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Is it ok to eat vegan hot dogs on fast days?
« on: February 26, 2020, 07:56:04 AM »
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  • Is it ok to eat veggie hot dogs/burgers on fast days?

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    Re: Is it ok to eat vegan hot dogs on fast days?
    « Reply #1 on: February 26, 2020, 09:54:43 AM »
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  • It is in keeping with the letter of the law, so yes, you may.


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    Re: Is it ok to eat vegan hot dogs on fast days?
    « Reply #2 on: February 26, 2020, 11:39:42 AM »
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  • Of course.
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    Re: Is it ok to eat vegan hot dogs on fast days?
    « Reply #3 on: February 26, 2020, 12:15:06 PM »
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  • Is it ok to eat veggie hot dogs/burgers on fast days?
    Yes, it meets the requirements of the law, but not the spirit of the law.

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    Re: Is it ok to eat vegan hot dogs on fast days?
    « Reply #4 on: February 26, 2020, 01:37:56 PM »
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  • Vegan meat substitutes are mostly soy and have high estrogen-like compounds.  Would advise against it ... especially if you're a man.  But otherwise quite licit.


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    Re: Is it ok to eat vegan hot dogs on fast days?
    « Reply #5 on: February 26, 2020, 02:02:10 PM »
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  • Vegan meat substitutes are mostly soy and have high estrogen-like compounds.  Would advise against it ... especially if you're a man.  But otherwise quite licit.
    Processed store-bought meat substitutes often have a lot of soy. And salt. They also frequently have egg products.
    But if you must have meat flavors and can tolerate gluten, you can make a vegetarian "sausage" at home with oatmeal, wheat gluten, and spices typical of sausages. 
    An example:
    https://blog.fatfreevegan.com/2008/10/pasta-with-peppers-and-sausage.html

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    Re: Is it ok to eat vegan hot dogs on fast days?
    « Reply #6 on: February 26, 2020, 02:30:03 PM »
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  • Is it ok to eat veggie hot dogs/burgers on fast days?
    Your title says vegan and your question says veggie. Not exactly the same thing. Why not just eat veggies? Much better for your health than "dogs".
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    Re: Is it ok to eat vegan hot dogs on fast days?
    « Reply #7 on: February 26, 2020, 06:49:46 PM »
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  • on fast days we can eat meat, no?


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    Re: Is it ok to eat vegan hot dogs on fast days?
    « Reply #8 on: February 26, 2020, 07:41:09 PM »
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  • on fast days we can eat meat, no?

    Yes, unless it's also a day of full abstinence.  I believe that's what OP had in mind.

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    Re: Is it ok to eat vegan hot dogs on fast days?
    « Reply #9 on: February 26, 2020, 09:19:57 PM »
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  • Processed store-bought meat substitutes often have a lot of soy. And salt. They also frequently have egg products.
    But if you must have meat flavors and can tolerate gluten, you can make a vegetarian "sausage" at home with oatmeal, wheat gluten, and spices typical of sausages.
    An example:
    https://blog.fatfreevegan.com/2008/10/pasta-with-peppers-and-sausage.html
    The Beyond Meat products do not contain soy.  I had their Beyond Sausage in a burrito at Hardee's (same thing as Carl's Jr) the other day and it is surprisingly good.  I didn't expect much.   I would definitely drive out of my way to have that again.

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    Re: Is it ok to eat vegan hot dogs on fast days?
    « Reply #10 on: February 27, 2020, 09:33:11 AM »
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  • A lot have soy but not all. The salt content is high. There's more people who want to eat healthy and are better informed then in the past when only fish on Friday was a thing.
    Immigration has increased the number of people who don't normally (plus eastern catholic/orthodox who are vegan 200 days of the year)eat meat. The stupid fat is bad for you thing also contributes as well as people suffering from cancer who awaken to the ills of processed foods.
    The spirit of The fast is I think much more important for Latin catholics because your tradition is all about Lent. You have only the Lent period (obviously ember days) as specific set aside times for penance.
    As St Benedict says Lent is a time to repair past negligences 


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    Re: Is it ok to eat vegan hot dogs on fast days?
    « Reply #11 on: February 27, 2020, 04:18:52 PM »
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  •  (plus eastern catholic/orthodox who are vegan 200 days of the year)
    Since when did these people abstain from all animal products - meat, eggs, cheese, milk, yoghurt, honey, etc, etc, for almost 7 months every year?
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    Re: Is it ok to eat vegan hot dogs on fast days?
    « Reply #12 on: February 27, 2020, 05:58:39 PM »
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  • Since when did these people abstain from all animal products - meat, eggs, cheese, milk, yoghurt, honey, etc, etc, for almost 7 months every year?
    The traditional fasts in the Eastern churches are:
    Lent - 48 days
    Phillip's fast - 40 days (from Nov 15 to Dec 24)
    Dormition fast - 14 days (Aug 1 to 14)
    Apostles fast - 0-6 weeks (from second Monday after Pentecost to Sts. Peter & Paul)
    So that's 102-144 days of abstaining from meat or dairy, plus a week of no meat (cheesefare week). 
    Traditionally, in the other weeks (30-36 weeks), Wednesday and Friday are also days of abstaining. So that's another 60-72 days.
    So in total it would be some 170-200 days without meat or dairy.

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    Re: Is it ok to eat vegan hot dogs on fast days?
    « Reply #13 on: February 27, 2020, 05:59:06 PM »
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  • Last one was me.

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    Re: Is it ok to eat vegan hot dogs on fast days?
    « Reply #14 on: February 27, 2020, 06:20:37 PM »
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  • That's why some advice about spirit of the fast is kinda ignored by easterners

    From an orthodox priest is this snippet and kind of shows the different perspective

    For Orthodox Christians, Lent and all of our ascetical effort (which includes fasting around half the days of the year, not just Lent, as well as other ascetical practices, none of which include pickingsomething to give up) are about neither the Pietistic emphasis on self-discipline and individual piety and belief nor in the more Lutheran concern of revealing us to be sinners (thus representing the continuum between the Radical and Magisterial Reformations, respectively). There is nothing wrong with either goal, of course, but that is not the point of asceticism