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Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2024, 06:16:33 PM »
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  • The Church doesn't have any hard and fast rules for receiving converts.
    Would be a good idea to take the Oath Against Modernism.

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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #17 on: August 10, 2024, 06:30:32 PM »
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  • There's no requirement ONLY because the Church it's operating effectively today.  If it were, then the novus ordo would be considered a heresy and schismatic sect, just like the Arians and Anglicans, and then, YES, there would be a requirement.  But we're in the middle of a spiritual war, so some things don't happen as they should.


    99% of "catholics" in the novus ordo are material heretics.  A profession of faith and an abjuration of heresy is the normal course of action, to correct such individuals.  It's also a matter of charity (correction of scandal) and justice, since a person who openly and publicly believes in heresy should have to publicly abjure/denounce this heresy, and publicly accept the Faith.  This being so that those who are not part of the novus ordo, but who may be interiorly tempted by this false religion, may see the dangers and errors of this spiritually dangerous "religion".
    So you acknowledge there is no requirement. That’s the truth.

    IF the Church was operating effectively today there would be no NO to leave. 
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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #18 on: August 10, 2024, 07:59:20 PM »
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    So you acknowledge there is no requirement. 
    Your argument is stupid.  Plenty of older, old-school, Trad priests required such.  Because they recognized that V2 is a schismatic sect and people need to unlearn many heresies.  


    The only Trads who wouldn’t require an abjuration of V2 heresies would be those who (like the new-sspx) don’t see anything wrong with V2.  And we see where that’s left the new-sspx…they can’t even criticize “pope” Francis.  

    Outside of the new-sspx (which is indult not truly Traditional), most Trad orgs do require an abjuration.  It’s the normal thing to do. 

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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #19 on: August 10, 2024, 09:49:40 PM »
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  • Your argument is stupid.  Plenty of older, old-school, Trad priests required such.  Because they recognized that V2 is a schismatic sect and people need to unlearn many heresies. 


    The only Trads who wouldn’t require an abjuration of V2 heresies would be those who (like the new-sspx) don’t see anything wrong with V2.  And we see where that’s left the new-sspx…they can’t even criticize “pope” Francis. 

    Outside of the new-sspx (which is indult not truly Traditional), most Trad orgs do require an abjuration.  It’s the normal thing to do.
    I am not making an argument, merely stating that those decisions are made of their volition., not what the Church teaches.

    I am not for the SSPX, and I want to see V2 condemned outright, so don’t put that on me, Anon.
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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #20 on: August 11, 2024, 07:28:33 AM »
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    those decisions are made of their volition., not what the Church teaches.
    You continue to miss the point.  The Church teaches that those baptized persons who convert to the Faith from non-catholic/schismatic religions (ie Protestant, Orthodox, Anglican, etc) must abjure their heresies. 

    The V2 sect is both heretical and schismatic.  But the Church hasn’t ruled on it…yet…due to the crisis.  But the principle remains to be followed.  Every Trad knows that V2 is heretical and schismatic, right?

    The Church hasn’t formally condemned the new mass.  But that doesn’t mean it’s ok.  Or are you saying “everything goes” until the Church acts?  Surely you’re not, because that would be a childish view.

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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #21 on: August 12, 2024, 03:04:50 AM »
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  • There seems to be no same for all answer.  Some traditionalists do, some do not.  If you are in doubt, ask the priest where you wish to receive the Sacraments before doing so.  For me personally, the issue was never raised.  The priest knew my “spiritual journey” and granted me permission to receive Communion and the like.  This was a sedevacantist chapel.  

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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #22 on: August 12, 2024, 05:45:55 AM »
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  • I have never heard of any of the main sedevacantist groups requiring this.  So, I'm not sure what "some sedes" you are referring to here.

    However, it is my understanding that if one starts going to a mass offered by these main sedevacantist groups, then there is a requirement to STOP attending the NO.
    8. Those who are returning from the Novus Ordo to the beliefs and practices of Roman Catholicism may not receive sacraments until (1) they manifest their resolve to utterly repudiate Vatican II and its reforms, (2) it is determined that they are sufficiently instructed in the Catholic Faith, and (3) are free from any impediments to receiving the sacraments, particularly invalid marriages and cohabitation, or any other public sin.

    - Bp. Sanborn's RCI Pastoral Directory.


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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #23 on: August 12, 2024, 06:06:10 AM »
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  • 8. Those who are returning from the Novus Ordo to the beliefs and practices of Roman Catholicism may not receive sacraments until (1) they manifest their resolve to utterly repudiate Vatican II and its reforms, (2) it is determined that they are sufficiently instructed in the Catholic Faith, and (3) are free from any impediments to receiving the sacraments, particularly invalid marriages and cohabitation, or any other public sin.

    - Bp. Sanborn's RCI Pastoral Directory.
    "manifest their resolve to repudiate" doesn't necessarily = "make a profession of faith".  Otherwise, I believe it would say that. 

    As I said in my earlier post, in my experience it is expected by most main sede groups that former NO's stop attending the NO. That would be another way to "manifest their resolve to repudiate..."

    I have assisted at his group's masses before, and I was not asked/required to make a profession of faith prior to receiving communion.   

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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #24 on: August 12, 2024, 08:24:01 AM »
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    "manifest their resolve to repudiate" doesn't necessarily = "make a profession of faith".
    It's not EXACTLY the same thing, but in practice, it is.  It's two sides of the same coin.  If you "repudiate errors" of V2, this means you are "abjuring errors" of your past life, which is an indirect way of professing your faith in Tradition/Orthodoxy.


    V2 teaches the faith, but it's a corrupt faith.  So if the priest instructs the person on which parts of the Faith are corrupted, and they learn the Truth, then by "repudiating" the corruption, you are, in effect, professing your faith in the non-corruptible Truth.

    Most V2 catholics (of good will) are material heretics, which means they *think/want* to profess the Faith.  They'll readily agree with saying the Creed, the Catechism, etc.  "Professing the Faith" is not the problem; getting rid of their corrupt understanding of certain doctrines, is the problem.

    So if they repudiate their errors, they are correcting their personal faith in the Church, which was always there (just defective).

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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #25 on: August 12, 2024, 12:40:26 PM »
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  • It's not EXACTLY the same thing, but in practice, it is.  It's two sides of the same coin.  If you "repudiate errors" of V2, this means you are "abjuring errors" of your past life, which is an indirect way of professing your faith in Tradition/Orthodoxy.


    V2 teaches the faith, but it's a corrupt faith.  So if the priest instructs the person on which parts of the Faith are corrupted, and they learn the Truth, then by "repudiating" the corruption, you are, in effect, professing your faith in the non-corruptible Truth.

    Most V2 catholics (of good will) are material heretics, which means they *think/want* to profess the Faith.  They'll readily agree with saying the Creed, the Catechism, etc.  "Professing the Faith" is not the problem; getting rid of their corrupt understanding of certain doctrines, is the problem.

    So if they repudiate their errors, they are correcting their personal faith in the Church, which was always there (just defective).
    Except "in practice" I was never asked to make a profession of faith nor to publicly repudiate the errors of V2 prior to receiving communion there.


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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #26 on: August 12, 2024, 01:35:59 PM »
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    Except "in practice" I was never asked to make a profession of faith nor to publicly repudiate the errors of V2 prior to receiving communion there.
    It appears they've changed their policy. 

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    As I said in my earlier post, in my experience it is expected by most main sede groups that former NO's stop attending the NO. That would be another way to "manifest their resolve to repudiate..."
    Yes.

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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #27 on: August 12, 2024, 03:06:21 PM »
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  • 8. Those who are returning from the Novus Ordo to the beliefs and practices of Roman Catholicism may not receive sacraments until (1) they manifest their resolve to utterly repudiate Vatican II and its reforms, (2) it is determined that they are sufficiently instructed in the Catholic Faith, and (3) are free from any impediments to receiving the sacraments, particularly invalid marriages and cohabitation, or any other public sin.

    - Bp. Sanborn's RCI Pastoral Directory.
    That sounds like all their past confessions from the Novus Ordo are invalid too. Do the priests at these chapels make people do over all those confessions before they're allowed to receive communion?