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In the SSPX, is it taught...
« on: October 26, 2012, 03:57:42 AM »
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  • ...that Orthodox and protestants are saved, too, if they're not in mortal sin, that is, if being schismatic and manifesting such heresy is not a mortal sin, and they believe in Christ, and serve and love Him? Or does the SSPX teach Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus applies strictly to Catholics, only, who are in communion with the Chair of Peter (whether vacant or filled)?  

    So in other words, if the Oriental/Eastern Orthodox and protestants are not considered to be a part of the Catholic Church, even imperfectly as it would be, its members will be damned even if they do their best in living a holy life and following Christ?  Please, only answer if you're SSPX, or attend a SSPX chapel and you're are knowledgeable with this dogma.  


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    In the SSPX, is it taught...
    « Reply #1 on: October 26, 2012, 07:23:16 AM »
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  • Quote from: Archbishop Lefebvre
    ... The Church is the one ark of salvation, and we must not be afraid to affirm it.  You have often heard it said, “Outside the Church there is no salvation”--a dictum which offends contemporary minds. It is easy to believe that this doctrine is no longer in effect, that it has been dropped. It seems excessively severe.

    Yet nothing, in fact, has changed;  nothing can be changed in this area. Our Lord did not found a number of churches: He founded only One.  There is only one Cross by which we can be saved, and that Cross has been given to the Catholic Church. It has not been given to others.  To His Church, His mystical bride, Christ has given all graces.  No grace in the world, no grace in the history of humanity is distributed except through her.

    Does that mean that no Protestant, no Muslim, no Buddhist or animist will be saved? No, it would be a second error to think that. Those who cry for intolerance in interpreting St. Cyprian's formula, “Outside the Church there is no salvation,” also reject the Creed, “I confess one baptism for the remission of sins,” and are insufficiently instructed as to what baptism is. There are three ways of receiving it: the baptism of water; the baptism of blood (that of the martyrs who confessed the faith while still catechumens) and baptism of desire.

    Baptism of desire can be explicit. Many times in Africa I heard one of our catechumens say to me, “Father, baptize me straightaway because if I die before you come again, I shall go to hell.” I told him “No, if you have no mortal sin on your conscience and if you desire baptism, then you already have the grace in you.”

    The doctrine of the Church also recognizes implicit baptism of desire.  This consists in doing the will of God. God knows all men and He knows that amongst Protestants, Muslims, Buddhists and in the whole of humanity there are men of good will. They receive the grace of baptism without knowing it, but in an effective way. In this way they become part of the Church.

    The error consists in thinking that they are saved by their religion.  They are saved in their religion but not by it. There is no Buddhist church in heaven, no Protestant church. This is perhaps hard to accept, but it is the truth. I did not found the Church, but rather Our Lord the Son of God.  As priests we must state the truth.



    http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/OpenLetterToConfusedCatholics/Chapter-10.htm


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    In the SSPX, is it taught...
    « Reply #2 on: October 26, 2012, 08:06:06 AM »
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  • Quote from: Archbishop Lefebvre
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    Great quote. Thanks.

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    In the SSPX, is it taught...
    « Reply #3 on: October 26, 2012, 09:24:13 PM »
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  • They teach whatever Bishop Fellay has decided is conveniently true today.

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    In the SSPX, is it taught...
    « Reply #4 on: October 26, 2012, 09:25:09 PM »
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  • The above post was by Sigismund.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir