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I could see how it could place a husband in the occasion of sin if he had a majority of female friends, but it is an occasion of sin for a husband to have close female friends (in addition to his wife, too, of course)? Would this be to give scandal, if he associates with them with or without the presence of his wife?

The closest I've seen a Catholic author address this is T. G. Wayne's Morals and Marriage: The Catholic Background to Sex (nihil obstat & imprimitur 1936):
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The pleasure normally taken in the company and conversation of the opposite sex is clearly not meant to be restricted to marriage.
I suppose this question falls under the broader question: "What should a husband's relation to other women be?" Should he charitably avoid them, preferring to associate with males only?

I'm also reminded of Padre Pio saying he never knew the face of a single female of his congregation. Is this the approach Catholic husbands should take with women they're not married to?


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Is it an occasion of sin for a husband to have close female friends
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2016, 04:36:37 PM »
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    Polite only.
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    « Reply #2 on: May 05, 2016, 05:11:16 PM »
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    Catholic sources?

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    « Reply #3 on: May 05, 2016, 05:55:47 PM »
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  •  Common sense says it could be an occasion of sin.

    But if you insist;  the examination of conscience from the Fatima Centre, page 5 #19 under the sixth and ninth commandment states.
    "Have I unnecessarily remained alone in the company of the opposite sex?"

    Oxford dictionary defines "friend" thus:
    " 1.Person one likes and chooses to spend time with
      2. sympathizer. helper
      3. ally or neutral person
      4.regular supporter"
    To which I might add it won't take long before they become a confidant.
    And if that is the definition of friend what does the OP mean by CLOSE FRIEND?

    If a husband or wife has time to spend with the opposite sex there is something very wrong in the marriage.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 05, 2016, 06:43:16 PM »
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  • Men and women cannot be real friends.

    ONLY in the female mind, they are "friends".

    Yes, it is an ocassion of sin for the husband to have female friends. You are naive if you think otherwise.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 05, 2016, 06:56:26 PM »
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  • Not only is this an occasion of sin but it's sinful of its own.  Husbands should only have any kind of intimacy (not just physical but even emotional) with their own wives.  "Close" friendship clearly implies a degree of intimacy that is unacceptable for a husband to have with any woman other than his wife.  Now, an unmarried man might conceivably have such a relationship with an unmarried woman if there's no occasion of sin to impurity.  But not so for a married man.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 05, 2016, 07:06:09 PM »
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  • The female friend can give something to the married man his wife can't give.  She makes him feel good about himself and laughs at his jokes.  What's wrong with that?

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    « Reply #7 on: May 05, 2016, 08:20:24 PM »
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  • Oh, you are so wrong!  Put yourself in the wife's shoes.  Now she says to you, you can't give me what I desire?  How does that go down with you hearing that?

    If you were my husband and I the wife, I would be crying so hard, I would be choking to breath.

    That is boarder line rejection.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 05, 2016, 08:22:06 PM »
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  • Add to that, you have been playing with thoughts, thoughts of the devil.

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    The female friend can give something to the married man his wife can't give.  She makes him feel good about himself and laughs at his jokes.  What's wrong with that?


    I am not the OP but I did post the above message to make a point.  THIS is what is at the foundation of "opposite sex friendship"--lust, pure and simple.  My EX husband had many female "friends".  They were women he wanted to sin with but had to settle for their "friendship" because they weren't attracted to him.  I believed him when he said they "were just friends".  Now he's "married" to one of his "female friends".  

    Never ever be alone with someone of the opposite sex who you aren't married to or related to by blood.

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    « Reply #10 on: May 05, 2016, 10:45:57 PM »
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  • Ive met male people in the past that had female friends. I always just thought they were odd.


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    The female friend can give something to the married man his wife can't give.  She makes him feel good about himself and laughs at his jokes.  What's wrong with that?


    This is flirting and its how a woman gets the husband to be distracted from the wife.....fluffing his ego.
    This is how affairs start.


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    « Reply #12 on: May 06, 2016, 02:20:31 AM »
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    I could see how it could place a husband in the occasion of sin if he had a majority of female friends, but it is an occasion of sin for a husband to have close female friends (in addition to his wife, too, of course)? Would this be to give scandal, if he associates with them with or without the presence of his wife?

    The closest I've seen a Catholic author address this is T. G. Wayne's Morals and Marriage: The Catholic Background to Sex (nihil obstat & imprimitur 1936):
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    The pleasure normally taken in the company and conversation of the opposite sex is clearly not meant to be restricted to marriage.
    I suppose this question falls under the broader question: "What should a husband's relation to other women be?" Should he charitably avoid them, preferring to associate with males only?

    I'm also reminded of Padre Pio saying he never knew the face of a single female of his congregation. Is this the approach Catholic husbands should take with women they're not married to?


    A number of questions;

    Does his wife know these women?
    What does she think about this situation?
    Is the husband developing feelings for anyone in particular?
    What is the situation of his acquaintance with these "friends?"

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    The female friend can give something to the married man his wife can't give.  She makes him feel good about himself and laughs at his jokes.  What's wrong with that?


    I am not the OP but I did post the above message to make a point.  THIS is what is at the foundation of "opposite sex friendship"--lust, pure and simple.  My EX husband had many female "friends".  They were women he wanted to sin with but had to settle for their "friendship" because they weren't attracted to him.  I believed him when he said they "were just friends".  Now he's "married" to one of his "female friends".  

    Never ever be alone with someone of the opposite sex who you aren't married to or related to by blood.


    What a messed up post.

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    I could see how it could place a husband in the occasion of sin if he had a majority of female friends, but it is an occasion of sin for a husband to have close female friends (in addition to his wife, too, of course)? Would this be to give scandal, if he associates with them with or without the presence of his wife?

    The closest I've seen a Catholic author address this is T. G. Wayne's Morals and Marriage: The Catholic Background to Sex (nihil obstat & imprimitur 1936):
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    The pleasure normally taken in the company and conversation of the opposite sex is clearly not meant to be restricted to marriage.
    I suppose this question falls under the broader question: "What should a husband's relation to other women be?" Should he charitably avoid them, preferring to associate with males only?

    I'm also reminded of Padre Pio saying he never knew the face of a single female of his congregation. Is this the approach Catholic husbands should take with women they're not married to?



    I think that every person's situation is different, but caution must always be advised...

    That being said, I don't think that a married man should have a close female friend that his wife does not know about, or with whom he spends time alone with.  This easily becomes a near occasion of sin even for people who are most holy and devout.

    I can offer first hand experience...

    Since I was a girl of 18, I have had trouble with married men looking up to me more than their wives, and it has really caused A LOT of trouble!

    I never did anything wrong, and only spoke to some of these men as merely a cordial greeting or conversation at Church, dinner, or something of similar sort...  Yet, the jealousy of of a wife is not to be underestimated.  

    I have had a number of even traditional Catholic women despise me just because of the fact that their husbands looked up to me or spoke with me at all.  Some of them even went so far as calling my parents, asking them to tell me never to see or talk to their families ever again (which is weird because my family is N.O. and never met or heard of these people...)

    So, basically, for the sake of the sanity of your family, and everyone in your society or at your chapel...

    Please, all married men, think twice before being close friends with another woman besides your wife without her absolute consent and approval...  I would not want anyone to have to go through some of the same things that I had to bear, through no fault of my own, except perhaps being innocent and naive...