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Title. Is this required? Some sedes seem to think so but I am unsure.

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Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2024, 05:03:23 AM »
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  • Maybe in some instances it should be required, but it's not. 


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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #2 on: July 30, 2024, 05:25:42 AM »
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  • No. There is no requirement for a profession of faith. If/when a Catholic realises that the New Order is wrong he simply moves to a church which he is convinced has valid Mass and Sacraments. That is what my husband and I did.

    Of course if he has doubt about the validity of his Baptism or his Confirmation (we did not) he could consult  a traditional priest.

    Sedes can tend to make up their own rules.
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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #3 on: July 30, 2024, 06:47:57 AM »
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  • Title. Is this required? Some sedes seem to think so but I am unsure.
    I have never heard of any of the main sedevacantist groups requiring this.  So, I'm not sure what "some sedes" you are referring to here. 

    However, it is my understanding that if one starts going to a mass offered by these main sedevacantist groups, then there is a requirement to STOP attending the NO.

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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #4 on: July 30, 2024, 07:03:14 PM »
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  • Generally no.  What may happen is getting conditionally rebaptized if there’s any doubt about one’s n.o. validity.  In which case, that serves as a declaration of desire to follow tradition.  

    The same holds for Confirmation if one doubts the n.o. validity, it should be conditionally redone.  

    Certain couples need to check their marital status if there has been a n.o. annulment on either side.  Check with the priest.

    I’ve seen in a few prayer books, a statement of renunciation if you’ve, as a Catholic, denounced the Catholic Faith and formally joined some other religion.  I’ve never heard of anyone being required to do this, even if they did attend, say, Protestant services, or just didn’t practice any religion.  Perhaps it’s a good idea or required of someone who formally renounced the Church or was initiated into a non-Christian religion as in paganism or Satanism, Wikka, Hindu, Buddhist…

    Check with a priest, of course, on any issues of which you are unsure.


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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #5 on: July 30, 2024, 08:13:27 PM »
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  • Many many years ago I remember two fellows having to kneel at the altar rail in our traditional chapel and make an abjuration of some sort. They were converting from Anglicanism. Wish I could remember the circuмstances behind that.

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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #6 on: July 30, 2024, 08:13:48 PM »
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  • Many many years ago I remember two fellows having to kneel at the altar rail in our traditional chapel and make an abjuration of some sort. They were converting from Anglicanism. Wish I could remember the circuмstances behind that.
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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #7 on: July 30, 2024, 08:49:39 PM »
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    Many many years ago I remember two fellows having to kneel at the altar rail in our traditional chapel and make an abjuration of some sort. They were converting from Anglicanism. Wish I could remember the circuмstances behind that.
    If one assumes that the Anglican baptism was valid (and typically, the Church does assume validity), then for these 2 fellows to convert to Catholicism, they would abjure their Anglican heresies before being allowed to convert in a formal way.


    This is ANOTHER reason the Church would frown upon baptizing a child who would not be raised in the Faith.  If they grow up in a false religion (i.e. Anglicanism, Orthodoxy, Protestantism), then they cannot simply convert.  As an adult, they would have to realize their errors and abjure such, in a public way, first.


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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #8 on: July 30, 2024, 08:51:40 PM »
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    Generally no.
    Wrong.



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    I’ve seen in a few prayer books, a statement of renunciation if you’ve, as a Catholic, denounced the Catholic Faith and formally joined some other religion.  I’ve never heard of anyone being required to do this, even if they did attend, say, Protestant services, or just didn’t practice any religion.
    You've heard wrong.  As an adult, an abjuration of heresy is required before converting.

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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #9 on: July 30, 2024, 09:06:53 PM »
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  • Why can’t posters just answer the question asked in the title?

     Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?

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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #10 on: July 30, 2024, 09:13:28 PM »
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    Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    It depends on the Trad priest who is involved.  The new-sspx would (probably) not require it, because they (probably) don't see the Novus Ordo as heretical.  A stronger, Traditionalist priest should require an abjuration of heresy and a profession of Faith, in my opinion.


    We can't say 100% yes or no, because the Church has not made a condemnation of the novus ordo...yet.


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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #11 on: July 30, 2024, 09:40:29 PM »
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  • Pax, You quoted the title, not my rhetorical question. 

    The long and the short of it is why are we talking on a different topic that diverts from the OP’s. OP did not ask about going from a protestant denomination to participate in the full life of the Church. 

    No, there is no requirement of a profession of faith when going from Novus Ordo to The Traditional Catholic Mass. (excepting in the case of invalid Baptism and other impediments mentioned here).
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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #12 on: July 31, 2024, 02:43:11 AM »
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  • We went from NO to tradition. No profession of faith was required but we were strongly recommended to follow adult catechism classes.  My first traditional confession was in effect my profession of faith

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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #13 on: July 31, 2024, 07:08:09 AM »
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  • Depends what you mean by going from NO to tradition. SSPV says that anybody's welcome at Mass, but they have a long list of people not allowed to receive Communion, including people who are not NO and who figured that they really were inside of tradition. I don't know what exactly SSPV requires you to do to prove that you're worthy, but their sign at the chapel say that you have to talk to the priest first. 

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    Re: Is a profession of faith required when going from NO to tradition?
    « Reply #14 on: July 31, 2024, 08:11:40 AM »
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    No, there is no requirement of a profession of faith when going from Novus Ordo to The Traditional Catholic Mass.
    There's no requirement ONLY because the Church it's operating effectively today.  If it were, then the novus ordo would be considered a heresy and schismatic sect, just like the Arians and Anglicans, and then, YES, there would be a requirement.  But we're in the middle of a spiritual war, so some things don't happen as they should.


    99% of "catholics" in the novus ordo are material heretics.  A profession of faith and an abjuration of heresy is the normal course of action, to correct such individuals.  It's also a matter of charity (correction of scandal) and justice, since a person who openly and publicly believes in heresy should have to publicly abjure/denounce this heresy, and publicly accept the Faith.  This being so that those who are not part of the novus ordo, but who may be interiorly tempted by this false religion, may see the dangers and errors of this spiritually dangerous "religion".