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Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2024, 11:14:20 AM »
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    I second this.
    I've noticed the OP keeps ignoring it too.

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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #31 on: June 10, 2024, 11:22:27 AM »
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  • I now have two new Roman Missals, one from Baronius Press and The New Roman Missal by Father Lasance which I will never use again for there are no Traditional Roman Catholic Church's near me. The Abbey was my last hope. I will sell the two missals for half what I paid for them.
    Does that mean "within 2 hours"?  Sometimes the trip needs to be longer.  We travel 5+ hours one way to get to mass.  So, we don't go as frequently, but we go. I see there is a mass in Carrollton (Fr Ahern) and Vienna VA (Fr Ringrose).


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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #32 on: June 10, 2024, 11:35:10 AM »
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    I second this.
    I am not ignoring this! I hear you!
    Much earlier this morning I sent an email to Traditio.com and 2 minutes ago an email went off to LuxVera.Org

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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #33 on: June 10, 2024, 11:36:25 AM »
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  • I am not ignoring this! I hear you!
    Much earlier this morning I sent an email to Traditio.com and 2 minutes ago an email went off to LuxVera.Org
    OK GOOD!

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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #34 on: June 10, 2024, 11:40:06 AM »
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  • Does that mean "within 2 hours"?  Sometimes the trip needs to be longer.  We travel 5+ hours one way to get to mass.  So, we don't go as frequently, but we go. I see there is a mass in Carrollton (Fr Ahern) and Vienna VA (Fr Ringrose).
    Vienna, VA is a 5 hour drive and Carrollton is 6 hours. Too far to drive. But not for you.


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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #35 on: June 10, 2024, 11:56:19 AM »
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  • Honestly you don't sound like you're under 30.

    Nevertheless, your whining, drama, and defeatism would be more expected coming from a 25 year old.

    So you're giving up on the Tridentine Mass. Where does the giving up stop? Are you giving up on pleasing God? your soul? Eternal salvation?

    God commanded us to worship Him *as He desires to be worshipped*. Not just "however we feel like it". Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity, founded a Church and a religion to worship God the way HE wants to be worshipped.

    Vatican II tried to destroy that Faith, that Church, and that worship by making the Catholic Church protestant. We can't approve of that, or participate in that, without offending God. So that leaves TRADITIONAL CATHOLICISM -- doing our utmost best to find a Tridentine Mass to A) please and worship God and B) stay in the State of Grace and C) ultimately to save our souls.

    You sound like you're in the last 1/3 of your life -- you might want to be careful about throwing out God's lifeline of salvation -- Mass and the sacraments.

    How do the Boomers say it? You need to man up, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, etc. Can't you move? Travel? There are Tridentine Masses all over the USA -- which are nothing like the Indult abominations you have described.

    If you're alive, there SHOULD be hope. Does your wife rule you and your household? That's unfortunate. But even if so, couldn't you do something? Maybe just tell her "we're moving, and that's it". What's the worst that could happen? Would she really divorce you? Aren't you retired and your kids grown anyhow? At all costs, you really need to move somewhere where you could attend the Tridentine Mass, the true Mass, the Mass of All Time, at least occasionally.

    And if your wife is NOT like that, great! That was a worst-case scenario. So it's just about your job then? Mere money? Pieces of green paper? What is that compared to your eternal soul? I know, I know -- those green pieces of paper mean food, housing, comfort, security, power, pleasure -- again I ask, what are those things compared to the ETERNAL DESTINY of your soul? Your soul is going to live forever whether you like it or not. Of critical importance is HOW YOU WILL SPEND THAT ETERNITY.

    I will tell you this: if you "make it to the finish line", staying married to a dominating woman who refuses to let you move where the Tridentine Mass is offered, it will be NO CONSOLATION for you in hell if you lose your soul. There will be no "bragging rights" that "At least I never got divorced". The devils won't "tip their hat" or give you any "props" or respect for the simple fact of having managed to avoid divorce. What I'm saying is, the ONLY thing that matters is your soul's salvation. Not your wife's happiness, not your convenience, not your earthly happiness, and not what your friends/family/kids think of you.

    If you're still here on earth, still alive, you should have SOME agency or choice about what you do, where you go, what your priorities are. YOU decide your priorities. YOU have Free Will, and will be judged by God accordingly.

    I would humbly suggest, along with all the saints, that you live your life as if GOD ALONE MATTERS. Put God first, and you won't ever regret it.
    You make many assumptions and judgements. e.g. such as my wife. You should be ashamed of yourself but that is not going to happen. My wife just came out of a five year cancer battle and during chemo her colon burst spewing bacteria throughout her bloodstream. But to you that's drama.
    Well it only takes one person to destroy a good forum and you take the Jackass prize for that.

    Goodbye to this forum.

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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #36 on: June 10, 2024, 12:09:41 PM »
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  • I'm just giving it to you straight here. I'm not mincing words. Salvation is serious business. Life is serious business.

    With all due respect, even your wife should come second after God.

    But wouldn't your insurance cover the same level of medical care for your wife in another state? What does your wife's illness have to do with you putting God first?

    Perhaps if you did more spiritual reading, you'd see where I'm coming from --

    For example, there was one case where a man was willing to go to hell for the material benefit of his sons. Basically he was putting his human love for his sons over the love of God. He was living in a state of mortal sin, which he couldn't get out of without financially ruining his sons. (He couldn't just go to confession, because he needed to get out of a STATE of sin, make restitution, etc.)

    Eventually, the man became terminally ill. The doctor told him he could be cured, but it would cost one of his sons something dear (I can't remember this exact detail). Maybe it was some of his blood, or another body part.
    But the punchline was this: the son refused. The father's eyes were opened, and he said: "You can't give up ____ (certainly was something earthly) for me, but here I was willing to endure eternal Hell for you and your brother's sakes. I see now how foolish I was. Forget you! From now on, I'm going to take care of my own immortal soul!"
    And the man sold his business (etc.) and made restitution for all his ill gotten gains, went to confession, and got his soul right with God. The sons lost their would-be inheritance.

    Moral of the story: it's foolish to prioritize ANYTHING over God, and the good of your eternal soul. Even putting family before God is foolish. We all die ALONE and appear at the judgment seat of God ALONE.

    I can't pretend to know all the details of your particular situation, so I'm not judging you. What I can say with confidence, however, is that we all are expected to put God as the first priority of our lives. To serve Him *at all costs*. All of life is a test -- do we love God, or not?

    Of course you should do what your conscience, your common sense, and your virtue of Prudence dictates. All I'm vehemently pushing on you is that you keep this over-arching thought in mind: Life is short, life is a test to see if we choose/love God or not. God alone matters.
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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #37 on: June 10, 2024, 12:47:44 PM »
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  • Vienna, VA is a 5 hour drive and Carrollton is 6 hours. Too far to drive. 
    Where there is a will, there is a way. Maybe consider staying over in a hotel.  That is what we do.  One thing is for sure, those priests in those locations will NEVER tell you to go to the NO.  Definitely worth the drive.


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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #38 on: June 10, 2024, 01:29:14 PM »
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  • The OP appears to be somewhere in eastern West Virginia. Not far from Beckley? If that is correct, there is a CMRI chapel in Wheelersburg, OH. That chapel is about 2.5 hours away from Beckley. Mass at 2:15pm on Sundays. Maybe that would be close enough for him. 

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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #39 on: June 10, 2024, 01:31:06 PM »
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  • Father Leo Carley still goes out to Wheeling, WV, but I would call the chapel to confirm details.  I'm not sure if he goes there every week.

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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #40 on: June 10, 2024, 01:40:34 PM »
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  • The OP appears to be somewhere in eastern West Virginia. Not far from Beckley? If that is correct, there is a CMRI chapel in Wheelersburg, OH. That chapel is about 2.5 hours away from Beckley. Mass at 2:15pm on Sundays. Maybe that would be close enough for him.
    Not sure where the OP is located. However, he has links to two TLM directories. He should be able to look there for other possibilities that might be "near" him.  According to him, there are none.


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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #41 on: June 11, 2024, 12:18:18 AM »
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  • You make many assumptions and judgements. e.g. such as my wife. You should be ashamed of yourself but that is not going to happen. My wife just came out of a five year cancer battle and during chemo her colon burst spewing bacteria throughout her bloodstream. But to you that's drama.
    Well it only takes one person to destroy a good forum and you take the Jackass prize for that.

    Goodbye to this forum.
    If you can't get a proper traditional mass, there are some eastern Catholic rites which are still valid.

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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #42 on: June 11, 2024, 02:08:32 PM »
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  • Honestly you don't sound like you're under 30.

    Nevertheless, your whining, drama, and defeatism would be more expected coming from a 25 year old.

    So you're giving up on the Tridentine Mass. Where does the giving up stop? Are you giving up on pleasing God? your soul? Eternal salvation?

    God commanded us to worship Him *as He desires to be worshipped*. Not just "however we feel like it". Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity, founded a Church and a religion to worship God the way HE wants to be worshipped.

    Vatican II tried to destroy that Faith, that Church, and that worship by making the Catholic Church protestant. We can't approve of that, or participate in that, without offending God. So that leaves TRADITIONAL CATHOLICISM -- doing our utmost best to find a Tridentine Mass to A) please and worship God and B) stay in the State of Grace and C) ultimately to save our souls.

    You sound like you're in the last 1/3 of your life -- you might want to be careful about throwing out God's lifeline of salvation -- Mass and the sacraments.

    How do the Boomers say it? You need to man up, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, etc. Can't you move? Travel? There are Tridentine Masses all over the USA -- which are nothing like the Indult abominations you have described.

    If you're alive, there SHOULD be hope. Does your wife rule you and your household? That's unfortunate. But even if so, couldn't you do something? Maybe just tell her "we're moving, and that's it". What's the worst that could happen? Would she really divorce you? Aren't you retired and your kids grown anyhow? At all costs, you really need to move somewhere where you could attend the Tridentine Mass, the true Mass, the Mass of All Time, at least occasionally.

    And if your wife is NOT like that, great! That was a worst-case scenario. So it's just about your job then? Mere money? Pieces of green paper? What is that compared to your eternal soul? I know, I know -- those green pieces of paper mean food, housing, comfort, security, power, pleasure -- again I ask, what are those things compared to the ETERNAL DESTINY of your soul? Your soul is going to live forever whether you like it or not. Of critical importance is HOW YOU WILL SPEND THAT ETERNITY.

    I will tell you this: if you "make it to the finish line", staying married to a dominating woman who refuses to let you move where the Tridentine Mass is offered, it will be NO CONSOLATION for you in hell if you lose your soul. There will be no "bragging rights" that "At least I never got divorced". The devils won't "tip their hat" or give you any "props" or respect for the simple fact of having managed to avoid divorce. What I'm saying is, the ONLY thing that matters is your soul's salvation. Not your wife's happiness, not your convenience, not your earthly happiness, and not what your friends/family/kids think of you.

    If you're still here on earth, still alive, you should have SOME agency or choice about what you do, where you go, what your priorities are. YOU decide your priorities. YOU have Free Will, and will be judged by God accordingly.

    I would humbly suggest, along with all the saints, that you live your life as if GOD ALONE MATTERS. Put God first, and you won't ever regret it.
    Where do you get off speaking to someone like this? Are you a self appointed Spiritual Director?

    In addition to what you say about God, you have NEVER experienced him judging by your Jimmy Swaggert style. God is kind, loving, and most of all understanding to each person's condition in life. He does not paint with a broad brush. LEARN SOME HUMILITY.

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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #43 on: June 11, 2024, 03:19:40 PM »
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    Where do you get off speaking to someone like this? Are you a self appointed Spiritual Director?

    In addition to what you say about God, you have NEVER experienced him judging by your Jimmy Swaggert style. God is kind, loving, and most of all understanding to each person's condition in life. He does not paint with a broad brush. LEARN SOME HUMILITY.
    It's called "telling it like it is", "fraternal correction", "instructing the ignorant", and "tough love".

    I thought I was being quite polite.

    What specifically do you disagree with in my post? The part about serving God above all things? That's objectively what we're all supposed to do, by the way.

    What inspired my post? The whiny bit about having to sell 2 Traditional Mass missals at a loss, basically being a drama queen while publicly giving up on attending the Tridentine Mass. He obviously is not bedridden, has a car, etc. because he managed to get himself to the horrible Indult abomination he described. So why can't he make it to a better chapel, or even *uproot and move somewhere better*.

    List for me ONE THING that is more important, or a higher consideration, than getting to a place where you can attend the True Mass at least once a month. I'll wait.

    ...What are you going to list? Family? Money? Friends? Attractions? Scenery? Familiarity with the area you currently live? All these things are vain and temporary, and will have to be given up at death. Only serving God and being in the State of Grace matters.
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    Re: Is RESISTANCE this???
    « Reply #44 on: June 11, 2024, 03:27:42 PM »
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  • FYI:  I heard back from Lux Vera and they are in the process of investigating what is going on at the Abbey.  If I hear anything (and I can share), I will keep y'all posted.