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Is it sinful to send children to public school?
« on: April 03, 2013, 08:17:33 PM »
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  • It is very difficult to homeschool, so I was wondering if it was actually sinful to send one's children to public school?

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    Is it sinful to send children to public school?
    « Reply #1 on: April 03, 2013, 08:20:48 PM »
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    It is very difficult to homeschool, so I was wondering if it was actually sinful to send one's children to public school?

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    It certainly can be sinful to send your children to public school.  Absolutely.

    In the past, sending children to public school could incur excommunication.


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    Is it sinful to send children to public school?
    « Reply #2 on: April 03, 2013, 08:48:24 PM »
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  • I would say that it is sinful to send your children to public school.

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    Is it sinful to send children to public school?
    « Reply #3 on: April 03, 2013, 08:49:39 PM »
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  • Consider that parents are responsible for the spritual formation and the guarding of their children's souls until they leave home.

    Public schools pretend to assist our child's temporal educational needs for leading a productive life in a modernist society?

    Since their curiculums include indoctirnation programs which are contrary to the salvation of child's soul, I don't see how we can accept them?


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    Is it sinful to send children to public school?
    « Reply #4 on: April 03, 2013, 11:33:26 PM »
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  • I remember that the tuition at the parochial school I attended was only
    $5.00 a month. Tuition got most of it's support from Sunday Mass
    Collections.
    All the teachers were Nuns, except for one or two lay teachers.
    There was no excuse at that time in sending Catholic Children to
    public schools
    It was the common opinion that you got a better education in a
    Catholic School than Public Schools.
    On the top of this, is the sound religious instructions that were
    very important, because it would be the guide for the rest of our
    lives.
    That was before Vatican 2 was implemented. The parochial school
    I attended is now one of the most liberal and progressive in that
    archdiocese.


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    Is it sinful to send children to public school?
    « Reply #5 on: April 03, 2013, 11:34:17 PM »
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  • The previous responses are correct. Pope Leo XIII condemned the act of parents sending their children to non-Catholic schools (and that includes government chools). Here is what he had to say, from his Papal Encyclical Affari Vos:

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    The question at issue is assuredly one of the highest and most serious importance. The decisions arrived at seven years ago on the school question by the Parliament of the province of Manitoba must be remembered. The Act of Union of the Confederation had secured to Catholics the right to be educated in the public schools according to their consciences; and yet this right the Parliament of Manitoba abolished by a contrary law. This is a noxious law. For our children cannot go for instruction to schools which either ignore or of set purpose combat the Catholic religion, or in which its teachings are despised and its fundamental principles repudiated. Wherever the Church has allowed this to be done, it has only been with pain and through necessity, at the same time surrounding her children with many safeguards which, nevertheless it has been too often recognized have been insufficient to cope successfully with the danger attending it. Similarly it is necessary to avoid at all costs, as most dangerous, those schools in which all beliefs are welcomed and treated as equal, as if, in what regards God and divine things, it makes no difference whether one believes rightly or wrongly, and takes up with truth or error. You know well, Venerable Brethren, that every school of this kind has been condemned by the Church, because nothing can be more harmful or better calculated to ruin the integrity of the faith and to turn aside the tender minds of the young from the way of truth.”


    And in his Papal Encyclical Divinis Illius Magistri, Pope Pius XI said this:

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    “From this it follows that the so-called “neutral” or “lay” school, from which religion is excluded, is contrary to the fundamental principles of education. Such a school moreover cannot exist in practice; it is bound to become irreligious. There is no need to repeat what Our Predecessors have declared on this point, especially Pius IX and Leo XIII, at times when laicism was beginning in a special manner to infest the public school. We renew and confirm their declarations,[48] as well as the Sacred Canons in which the frequenting of non-Catholic schools, whether neutral or mixed, those namely which are open to Catholics and non-Catholics alike, is forbidden for Catholic children, and can be at most tolerated, on the approval of the Ordinary alone, under determined circuмstances of place and time, and with special precautions.[49] Neither can Catholics admit that other type of mixed school, (least of all the so-called “école unique,” obligatory on all), in which the students are provided with separate religious instruction, but receive other lessons in common with non-Catholic pupils from non-Catholic teachers.”


    The 1917 Code of Canon Law also condemned the act of Catholic children being sent to non-Catholic schools.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    Is it sinful to send children to public school?
    « Reply #6 on: April 04, 2013, 10:30:44 AM »
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    It is very difficult to homeschool, so I was wondering if it was actually sinful to send one's children to public school?

    Thx


    All of the above.

    Of course, homeschooling is/was difficult for all of us, but that does not mean you should not try your best. You will learn and improve as you go. There is a lot of help out there if you know how to access it.

    The Sacrament of Marriage gives the couple the grace to fullfill their duties in the raising children. So take courage; call on those graces and go ahead.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Is it sinful to send children to public school?
    « Reply #7 on: April 04, 2013, 10:57:06 AM »
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  • Quote from: Pope Pius XI, On Christian Education
    79. From this it follows that the so-called "neutral" or "lay" school, from which religion is excluded, is contrary to the fundamental principles of education. Such a school moreover cannot exist in practice; it is bound to become irreligious. There is no need to repeat what Our Predecessors have declared on this point, especially Pius IX and Leo XIII, at times when laicism was beginning in a special manner to infest the public school. We renew and confirm their declarations,[48] as well as the Sacred Canons in which the frequenting of non-Catholic schools, whether neutral or mixed, those namely which are open to Catholics and non-Catholics alike, is forbidden for Catholic children, and can be at most tolerated, on the approval of the Ordinary alone, under determined circuмstances of place and time, and with special precautions.[49] Neither can Catholics admit that other type of mixed school, (least of all the so-called "école unique," obligatory on all), in which the students are provided with separate religious instruction, but receive other lessons in common with non-Catholic pupils from non-Catholic teachers.

    80. For the mere fact that a school gives some religious instruction (often extremely stinted), does not bring it into accord with the rights of the Church and of the Christian family, or make it a fit place for Catholic students. To be this, it is necessary that all the teaching and the whole organization of the school, and its teachers, syllabus and text-books in every branch, be regulated by the Christian spirit, under the direction and maternal supervision of the Church; so that Religion may be in very truth the foundation and crown of the youth's entire training; and this in every grade of school, not only the elementary, but the intermediate and the higher institutions of learning as well. To use the words of Leo XIII: "It is necessary not only that religious instruction be given to the young at certain fixed times, but also that every other subject taught, be permeated with Christian piety. If this is wanting, if this sacred atmosphere does not pervade and warm the hearts of masters and scholars alike, little good can be expected from any kind of learning, and considerable harm will often be the consequence."[50]


    It isn't absolutely forbidden, as indicated above.

    The question is really about what can be tolerated when no Catholic school is available.
     


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    Is it sinful to send children to public school?
    « Reply #8 on: April 04, 2013, 10:57:39 AM »
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  • As in almost everything these days, such decisions must be made carefully on a case-by-case basis.  We will of course answer to Almighty God for how we have raised our children.


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    Is it sinful to send children to public school?
    « Reply #9 on: April 04, 2013, 11:04:35 AM »
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    It is very difficult to homeschool, so I was wondering if it was actually sinful to send one's children to public school?

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    I think your premise here is completely wrong.  I've homeschooled for the last 14 years and my youngest is in 6th grade, so I have about 6 more years to go.

    If I can do it...anybody can.

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    Is it sinful to send children to public school?
    « Reply #10 on: April 04, 2013, 11:14:44 AM »
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    It is very difficult to homeschool, so I was wondering if it was actually sinful to send one's children to public school?

    Thx


    I think your premise here is completely wrong.  I've homeschooled for the last 14 years and my youngest is in 6th grade, so I have about 6 more years to go.

    If I can do it...anybody can.


    You are likely better than at least some people because homeschooling is difficult for many if not most families. Some parents cannot homeschool, for a variety of legitimate reasons.  


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    Is it sinful to send children to public school?
    « Reply #11 on: April 04, 2013, 01:33:15 PM »
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    The question is really about what can be tolerated when no Catholic school is available.


    Schools of long ago are not nearly as evil as the schools of today.

    If the situation in the schools are bad enough, obviously it is totally forbidden.

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    Is it sinful to send children to public school?
    « Reply #12 on: April 04, 2013, 01:39:25 PM »
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    It is very difficult to homeschool, so I was wondering if it was actually sinful to send one's children to public school?

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    I think your premise here is completely wrong.  I've homeschooled for the last 14 years and my youngest is in 6th grade, so I have about 6 more years to go.

    If I can do it...anybody can.


    You are likely better than at least some people because homeschooling is difficult for many if not most families. Some parents cannot homeschool, for a variety of legitimate reasons.  


    There's a big difference between saying, "I can't homeschool for a particular reason" and "It is very difficult to homeschool".

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    Is it sinful to send children to public school?
    « Reply #13 on: April 04, 2013, 01:54:31 PM »
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    There's a big difference between saying, "I can't homeschool for a particular reason" and "It is very difficult to homeschool".


    Of course there is a difference. I'm not discouraging any attempts to homeschool, merely saying that your characterization of it being something anybody can do is false. Everybody isn't equipped to do it, nor are their circuмstances conducive to being successful.

    What you were implying, like it or not, was that there really isn't any valid reason one can't homeschool and if you do otherwise your committing a mortal sin.

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    Is it sinful to send children to public school?
    « Reply #14 on: April 04, 2013, 02:21:57 PM »
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  • In public schools they teach the children to be evil.

    It is better to not have children than to have children and abandon them to public schools. They will most likely lose their souls.