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« on: December 01, 2013, 04:56:16 PM »
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  • Is it lawful to kill a man to prevent him from murdering other people?


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    « Reply #1 on: December 01, 2013, 05:16:19 PM »
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  • Only if you catch him in the act.
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    « Reply #2 on: December 01, 2013, 06:09:09 PM »
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  • I call troll, this to bait us into giving our stance on those who kill abortionist.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 01, 2013, 06:18:15 PM »
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    « Reply #4 on: December 01, 2013, 06:20:21 PM »
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  • Only if you are not of European descent


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    « Reply #5 on: December 01, 2013, 07:01:58 PM »
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    I call troll, this to bait us into giving our stance on those who kill abortionist.

    I asked the question and I reveal my identity now to show that I am not a troll. I could ask if it were lawful to kill someone like Stalin or Mao to prevent them from killing many people. Your example of killing an abortionist works too as the same principles apply.
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    « Reply #6 on: December 01, 2013, 07:59:13 PM »
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  • There was an abortionist killed when he was in his Protestant church on Sunday.  The local bishop condemned the act as immoral..

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    « Reply #7 on: December 02, 2013, 04:05:59 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
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    I call troll, this to bait us into giving our stance on those who kill abortionist.

    I asked the question and I reveal my identity now to show that I am not a troll. I could ask if it were lawful to kill someone like Stalin or Mao to prevent them from killing many people. Your example of killing an abortionist works too as the same principles apply.


    Matto, I apologize. That was brave of you to post with your name, please forgive me.


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    « Reply #8 on: December 02, 2013, 04:12:02 AM »
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  • The thunder was awfully loud when P Hill was executed.

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    « Reply #9 on: December 02, 2013, 04:26:17 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
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    I call troll, this to bait us into giving our stance on those who kill abortionist.

    I asked the question and I reveal my identity now to show that I am not a troll. I could ask if it were lawful to kill someone like Stalin or Mao to prevent them from killing many people. Your example of killing an abortionist works too as the same principles apply.


    The last few Popes with their modernism and error have caused the destruction of many souls, which is a graver crime than killing people's bodies.

    Who would seriously suggest killing those Popes as a solution?

    I think, therefore, when you kill a Stalin or a Mao they have to be a tyrant who is ready to fall and where they have little or no supporting power-base.  Usually people like that are living on borrowed time anyway.  Otherwise you don't really solve any problem.

    Like a bad Pope, a bad tyrant can be replaced with an equally bad or worse tyrant.  In fact, your killing them only makes that more likely.

    The 'best' moral justification I can see is the one for killing abortionists.  You can be reasonably certain that they will kill again tomorrow, and the day after, and unlike tyrants they are not THAT easy to replace.  Most doctors would not want to do abortions, (it is a very unpleasant and grissly business).  So if 100 or so abortionists were shot dead worldwide, it would have an impact on the number of abortions that could be done.  One abortionist does A LOT of abortions.  Some of those women, if abortions were difficult to access, would NO DOUBT reconsider their options and keep the baby.  I would hazard a guess that the number of babies saved would be an order of magnitude greater than the abortionists killed.  (Not that that alone justifies it)

    But prayfully picketing the clinics is more effective I think (and harder in someways).  Violence is exciting and very attractive, (instant gratification) but not usually very effective in terms of achieving the outcome you want.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 02, 2013, 04:39:06 AM »
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    The thunder was awfully loud when P Hill was executed.


    This is a darned interesting interview.




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    « Reply #11 on: December 02, 2013, 05:33:22 AM »
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    The thunder was awfully loud when P Hill was executed.


    This is a darned interesting interview.




    Also remember they are used to loud storms in Florida. This was beyond what is normal for that region.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 02, 2013, 07:45:23 AM »
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  • This sounds like my ends justify the means thread.

    In the "YouCat" youth cathechism of the Vatican 2 church, it says that it is ethical to use force to stop someone from killing someone else.

    -SG

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    « Reply #13 on: December 02, 2013, 07:52:22 AM »
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  • Questions with such dire potential impacts should be addressed to a priest, or perhaps several priests, but certainly not anonymous users online.  This time, it isn't even a question of decorum (like the marital act threads), but rather an actual question of life or death.

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    « Reply #14 on: December 02, 2013, 08:22:11 AM »
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  • Quote from: ggreg
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    The thunder was awfully loud when P Hill was executed.


    This is a darned interesting interview.




    I watched the interview.
    So do people think that if by putting your faith into practice, and incurring the wraith of society, that if society kills you for what you do, that you are a martyr? I made a thread about something like this in the mens forum asking whether death by drugs administered by society counts as martyrdom.
    This would make an interesting discussion topic!

    btw I did not start this thread