vera)
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    I second this.


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    « Reply #26 on: June 10, 2024, 09:09:34 AM »
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    Did he explain what he meant by this distinction? I doubt they are sedevacantist, as sedevacantists don't typically use this type of terminology, and I've never heard of any sedevacantist allowing anyone to go to the Novus Ordo, much less commanding them to do so.

    Did he give any further clarification on that, such as by telling you who ordained them, what their lineage was, or which rite of ordination was used?

    In any case, to the OP, your instinct is correct. Don't do what he told you to do, and never go to this place again.
    When asked if they were in communion with the bishop he stated No adding all our priests were properly ordained. Then I came back stating "Its' good to hear you are not in communion with the diocesan bishop to which he replied  "We don't revolt. We resist". With that statement the decision was made to take two hour journey.

    We did not speak or discuss on who ordained them, lineage, or which rite. I felt that would come at a later time once we had met.



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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #27 on: June 10, 2024, 09:18:11 AM »
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  • When asked if they were in communion with the bishop he stated No adding all our priests were properly ordained. Then I came back stating "Its' good to hear you are not in communion with the diocesan bishop to which he replied  "We don't revolt. We resist". With that statement the decision was made to take two hour journey.

    We did not speak or discuss on who ordained them, lineage, or which rite. I felt that would come at a later time once we had met.
    Well, use this episode as a learning experience. Next time you know to discuss these things in greater detail , and have him clarify things you might not fully understand.

     If it were me, a priest admonishing me in confession that I must attend the new mass every Sunday means he is not a priest I ever want to go to for confession again - or anything else for that matter - whether he is supposed to be a trad priest or not.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #28 on: June 10, 2024, 10:52:00 AM »
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  • There were two dozen people who attended the "Mass" and all were dressed properly, Men in suits, long sleeved shirts, ties. Women with veils, hats, dresses, etc. Everyone and I mean everyone had a Roman Missal but were not using them. The priest at the altar saying the Mass in Latin could not be heard. He was not wearing a microphone. When it came to the Epistle or Gospel no one knew. We all sat. Finally at the end of the Mass the priest came in front of the Congregation, everyone then stood, and he read the Epistle and Gospel in English. No homily was given. He then advised the Congregation they may socialize and get to know one another in the front of the church where there are some benches. He then left and went back to the Sanctuary. That was that.

    I did not stay. I wanted out of there never to go back.

    I now have two new Roman Missals, one from Baronius Press and The New Roman Missal by Father Lasance which I will never use again for there are no Traditional Roman Catholic Church's near me. The Abbey was my last hope. I will sell the two missals for half what I paid for them.

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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #29 on: June 10, 2024, 11:09:55 AM »
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    I now have two new Roman Missals, one from Baronius Press and The New Roman Missal by Father Lasance which I will never use again for there are no Traditional Roman Catholic Church's near me. The Abbey was my last hope. I will sell the two missals for half what I paid for them.

    Honestly you don't sound like you're under 30.

    Nevertheless, your whining, drama, and defeatism would be more expected coming from a 25 year old.

    So you're giving up on the Tridentine Mass. Where does the giving up stop? Are you giving up on pleasing God? your soul? Eternal salvation?

    God commanded us to worship Him *as He desires to be worshipped*. Not just "however we feel like it". Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity, founded a Church and a religion to worship God the way HE wants to be worshipped.

    Vatican II tried to destroy that Faith, that Church, and that worship by making the Catholic Church protestant. We can't approve of that, or participate in that, without offending God. So that leaves TRADITIONAL CATHOLICISM -- doing our utmost best to find a Tridentine Mass to A) please and worship God and B) stay in the State of Grace and C) ultimately to save our souls.

    You sound like you're in the last 1/3 of your life -- you might want to be careful about throwing out God's lifeline of salvation -- Mass and the sacraments.

    How do the Boomers say it? You need to man up, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, etc. Can't you move? Travel? There are Tridentine Masses all over the USA -- which are nothing like the Indult abominations you have described.

    If you're alive, there SHOULD be hope. Does your wife rule you and your household? That's unfortunate. But even if so, couldn't you do something? Maybe just tell her "we're moving, and that's it". What's the worst that could happen? Would she really divorce you? Aren't you retired and your kids grown anyhow? At all costs, you really need to move somewhere where you could attend the Tridentine Mass, the true Mass, the Mass of All Time, at least occasionally.

    And if your wife is NOT like that, great! That was a worst-case scenario. So it's just about your job then? Mere money? Pieces of green paper? What is that compared to your eternal soul? I know, I know -- those green pieces of paper mean food, housing, comfort, security, power, pleasure -- again I ask, what are those things compared to the ETERNAL DESTINY of your soul? Your soul is going to live forever whether you like it or not. Of critical importance is HOW YOU WILL SPEND THAT ETERNITY.

    I will tell you this: if you "make it to the finish line", staying married to a dominating woman who refuses to let you move where the Tridentine Mass is offered, it will be NO CONSOLATION for you in hell if you lose your soul. There will be no "bragging rights" that "At least I never got divorced". The devils won't "tip their hat" or give you any "props" or respect for the simple fact of having managed to avoid divorce. What I'm saying is, the ONLY thing that matters is your soul's salvation. Not your wife's happiness, not your convenience, not your earthly happiness, and not what your friends/family/kids think of you.

    If you're still here on earth, still alive, you should have SOME agency or choice about what you do, where you go, what your priorities are. YOU decide your priorities. YOU have Free Will, and will be judged by God accordingly.

    I would humbly suggest, along with all the saints, that you live your life as if GOD ALONE MATTERS. Put God first, and you won't ever regret it.
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