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Indult Mass at Sanford Florida SSPX Chapel
« on: September 15, 2019, 01:13:32 PM »
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  • For all of you SSPX traditionalists who left your diocese Traditional Latin Indult mass when you learned that the new Novus Ordo ordinations (and the new Novus Ordo formula for consecration bishops) may not create priests or bishops, that your “priest” offering the Latin Mass may not be a priest, I have some news. Also for those that left the Fraternity of St. Peter for the same reason:

    The Sanford Florida Priory chapel is now offering the Indult Mass, complete with a Novus Ordo ordained “priest” performing the Latin Mass.  The “priest” was formerly doing the same at the SSPX Phoenix chapel.  The congregation is Sanford Florida can now go to confession and receive host consecrated by this priest.  I believe the “priest” left the Novus Ordo, so he not only may not be a priest, but he is in schism with the Novus Ordo Sect that calls itself the Catholic church.

    He’ s been their  one month but nobody knows that he is a Novus Ordo ordained priest, because the prior has not said anything, moreover, practically nobody even knows his name because it was only announced like once if that.

    Welcome to the indult mass at the Sanford SSPX chapel.

     

    Now, for that “priest” a friendly suggestion, if were conditionally ordained in the old rite by a traditional consecration formula bishop, please announce it from the pulpit. If you are not, then go do it right away, and you will eliminate any doubts. Don’t be a hardhead; it is the only way you will be fully accepted by real traditionalist. By the way, your sermons are excellent, but so would mine be, but I am not a priest, I know that for sure, but we do not know for sure if you are, so get rid of our doubt and get conditionally ordained.

     

    P.S. -  Notice I say may not be a priest and I talk about doubt.  That doubt can never be removed, it will never go away (except in the unlikely event that God decides to turn a valid priest green). Until then, get conditionally ordained and announce the good news boldly.

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    Re: Indult Mass at Sanford Florida SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #1 on: September 15, 2019, 04:11:30 PM »
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  • All those who come under "dioceses", you call indult, support abortion.  You did say, did you not?  He is a "priest" of new order?  If he is indult, he is dioceses, right?  If so, they put their money to the federal, who puts their money in "catholic charities".   They support abortion, homosexuals and such. Besides,Novus Ordo do not consecrate.  Holy Orders are no good. They make no priest. What good is a conditional?  Have him start from the beginning, a good seminary with "Truth" taught!


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    Re: Indult Mass at Sanford Florida SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #2 on: September 15, 2019, 05:05:23 PM »
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  • So, the Sanford Florida SSPX Priory chapel is now allowing a Novus Ordo ordained man to perform the Latin Mass, and has put the SSPX congregation in a position of unknowingly attending a false mass, false confession, and false communion.

    Instead of guarding the flock, they sold out to the  wolves.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 15, 2019, 05:12:53 PM »
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  • All those who come under "dioceses", you call indult, support abortion.  You did say, did you not?  He is a "priest" of new order?  If he is indult, he is dioceses, right?  If so, they put their money to the federal, who puts their money in "catholic charities".   They support abortion, homosexuals and such. Besides,Novus Ordo do not consecrate.  Holy Orders are no good. They make no priest. What good is a conditional?  Have him start from the beginning, a good seminary with "Truth" taught!
    Also accomplice to sin of sodomy and sex abuse , feminism. Etc.  because that is what Rome is pushing for. 

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    Re: Indult Mass at Sanford Florida SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #4 on: September 16, 2019, 12:59:03 AM »
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  • So, the Sanford Florida SSPX Priory chapel is now allowing a Novus Ordo ordained man to perform the Latin Mass, and has put the SSPX congregation in a position of unknowingly attending a false mass, false confession, and false communion.

    Instead of guarding the flock, they sold out to the  wolves.

    The SSPX has been doing this for years, as far back as in the days of Archbishop Lefebvre.  Archbishop Lefebvre recognized the validity of the new rite of ordination. He did not require conditional ordination for priests wishing to work with the SSPX but only did so if the priest had doubts.  There was a Fr Stark in the early days who was a Jesuit ordained in the new rite and worked with the SSPX, another was Fr Glover who was a canon lawyer.  Neither were conditionally ordained.  Archbishop Lefebvre even used the new rite himself when he ordained Fr Cottard in 1973 at Fontgombault. Fr Cottard is still in the SSPX and attended the General Chapter which elected Fr Pagliarani.  No doubt there were, and are, others.

    So a novus ordo priest saying Mass in an SSPX chapel shouldn’t be surprising.  There were some SSPX priests who met with Archbishop Lefebvre in the early 1980s and requested that he institute a policy that all novus ordo priests who work with the SSPX be conditionally ordained, because, like you, they were deeply concerned about people unknowingly attending a false mass, false confession, and false communion.  Sadly, the Archbishop refused and, instead of listening to the concerns of priests wishing to guard their flocks, he expelled them.  There were nine of them.

    The SSPX has not only had novus ordo priests, but they now have a retired bishop in Switzerland saying “Mass” and no doubt hearing “confessions”.  But this is not a new thing either.  There was a retired bishop from the Philippines, Bishop Lazo, who began helping the SSPX in the late 1990s.  He also did “confirmations” and assisted at ordinations.

    I certainly do not agree with any of this, and find it irresponsible to say the least.  I am only pointing it out because many people believe this to be a recent problem, but unfortunately it isn’t.  Archbishop Lefebvre wasn't perfect after all.


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    Re: Indult Mass at Sanford Florida SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #5 on: September 16, 2019, 01:31:01 AM »
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  • The whole point of the SSPX was to form and educate in order to obtain holy priests. 

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    « Reply #6 on: September 16, 2019, 05:29:17 AM »
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  • The whole point of the SSPX was to form and educate in order to obtain holy priests.
    I don't accept that it was ever the "whole point." 
    +ABL wanted to maintain tradition for the Church, since men came to him to ask him what they should do about not being able to find a decent Catholic seminary. It was also about retaining proper Catholic teaching, along with proper formation. Due to Econe speaking out against Vll, Rome sent a visitation to the seminary. That's when things began to unravel, but +ABL stood firm in maintain tradition, even though he was eventually suspended, and he was told to not ordain any more priests. But he didn't listen to Modernist Rome.
    So you see, it wasn't only about forming and educating. it was also about speaking out against error.

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    Re: Indult Mass at Sanford Florida SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #7 on: September 16, 2019, 06:55:27 AM »
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  • The whole point of the SSPX was to form and educate in order to obtain holy priests.
    The whole point of gunpowder is to make fireworks. NOT! 


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    Re: Indult Mass at Sanford Florida SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #8 on: September 16, 2019, 07:16:41 AM »
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  • The SSPX has been doing this for years, as far back as in the days of Archbishop Lefebvre.  Archbishop Lefebvre recognized the validity of the new rite of ordination. He did not require conditional ordination for priests wishing to work with the SSPX but only did so if the priest had doubts.  There was a Fr Stark in the early days who was a Jesuit ordained in the new rite and worked with the SSPX, another was Fr Glover who was a canon lawyer.  Neither were conditionally ordained.  Archbishop Lefebvre even used the new rite himself when he ordained Fr Cottard in 1973 at Fontgombault. Fr Cottard is still in the SSPX and attended the General Chapter which elected Fr Pagliarani.  No doubt there were, and are, others.

    So a novus ordo priest saying Mass in an SSPX chapel shouldn’t be surprising.  There were some SSPX priests who met with Archbishop Lefebvre in the early 1980s and requested that he institute a policy that all novus ordo priests who work with the SSPX be conditionally ordained, because, like you, they were deeply concerned about people unknowingly attending a false mass, false confession, and false communion.  Sadly, the Archbishop refused and, instead of listening to the concerns of priests wishing to guard their flocks, he expelled them.  There were nine of them.

    The SSPX has not only had novus ordo priests, but they now have a retired bishop in Switzerland saying “Mass” and no doubt hearing “confessions”.  But this is not a new thing either.  There was a retired bishop from the Philippines, Bishop Lazo, who began helping the SSPX in the late 1990s.  He also did “confirmations” and assisted at ordinations.

    I certainly do not agree with any of this, and find it irresponsible to say the least.  I am only pointing it out because many people believe this to be a recent problem, but unfortunately it isn’t.  Archbishop Lefebvre wasn't perfect after all.
    1) Fr. Peter Scott wrote an article insisting on the conditional ordination of all conciliar clergy, which would seem to oppose your claims;
    2) Regarding Bishop Lazo, though he was not consecrated Bishop in the old Rite, he was ordained priest in the old Rite, and in necessity a simple priest can be given supplied jurisdiction to confirm.

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    Re: Indult Mass at Sanford Florida SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #9 on: September 16, 2019, 07:26:19 AM »
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  • He’ s been their  one month but nobody knows that he is a Novus Ordo ordained priest, because the prior has not said anything, moreover, practically nobody even knows his name because it was only announced like once if that.
    The invisible non-priest. Unknown and no name. Great facts.  :facepalm:

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    « Reply #10 on: September 16, 2019, 09:20:50 AM »
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  • OK, I found the information on the Novus Ordo priest’s name, he is Fr. David Phillipson, here’s a link from CI from when he was at Phoenix: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-transfer-this-summer/


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    « Reply #11 on: September 16, 2019, 06:54:55 PM »
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  • He received his priestly formation via Skype from the SSPX. Apparently he refused to attend training at STAS and SSPX agreed online correspondence.

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    Re: Indult Mass at Sanford Florida SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #12 on: September 16, 2019, 07:27:16 PM »
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  • 1) Fr. Peter Scott wrote an article insisting on the conditional ordination of all conciliar clergy, which would seem to oppose your claims;
    2) Regarding Bishop Lazo, though he was not consecrated Bishop in the old Rite, he was ordained priest in the old Rite, and in necessity a simple priest can be given supplied jurisdiction to confirm.

    Fr Peter Scott has one opinion, Archbishop Lefebvre had another (which changed throughout the years).  Fr X has another opinion, Fr Y has another.  That is the SSPX in a nutshell.  And so everyone has a different opinion on a whole range of issues (pope or no pope - Catholic or conciliar church - new ordinations rites valid or invalid - old or new fast and abstinence laws - old or new holy days of obligation - strictly 1962 missal or bits of the pre-1955 missal thrown in - "deal with Rome" good or bad), and that is why the SSPX is in such a mess.

    With regards to Bishop Lazo, the 1917 Code of Canon Law required a simple priest to obtain permission from the Holy See to administer the Sacrament of Confirmation.  The 1983 Code apparently allows the diocesan bishop to grant permission.  Bishop Lazo presumably had none of the required permissions (since he was working with the SSPX at the time) so they are objectively invalid.  The supplied jurisdiction card has been played to death.  You cannot rely on supplied jurisdiction willy-nilly, otherwise there is no point to ordinary jurisdiction and of having a hierarchy.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 16, 2019, 07:32:12 PM »
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  • Fr Peter Scott has one opinion, Archbishop Lefebvre had another (which changed throughout the years).  Fr X has another opinion, Fr Y has another.  That is the SSPX in a nutshell.  And so everyone has a different opinion on a whole range of issues (pope or no
    pope - Catholic or conciliar church - new ordinations rites valid or invalid - old or new fast and abstinence laws - old or new holy days of obligation - strictly 1962 missal or bits of the pre-1955 missal thrown in - "deal with Rome" good or bad), and that is why the SSPX is in such a mess.

    With regards to Bishop Lazo, the 1917 Code of Canon Law required a simple priest to obtain permission from the Holy See to administer the Sacrament of Confirmation.  The 1983 Code apparently allows the diocesan bishop to grant permission.  Bishop Lazo presumably had none of the required permissions (since he was working with the SSPX at the time) so they are objectively invalid.  The supplied jurisdiction card has been played to death.  You cannot rely on supplied jurisdiction willy-nilly, otherwise there is no point to ordinary jurisdiction and of having a hierarchy.
    So what is your solution to the problem with supplied jurisdiction? 

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    Re: Indult Mass at Sanford Florida SSPX Chapel
    « Reply #14 on: September 17, 2019, 01:09:19 AM »
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  • OK, I found the information on the Novus Ordo priest’s name, he is Fr. David Phillipson, here’s a link from CI from when he was at Phoenix: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-transfer-this-summer/
    In the link one will find that this FR. Phillipson was transferred in August 2017 from the SSPX Phoenix chapel to the Benedictine Monastery in Silver City, New Mexico.  My question is why would they need him or any priest in the monastery since they had at least two Benedictine priests their already? I would think that having the choice  of a Novus Ordo ordained priest or an SSPX ordained Benedictine priest for mass created quite a stir.

     

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