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Re: Immodest outfits
« Reply #105 on: Yesterday at 04:01:57 PM »
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  • 1950s outfits were not modest. Taking cold showers is a meme, fasting to supposed to help with lust but for me it does the opposite. It is not extreme for Catholics to dress up according to the standards set by Pope Pius XI, it is everyone else who is too far gone. It is very displeasing to our Lord and Lady to dress immodestly, especially before His face in the Church. You need to wake up from your lukewarmness.
    I hope I’m not lukewarm. Obviously all of us have imperfections and as a sanguine, extroverted, probably over confident person I’m probably prone to be flippant about things I shouldn’t be. I do understand that there’s a serious issue with both women and men thinking they can do anything they like with no consequences. I just think going too much to the other extreme as Catholics it makes us sin in another way… being too scrupulous, puritanical, judgmental, proud…that’s the way the Devil gets hold of devout Catholics sometimes. Not accusing anyone of anything… just throwing that thought in the mix. 

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    Re: Immodest outfits
    « Reply #106 on: Yesterday at 04:32:52 PM »
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  • There is a huge gulf between what is modest and modern immodest attire. You have to realize that.

    I also like the post that mentioned how GOD is also offended by immodesty -- regardless of how many men are around, how virtuous they are, how many sins they commit as a result of your clothing choices, etc. That totally smashes the default, "Well, that's your problem. Grow some virtue, bro! Not my problem!" argument.

    The worst women dress absolutely, literally the same as 304s (What is a 304? Type in "304" into your calculator and flip it upside down. It spells out "h o e"). Literal women-of-the-night. The World's Oldest Profession.

    But there is a much larger group of women who dress *almost* as bad. And an even larger group who dress only TWO STEPS below full-on-304.

    Let's do a quick exercise in objectivity. What would a woman look like in her underwear. Now show me a picture of the typical female in shorts. Note how there is no difference in how much flesh is covered below the waist. It is LITERALLY the same as women walking around in their underwear. Now let's be real. When you are sitting in front of a steaming plate of food (say, a thanksgiving feast), it is NORMAL to salivate and anticipate enjoying that food. You don't normally sit in front of a plate of food like that, without being ABOUT TO EAT IT. Let's be realistic here. You don't blame a guy for being hungry (and having his hunger stoked), salivating, increasing his desire to eat, etc. when EVERY SIGNAL is telling his body he's about to enjoy a thanksgiving feast. It's BIOLOGY for crying out loud. It's how God created the human body, its digestive system, etc. Now apply this to another natural appetite, and you should see the issue.

    We have to go back to the principles of modesty, and throw off the "conservative vs liberal" paradigm, the "overton window" of what is acceptable. Because that window is always moving -- and always in the wrong direction (towards Hell, to be honest).

    One of the most shocking things a woman can learn is that womens' dress, in terms of modesty, has been bad for over a hundred years. As in, even a woman born in 1910 or 1915 would have dressed quite poorly, in many ways, and you couldn't go to her for "how to dress" advice. You have to go BEFORE THAT generation.
    But even those born in 1910 aren't around anymore. So you see the problem?

    Women have to dress counter-culture to be modest -- that is, women of ALL generations you can name: Gen Alpha, Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, Boomers, Greatest Generation, and Silent Generation. ALL of them would have had to go against the current, to dress modestly. Just goes to show what a grip satan has on this world.
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    « Reply #107 on: Yesterday at 05:48:40 PM »
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  • An outstanding book on the subject of immodesty -- "Satan's favorite virtue."


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    « Reply #108 on: Yesterday at 05:53:33 PM »
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  • Yes, let’s not appeal to the 1950s as the benchmark for modesty.  It wasn’t.  St Padre Pio was throwing women out of the confessional for 1950s immodesty.  

    Men are often told to practice “custody of the eyes”.  Yet I don’t hear women being told to practice “custody of the skin”.   It’s the same principle.  The 50s showed a lot of skin.  It was 1,000x more modest than today, but still not the catholic ideal.  

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  • So, instead of all complaints about immodest clothing on women, can we please have some examples of what women should wear, today, 2025? 


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    « Reply #110 on: Today at 03:57:06 PM »
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  • So, instead of all complaints about immodest clothing on women, can we please have some examples of what women should wear, today, 2025?
    Complaints?  You mean, how Our Lady complained that most people go to hell because of impurity?  That kind of complaint?

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    « Reply #111 on: Today at 03:58:31 PM »
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  • My male neighbor walks around his front yard in only his boxer briefs. There is little left to the imagination and we never know when he is going to pop out of the house like this! Immodest and a lack of decorum, manners and respect for others.

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    Re: Immodest outfits
    « Reply #112 on: Today at 04:15:32 PM »
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  • So, instead of all complaints about immodest clothing on women, can we please have some examples of what women should wear, today, 2025?
    I don't think immodest dress is due to lack of knowledge regarding modest dress. It's more probable these women choose to wear what they wear because they want to wear it
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


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    Re: Immodest outfits
    « Reply #113 on: Today at 04:33:38 PM »
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  • The worst women dress absolutely, literally the same as 304s (What is a 304? Type in "304" into your calculator and flip it upside down. It spells out "h o e"). Literal women-of-the-night. The World's Oldest Profession.

    There are parts of our city, near the freeway interchanges, that are well-known for street prostitution.  Many times, women who are presumably among this cohort dress more decently than their counterparts who aren't in that trade.  I had to go to a store in one of those areas yesterday, and I saw a young woman who in all likelihood was a streetwalker --- I just got that vibe --- and she was actually dressed fairly decently for these times.  Some of them choose not to attract undue attention to themselves.

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    Re: Immodest outfits
    « Reply #114 on: Today at 08:52:59 PM »
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  • Complaints?  You mean, how Our Lady complained that most people go to hell because of impurity?  That kind of complaint?
    You, (I’m assuming you’re male) have the audacity to use Our Lady in making a snide  comeback to my inquiry?  This in itself indicates to me, a lack of respect for others on this forum.  Your question presumes I discount Our Lady and Her warnings about impurity! IOW, I think, “Immodesty is not a serious problem, so quit complaining?”  
    No, it’s not “that kind of complaint!”  

    I’m referring to concrete suggestions for remedying the very real problem of immodesty instead of post after post describing what’s unacceptable. Let’s see some pictures of how women (and men) should dress for Mass, for work, for shopping, for every day around the house, for doing heavy work around the house and yard, in the barn, working on vehicles, etc.

    In addition to pictures or photos, include where the average Catholic can acquire the clothing at a reasonable price. Most women and nearly no men are seamstresses in 2025. To have clothing made to order is prohibitively expensive, not a realistic solution. Neither is, “Well, learn how to sew.” The ability to sew high quality, well-tailored garments is not a skill one learns in a few classes at Hobby Lobby. Becoming a master seamstress (seamster in PC-speak) or tailor takes a minimum of a year of study followed by 5-8 years apprenticeship. 
    Most formal training is not to be had in the US. The main countries at present are Vietnam, China, Pakistan, and India. For tailoring, (men’s clothing) the best country is Italy. 
    Most people who can really sew in the US are those who grow up learning it at home from early childhood, such as the Amish. Most Traditional Catholics have not grown up with homemaking, cooking, sewing, building, home repair, auto repair and maintenance, vegetable gardening, animal husbandry, or anything in the way of practical, hands-on skills. 
    We have to deal with reality. I'd like to see real solutions for the immodesty problem. 

    p.s. If you don’t have any, just say so! Please, no snarky replies. And leave Our Lady out of it!  


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    Re: Immodest outfits
    « Reply #115 on: Today at 10:02:48 PM »
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  • I’m referring to concrete suggestions for remedying the very real problem of immodesty instead of post after post describing what’s unacceptable. Let’s see some pictures of how women (and men) should dress for Mass, for work, for shopping, for every day around the house, for doing heavy work around the house and yard, in the barn, working on vehicles, etc.

    In addition to pictures or photos, include where the average Catholic can acquire the clothing at a reasonable price. Most women and nearly no men are seamstresses in 2025. To have clothing made to order is prohibitively expensive, not a realistic solution. Neither is, “Well, learn how to sew.” The ability to sew high quality, well-tailored garments is not a skill one learns in a few classes at Hobby Lobby. Becoming a master seamstress (seamster in PC-speak) or tailor takes a minimum of a year of study followed by 5-8 years apprenticeship.
    Most formal training is not to be had in the US. The main countries at present are Vietnam, China, Pakistan, and India. For tailoring, (men’s clothing) the best country is Italy.
    Most people who can really sew in the US are those who grow up learning it at home from early childhood, such as the Amish. Most Traditional Catholics have not grown up with homemaking, cooking, sewing, building, home repair, auto repair and maintenance, vegetable gardening, animal husbandry, or anything in the way of practical, hands-on skills.
    We have to deal with reality. I'd like to see real solutions for the immodesty problem.

    p.s. If you don’t have any, just say so! Please, no snarky replies. And leave Our Lady out of it! 
    I searched "vintage skirt" on eBay, set the skirt length to "long", set material to cotton, wool, linen, and silk, price under $30, and seller location "USA"

    Result: 5,500+ listings

    Some look nice, others not so much..a lady would have to put in some work sifting through it, maybe filtering it down a bit more, size of course, different skirt types, patterns, etc.

    I do genuinely believe most women, if they practiced sewing 60 minutes a day, would be making simple, wearable skirts within a month and dresses within several. It's really not as hard as you might think

    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


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    Re: Immodest outfits
    « Reply #116 on: Today at 10:50:05 PM »
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  • You, (I’m assuming you’re male) have the audacity to use Our Lady in making a snide  comeback to my inquiry?  This in itself indicates to me, a lack of respect for others on this forum.  Your question presumes I discount Our Lady and Her warnings about impurity! IOW, I think, “Immodesty is not a serious problem, so quit complaining?” 
    No, it’s not “that kind of complaint!”  
    Your use of the word complaint, implied that the person's problem with immodesty was not genuine or was frivolous.  Complaint was the wrong word.  Immodesty is a major problem.  Pointing this out isn't a complaint; it's serious.