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Inform Priest about Sacrilegeous Communicant
« on: September 18, 2018, 02:09:36 PM »
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    • I happened to find out that a person is living in sin and knowingly going to Communion in a state of sin.

    Revealing this sin would be a grave sin of detraction.

    Can I, or even, should I inform the priest at his church so that he would not give him Communion?
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    Re: Inform Priest about Sacrilegeous Communicant
    « Reply #1 on: September 18, 2018, 02:17:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on September 18, 2018, 02:09:36 PM
    I happened to find out that a person is living in sin and knowingly going to Communion in a state of sin.

    Revealing this sin would be a grave sin of detraction.

    Can I, or even, should I inform the priest at his church so that he would not give him Communion?
    Gossip is not good.
    According to the Holy Scriptures, if you witness a person sinning, then you should at the proper moment carefully and gently correct him in private. If you witness him sinning again, then take the matter to the priest.
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    Re: Inform Priest about Sacrilegeous Communicant
    « Reply #2 on: September 18, 2018, 02:37:34 PM »
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    • Be positively sure of your facts before you take such action.  And make sure you don't sin trying to gather them.
    There may be circuмstances that you don't know and frankly are none of your business.
    They may have committed a sin in public and were absolved in private.
    I knew a couple married outside the church with a big wedding.  A few years later when they came to
    their senses they were quietly married in the church.  To all it looked as though they were living in sin.
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    Re: Inform Priest about Sacrilegeous Communicant
    « Reply #3 on: September 18, 2018, 04:39:54 PM »
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    • Did you approach the couple first?  If not, you may not tell the priest.  Don't know them well enough to speak with them?  Then MYOB.  There are probably many things you don't know, and should not interfere.
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    Re: Inform Priest about Sacrilegeous Communicant
    « Reply #4 on: September 18, 2018, 08:15:40 PM »
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    • Agree.  Stay out of it.  If it’s public knowledge that the couple is sinning then it’ll eventually be known by the priest.  
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    Re: Inform Priest about Sacrilegeous Communicant
    « Reply #5 on: September 18, 2018, 08:36:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on September 18, 2018, 04:39:54 PM
    Did you approach the couple first?  If not, you may not tell the priest.  Don't know them well enough to speak with them?  Then MYOB.  There are probably many things you don't know, and should not interfere.
    This.
    You would have to know them -- and KNOW that they are not married. There is so much you could be ignorant of; it's really none of your business.
    Marriage is a public, social fact -- but it's not the job of random parish busybodies to verify that everyone at the chapel is properly married.
    If you know the person at all, and you really have good reason to suspect they are living in sin, then why not broach the subject with them first?
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    Re: Inform Priest about Sacrilegeous Communicant
    « Reply #6 on: September 19, 2018, 08:23:44 AM »
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    • This has nothing to do with a couple.  Basically it involves some correspondence that I inadvertantly saw where the party admits that he's in a state of sin (unrepentant) and going to Communion anyway, knowing they're sacrilegeous Communions.  Normally it would be detraction to reveal this sin.  Sometimes with detraction, however, sufficient grave reason, such as potential harm to a third party, would warrant revealing the information.  In this case the grave injury would be to Our Lord in a sacrilegeous Communion.  Obviously I'll ask a priest about this, but I am interested in anyone's opinions.  I am not making "inferences" about whether or not the person might be in a state of sin ... as most of these posts suggest.
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    Re: Inform Priest about Sacrilegeous Communicant
    « Reply #7 on: September 19, 2018, 08:59:11 AM »
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    • Ok, so person X wrote the letter a week ago and admitted he was going to communion in the state of sin.  What if he's gone to confession since then and confessed everything?  How would you know?  You wouldn't, so stay out of it.
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    Re: Inform Priest about Sacrilegeous Communicant
    « Reply #8 on: September 19, 2018, 09:20:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on September 19, 2018, 08:23:44 AM
    This has nothing to do with a couple.  Basically it involves some correspondence that I inadvertantly saw where the party admits that he's in a state of sin (unrepentant) and going to Communion anyway, knowing they're sacrilegeous Communions.  Normally it would be detraction to reveal this sin.  Sometimes with detraction, however, sufficient grave reason, such as potential harm to a third party, would warrant revealing the information.  In this case the grave injury would be to Our Lord in a sacrilegeous Communion.  Obviously I'll ask a priest about this, but I am interested in anyone's opinions.  I am not making "inferences" about whether or not the person might be in a state of sin ... as most of these posts suggest.
    The way you write, you sound like a man. Go ahead and tell the priest, it is actually for the good of the soul of the person that he stop willingly partaking in sacrilegious communions. Don't be surprised if the priest does nothing. You did your job, let God handle it from there.
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    Re: Inform Priest about Sacrilegeous Communicant
    « Reply #9 on: September 19, 2018, 09:21:41 AM »
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    • The way you write, you sound like a man. Go ahead and tell the priest, it is actually for the good of the soul of the person that he stop willingly partaking in sacrilegious communions. Don't be surprised if the priest does nothing. You did your job, let God handle it from there.



    That was me who wrote that.
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    Re: Inform Priest about Sacrilegeous Communicant
    « Reply #10 on: September 19, 2018, 10:18:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on September 19, 2018, 08:59:11 AM
    Ok, so person X wrote the letter a week ago and admitted he was going to communion in the state of sin.  What if he's gone to confession since then and confessed everything?  How would you know?  You wouldn't, so stay out of it.

    It was clear that he had no intention to stop ... either his sins or the Communions.
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    Re: Inform Priest about Sacrilegeous Communicant
    « Reply #11 on: September 19, 2018, 10:24:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on September 19, 2018, 08:23:44 AM
    This has nothing to do with a couple.  Basically it involves some correspondence that I inadvertantly saw where the party admits that he's in a state of sin (unrepentant) and going to Communion anyway, knowing they're sacrilegeous Communions.  Normally it would be detraction to reveal this sin.  Sometimes with detraction, however, sufficient grave reason, such as potential harm to a third party, would warrant revealing the information.  In this case the grave injury would be to Our Lord in a sacrilegeous Communion.  Obviously I'll ask a priest about this, but I am interested in anyone's opinions.  I am not making "inferences" about whether or not the person might be in a state of sin ... as most of these posts suggest.
    Go ahead and ask the priest, not mentioning any names.
    But it sounds like it's a matter of the internal forum -- not public sin. Public sin is something anyone COULD, at least theoretically, discover. Even if it's not worldwide famous, if it's a matter of public record (e.g., marriages are logged publicly by the state) or a woman is known by some to prostitute herself in a part of town notorious for this activity (but few Catholics ever go to that seedy area of town) that's still "public".
    A priest can only refuse Communion to a public sinner.
    It sounds like you should confront the individual yourself. A good chance to admonish the sinner, know what I mean?
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    Re: Inform Priest about Sacrilegeous Communicant
    « Reply #12 on: September 19, 2018, 10:39:31 AM »
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    • The priest couldn't take action on any of this.  A letter is not proof of anything. 
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    Re: Inform Priest about Sacrilegeous Communicant
    « Reply #13 on: September 19, 2018, 10:40:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on September 19, 2018, 10:24:00 AM
    Go ahead and ask the priest, not mentioning any names.
    But it sounds like it's a matter of the internal forum -- not public sin. Public sin is something anyone COULD, at least theoretically, discover. Even if it's not worldwide famous, if it's a matter of public record (e.g., marriages are logged publicly by the state) or a woman is known by some to prostitute herself in a part of town notorious for this activity (but few Catholics ever go to that seedy area of town) that's still "public".
    A priest can only refuse Communion to a public sinner.
    It sounds like you should confront the individual yourself. A good chance to admonish the sinner, know what I mean?

    Yes, I think this would be tied into the definition of public sin.

    But, you're right, that if you found out that someone was planning to hurt someone else, you'd have a right and obligation to reveal that.

    Best to consult with a priest.
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    Re: Inform Priest about Sacrilegeous Communicant
    « Reply #14 on: September 19, 2018, 11:39:05 AM »
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    Basically it involves some correspondence that I inadvertantly saw where the party admits that he's in a state of sin (unrepentant) and going to Communion anyway, knowing they're sacrilegeous Communions.
    You accidentally saw correspondence, meaning you weren't supposed to see this information, meaning it's not public.  If the person told you directly, that's a different story.  This is not a public sin and i'm not sure what the priest could do?  How could the priest corroborate what you saw?  What if the priest asked the person and they denied it?  What does that solve?  Unless this person is going around telling everyone that he's going to communion in sin, then it's a private matter.  The only person who could bring this to the attention of the priest is the person who recieved the original correspondence because they have proof of what was said.
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