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« on: September 03, 2021, 08:44:22 AM »
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    Re: Invite people to Church
    « Reply #1 on: September 03, 2021, 11:52:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on September 03, 2021, 08:44:22 AM
    https://archive.org/details/ripperger/Challenge.mp3#

    Invite people to come Mass

    Spoken like a true Indult person:
    You assume we have friends or co-workers, and that those friends/co-workers are IRL or local.
    You assume we have a Mass to attend ourselves.
    You assume a lot.

    And for many of us, unfortunately, you are assuming too much.


    Google the Scripture quote about "casting pearls before swine". That is not the solution for the problems in the world, OR the Crisis in the Church.

    Finagling or schmoozing your non-Catholic friends/co-workers (who have shown ZERO interest) into coming to Mass with you is a simplistic -- and frankly stupid -- idea for how to solve the Crisis in the Church OR avert coming disasters in the world (global communism, collapses, persecution, great resets, etc.)
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    Re: Invite people to Church
    « Reply #2 on: September 03, 2021, 12:29:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on September 03, 2021, 11:52:52 AM
    Spoken like a true Indult person:
    You assume we have friends or co-workers, and that those friends/co-workers are IRL or local.
    You assume we have a Mass to attend ourselves.
    You assume a lot.

    And for many of us, unfortunately, you are assuming too much.


    Google the Scripture quote about "casting pearls before swine". That is not the solution for the problems in the world, OR the Crisis in the Church.

    Finagling or schmoozing your non-Catholic friends/co-workers (who have shown ZERO interest) into coming to Mass with you is a simplistic -- and frankly stupid -- idea for how to solve the Crisis in the Church OR avert coming disasters in the world (global communism, collapses, persecution, great resets, etc.)
    The only good candidate for this strategy is "fallen away" boomer Caths who didn't have a traditional option when the NOM was implemented and became home aloners. Sometimes you meet these people and you can pray the rosary with them and talk about the issues. They don't use the internet so they don't know anybody resisted VII. 
    non-Catholics aren't going to be wooed into the faith just because the Mass "looks cool" or whatever and if they are there is the problem of emotionalism. You need a real foundation for the faith, not sand. I will drop hints in communities I am in to individuals I know have hit ROCK BOTTOM to try praying the Rosary. You have to be selective about this. I have helped a couple of people this way, I personally was converted this way too. This works because Mary WILL lead you to Jesus. Just taking people to Mass makes the person rely on you, rather than Mary and Jesus. Let them come to the conclusion that they need the Mass through Him and Mary.
     
    All in all this is too loaded with presuppositions that aren't helpful. The biggest problem with trads RN is isolation, and the FBI, CIA, Vatican etc wants moral people who desire Christ to feel alone so they can't do anything. We have to remember those docuмents that leaked on how they break consensus online and offline, fragmenting communities and bringing about despair. Indulters trying to Catechize newbies is a huge problem too lol... 
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    Re: Invite people to Church
    « Reply #3 on: September 04, 2021, 04:23:34 PM »
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    • I have to agree with Matthew.  I can’t think of a single person I’d just, “invite” to Mass, if I even had one.  Unbelieving relatives are fallen away Catholics, or rather, baptized Catholics as babies out of pressure from parents or grandparents or because it was a nice tradition and excuse for a welcome party to meet the new baby.  These people were not raised Catholic and have no interest in anything religious.  Most, in fact, have believed the lies and despise religion, those who are religious, and in particular, the Catholic religion, thanks to all the perverts and pedophiles.  My former co-workers were all Protestants of one kind or other.  Most had no use for the Catholic Church, in fact, would be more apt to attend services of non-Christian religions than Catholic.  As for friends, I have really only one, and because she lives over 1000 miles away, I can’t visit.  Besides, she’s already Catholic, and a much holier Catholic than I’ll ever hope to be!  At present, I have no neighbors, unless you count the lady three miles down the road.  I’ve met her a few times and I think she might be gαy.  She’s very masculine in her dress and demeanor. She’s pretty much a stranger who expressed no interest in getting to know me.  She could have invited me inside, but thus far, our only encounters have been at the mailboxes.  At my other “home” the people are elderly and disabled, don’t travel, or are Buddhists!  IOW, I’m not close enough to anyone to even invite them to my home, much less to Mass, that I don’t have.  I could bring my dogs and a cat, but, well, that’s ridiculous.
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    Re: Invite people to Church
    « Reply #4 on: September 05, 2021, 06:17:31 AM »
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    • In Matthew 28:19, our Lord enjoined the apostles, Go therefore and make disciples of all nations.” In Mark 16:15, Jesus commands them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation.”

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    Re: Invite people to Church
    « Reply #5 on: September 05, 2021, 06:19:52 AM »
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    • Take your old church bulletins and post at super markets and community bulletin boards.

    The Protestants mail out post cards to everyone in their towns to come to church.  

    The Protestants have done a good job of inviting Catholics to their churches.  
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    Re: Invite people to Church
    « Reply #6 on: September 05, 2021, 11:10:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on September 05, 2021, 06:17:31 AM
    In Matthew 28:19, our Lord enjoined the apostles, Go therefore and make disciples of all nations.” In Mark 16:15, Jesus commands them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation.”



    I agree, it is the duty of bishops and priests to preach the faith.

    Laymen do not have this as a duty.

    This passage should NOT be privately interpreted to mean that all men are commanded to literally preach the Gospel.
    Do you know who was present when Our Lord gave that command?
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    Re: Invite people to Church
    « Reply #7 on: September 05, 2021, 11:14:14 AM »
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    • The protestants have had success because it's always easy to say "go easier on yourself, go along with human nature, go along with your desires."

    Catholics say "if you're married, and your wife runs off, you must be single until she dies."
    Prots say, "Go ahead and get remarried in such a case."

    In short, Catholics say, "Take up your cross, and come, follow Jesus (in the path of mortification, or death-to-self)" while Protestants basically say, "Do what thou wilt."*

    Which is going to be more popular with fallen human nature?

    Gee, I wonder why Protty churches are so popular? It must be their marketing efforts and strategy.  ::)




    * Yes, I'm making a reference to satanism. In essence, all heretical false-religions serve the devil and lead back to him.
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    Re: Invite people to Church
    « Reply #8 on: September 06, 2021, 07:04:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on September 05, 2021, 11:10:22 AM
    I agree, it is the duty of bishops and priests to preach the faith.

    Laymen do not have this as a duty.

    This passage should NOT be privately interpreted to mean that all men are commanded to literally preach the Gospel.
    Do you know who was present when Our Lord gave that command?
    I agree. We laymen are not commissioned to preach, heck, we're not even supposed to preach. For us, we're supposed to be examples, i.e. the way we live our lives is supposed to be how we to do our inviting to the faith.    
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    Re: Invite people to Church
    « Reply #9 on: September 06, 2021, 02:34:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on September 05, 2021, 06:19:52 AM
    Take your old church bulletins and post at super markets and community bulletin boards.

    The Protestants mail out post cards to everyone in their towns to come to church.  

    The Protestants have done a good job of inviting Catholics to their churches.  
    When I last had a chapel, there was no bulletin.  It was “resistance” and by word of mouth as to time and place, often with little or no notice.  Truthfully, I can’t say I’ve ever gotten any religious literature in the mail.  The closest thing would be finding an occasional JW pamphlet tucked under the windshield wiper when I lived in Ohio in 1990-1992.  It usually happened when parked at the IGA Grocery in back of which was the Kingdom Hall.  The IGA manager was a prominent Baptist, and if the JWs were caught, he’d make them take off the fliers and leave.  Or sometimes in New York, you’d get people from a mega-church shoving tracts into the hands of passers-by.  These mostly ended up littering a block’s worth of sidewalk and curb.  
    Proclaiming the Gospel was not told to the laymen, but to the Apostles, IOW, the bishops.  It doesn’t mean we are to remain silent if given the clear opportunity to share the Faith, but generally, it’s fruitless or sometimes, results in driving others even farther away from God.  Sometimes, it even results in harm to the preacher.  That’s the pearls before swine.  Note that the swine not only trample the pearls, but the one who cast them.  Check the book of Acts where the sons of a high priest undertook to exorcise the demons out of a neighborhood man.  Lacking all authority or personal holiness to perform exorcisms, the demoniac wasn’t delivered and the demons attacked the sons, causing them to flee into the street wounded and naked!  (I can just imagine what their father had to say about it!). 
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    Re: Invite people to Church
    « Reply #10 on: September 08, 2021, 10:45:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on September 05, 2021, 11:14:14 AM
    The protestants have had success because it's always easy to say "go easier on yourself, go along with human nature, go along with your desires."

    Catholics say "if you're married, and your wife runs off, you must be single until she dies."
    Prots say, "Go ahead and get remarried in such a case."

    In short, Catholics say, "Take up your cross, and come, follow Jesus (in the path of mortification, or death-to-self)" while Protestants basically say, "Do what thou wilt."*

    Which is going to be more popular with fallen human nature?

    Gee, I wonder why Protty churches are so popular? It must be their marketing efforts and strategy.  ::)




    * Yes, I'm making a reference to satanism. In essence, all heretical false-religions serve the devil and lead back to him.
    Agreed. Telling people to pray the Rosary or showing them devotions is the only way to "Stay in your Lane" and not undermine the Priesthood. It's bewildering that "RCIA" is run by laypeople. I couldn't believe that when I first found that out. Fitting though I suppose, because most changes to the VII sect ("Eucharistic Lay Ministers" in particular) are designed to minimize the Episcopacy. 
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    Re: Invite people to Church
    « Reply #11 on: September 08, 2021, 10:53:27 AM »
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    • I HAVE suggested that people should pray the Rosary and see what happens, if they express a desire or openness to wanting spiritual guidance or support.  “It couldn’t make things worse!”
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