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  • I know of a priest of the SSPX who teaches the Novus Ordo seminarians how to say the Latin Mass. Is that wrong. If the Novus Ordo ordinations are invalid, then this would mean that a lot of people who are not truly priests will be going around play-acting the Latin Mass. Is this a kind of sacrilege?

    Even if the New Rite of ordinations are valid, wouldn't it be wrong to teach heretics, as nearly all Novus Ordo seminarians are, because they do not ordain seminarians who are truly Catholic, to say the Latin Mass? Is a heretic's Mass pleasing to God?


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    Is it wrong to teach Novus Ordo seminarians the Latin Mass?
    « Reply #1 on: May 15, 2013, 03:36:58 PM »
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  • I'd be wary of automatically writing off all NO priests and seminarians as heretical.  Think about what you're saying in the light of Catholic doctrine.

    A heretic is someone who knowingly and pertinaciously persists in error.  Someone who doesn't know any better isn't a heretic.

    Even if someone IS a heretic, what do you think the remedy might be?  Leaving them to their heresies or correcting their errors in charity?



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    Is it wrong to teach Novus Ordo seminarians the Latin Mass?
    « Reply #2 on: May 15, 2013, 03:41:07 PM »
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  • The problem is that the NO Mass was never the central problem. It was just the most visible manifestation of the conciliar apostasy.

    This is what the virulent anti-sede SSPXers don't understand.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 15, 2013, 03:41:49 PM »
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    Someone who doesn't know any better isn't a heretic.

    I guess many of them are only Material heretics because they don't know any better and I think a person who unknowingly is a heretic is called that. Who knows, I am probably a material heretic because I do not know the more intricate parts of the faith. But I have never met a Novus Ordo priest who was truly Catholic. I have heard that since Vatican II, the modernists who run the seminaries have been persecuting the more traditional priests and elevating the heretics and the sodomites.

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    Is it wrong to teach Novus Ordo seminarians the Latin Mass?
    « Reply #4 on: May 15, 2013, 03:42:52 PM »
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  • Amusingly enough, the OP contains more than one error incompatible with Catholic doctrine.

    Also, you should research the supernatural effect of the traditional Mass.


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    Is it wrong to teach Novus Ordo seminarians the Latin Mass?
    « Reply #5 on: May 15, 2013, 03:45:42 PM »
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  • NO it is not wrong to make acts of corporal mercy by instructing the ignorant; it is especially good to teach the Latin Mass.

    The Latin Mass can be taught to a "trad" and the trad priest could still become an apostate, heretic, etc.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 15, 2013, 03:47:09 PM »
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  • You can't be a heretic - material or otherwise - if you don't know any better.  

    You have to have learned an article of faith, knowingly rejected it and persisted in the error in the face of repeated correction to be a heretic.


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    Is it wrong to teach Novus Ordo seminarians the Latin Mass?
    « Reply #7 on: May 16, 2013, 01:26:59 AM »
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    I know of a priest of the SSPX who teaches the Novus Ordo seminarians how to say the Latin Mass. Is that wrong. If the Novus Ordo ordinations are invalid, then this would mean that a lot of people who are not truly priests will be going around play-acting the Latin Mass. Is this a kind of sacrilege?

    Even if the New Rite of ordinations are valid, wouldn't it be wrong to teach heretics, as nearly all Novus Ordo seminarians are, because they do not ordain seminarians who are truly Catholic, to say the Latin Mass? Is a heretic's Mass pleasing to God?


    Novus Ordo ordinations are still valid, at least up to this point, but as the unfolding apostasy of Rome continues, then the time will come when they are invalid.

    The logic of your second paragraph is like leaving a sick person without giving them medicine; or passing a starving and dehydrated person without giving them food and drink. It's necessary to help new order "Catholics" become truly Catholic, and one of the most efficacious ways is to teach them the true Catholic Tridentine Mass, which also helps them see the irreverence, sacrilege, and error of their protestant mass. The graces bestowed upon them by God through the Tridentine Mass will help them see the diabolical disorientation the afflicts the new order church, and help them become more faithful and fruit bearing Catholics. Ultimately, by the grace of God, they can completely come home to the Faith.


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    Is it wrong to teach Novus Ordo seminarians the Latin Mass?
    « Reply #8 on: May 16, 2013, 04:41:09 PM »
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  • Novus ordo presiders aren't dummies.  They usually enter their faux seminaries with a bachelor's degree in hand.  And with all the vague, happy clappy stuff that passes for "scholarship" you would think they could at least go to the SSPX website to find out the truth.  


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    « Reply #9 on: May 16, 2013, 04:43:18 PM »
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    You can't be a heretic - material or otherwise - if you don't know any better.  

    You have to have learned an article of faith, knowingly rejected it and persisted in the error in the face of repeated correction to be a heretic.



    No, that's not true. You don't have to "know better" to be a heretic.

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    Is it wrong to teach Novus Ordo seminarians the Latin Mass?
    « Reply #10 on: May 16, 2013, 04:58:56 PM »
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    You can't be a heretic - material or otherwise - if you don't know any better.  

    You have to have learned an article of faith, knowingly rejected it and persisted in the error in the face of repeated correction to be a heretic.



    No, that's not true. You don't have to "know better" to be a heretic.


    Material heresy is when you believe something contrary to the Catholic faith and did not know that it's contrary to the Catholic faith.  The idea is no less dangerous, but the person is not guilty of heresy proper (i.e., the person is not a heretic) if he does not know that what he believes is contrary to the faith.  

    On the other hand, a formal heretic is a person who knows that Catholic teaching on X is Y, but decides to believe Z anyways.  

    To say that you have to 'know better' [to be a formal heretic] isn't the best way to phrase it.  But to be guilty of heresy (to be a heretic, not merely hold an heretical view) you must be aware of the doctrine that you are contradicting.


    It's troubling that anyone who has said this in this thread has been thumbed down.  This is Catholic teaching.  
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Is it wrong to teach Novus Ordo seminarians the Latin Mass?
    « Reply #11 on: May 16, 2013, 08:50:24 PM »
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  • The novus ordo seminarian does not have the devotions nor are
    they capable of celebration of the traditional mass in its correct
    form. They are not correctly formed as the seminarians were
    before Vatican 2.
    I have seen a novus ordo seminary, and it is more like a
    club house, than a house of prayer.

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    « Reply #12 on: May 16, 2013, 10:25:48 PM »
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    The novus ordo seminarian does not have the devotions nor are
    they capable of celebration of the traditional mass in its correct
    form. They are not correctly formed as the seminarians were
    before Vatican 2.
    I have seen a novus ordo seminary, and it is more like a
    club house, than a house of prayer.


    That's true, but as somebody noted in a prior post, if an SSPX priest is instructing new order seminarians on celebrating the Tridentine Mass, then that is a good thing because nobody is more properly formed and learned in the Tridentine Mass than an SSPX (or CMRI) priest.

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    Is it wrong to teach Novus Ordo seminarians the Latin Mass?
    « Reply #13 on: May 16, 2013, 11:49:37 PM »
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  • Teaching Novus Ordo seminarians = teaching new dogs old tricks?

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    Is it wrong to teach Novus Ordo seminarians the Latin Mass?
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