You guys are what has turned many Trad chapels into cults that nobody wants to come near.
Oh I wish. Even at Resistance chapels, women haven't learned to be modest. At least they manage to wear veils and dresses, but I have seen short skirts even there, immodest wedding dresses, etc.
Once someone is at the rail, unless there's an obvious violation of modesty, the priest is actually not allowed to turn someone away just because "I don't know you". In fact, I found this out later, to my surprise, that a priest cannot turn someoen away even if he knows about some sin the individual is engaged in (knowledge from outside the Confessional) ... unless the sin is notorious and widely known or public.
No, he is actually not only allowed, but even
instructed to do exactly that, per the decree of Pope Pius XI, which, if you ignore the post-VII popes, is still in effect:
https://motherofgodlibrary.org/2021/08/02/a-papal-decree-concerning-modesty-pope-pius-xi-1930/Here's just some of the content of Pius XI, which seems "cultish" nowadays:
9. Women and girls who wear immodest clothes are to be prohibited from Holy Communion and from the office of sponsor in the sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation, and in certain cases, they are to be prohibited even from entry into the church.
Now, what are "immodest clothes" according to the 1930s standards? No, it's not just "long skirt and veil":
A dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat; which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows; and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knees. Furthermore, dresses of transparent materials are improper.
See, here's a picture of the "average" dress standard in the 1910s vs the 1950s dress (I'm not posting the 1980s version as it's too immodest):
Do you notice a difference from the 1910s to the 1950s?
- The sleeves are covered beyond the elbows
- The front is like a mens shirt, buttoned up in the front
- There's no back cutout
- There's no cleavage
- The dress is just straight down, actually almost to the ankles
- The dress is not trying to create unnecessary attention
Probably the people on here would tell me how the 1950s version is "yeah, trad enough" or how marriage dresses with spaghetti straps are okay or, or, or, ... just because men have become such absolute WUSSIES that they cannot tell women to say NO, I invoke Pope Pius XI, go and get dressed properly, and by properly I mean proper-properly!
I probably come off as "angry incel" (can already hear the whining), but I'm just so utterly done with women at this point (I'm 27), and especially with their fathers and the weak SSPX priests. What the priest did was correct (maybe except that barring entry is done usually only for severe immodesty, but definitely barring communion). But in our degenerate days I'll 100% back a priest who has the guts to actually stand up rather than to drag him down for not being "pastoral" enough. Remember what got us in this crisis? Pastoral-ism. Trying to "be nice".
Especially the priests DO actually have the power to tell the women "go and get dressed properly or no communion for you, Pope Pius XI said so, period, out". And if women then want to throw a tantrum, let them. But every time I see "Resistance" women maybe even dressing properly to Church and then posting themselves in... lighter clothing... on their WhatsApp Status, I just think of what God will say to them. Oh, because it makes them "feel cute".
Or they even send their daughters to public school in gym classes, with gymnastic suits, dancing lessons, bathing suits in the public schools PE (I've seen it in the SSPX). And then the same daughters come back to Mass on Sunday. Kyrie eleison. And then I try to talk to these fathers and they are just "well I did say something, my wife doesn't listen". And then the next generation of men is supposed to marry these badly raised daughters and somehow guide his woman to Christ, when she's already trained from childhood on immodesty?
The entire Church Crisis was because of Man wanting attention towards himself rather than attention towards God. True female beauty lies in a gentle voice, a respectable attire and some "ladylike" behaviour. Trust me, the sɛҳuąƖ attention comes by itself, you have to be very very ugly as a woman to not be wanted for that. But the true attention is because of a love and respect for the character of a woman, and the externalities simply say a lot about the character of a woman. Women always read romance novels and dream themselves to be picked up by some Victorian-era Chad on a horseback, but never make the logical connection that they need to dress for their dream.
This is the real male fantasy:
https://youtu.be/yDPg2H0pTl4?t=2294Even as a man, Anne of Green Gables is my personal favourite movie. But I guess women will never understand it. They just do not understand their own talents and why they have those talents (to produce children for the glory of God, not to seduce men for their own ego). Trust me, I tried with SSPX women, didn't even try with secular girls (why bother). Especially once they wear pants, go to university - which is extremely common in the neo-SSPX - they're gone, absolutely gone. They're already a bad example for any daughters you could have with them. I cannot see myself marrying these women, ever. Men will not discuss this openly in front of women, but it's very common talk behind their backs (because you will be met with fierce female resistance when you even try to bring up the topic of modesty).
The
sad part is, women have a lot of natural talents that they could use for Christ, to draw people to Christ through their beauty and charity and being happy and pure. Yet, especially because many women get way too much attention while they're young, it gets to their head and many end up as complete failures (by the standards of God, not by the standards of the world). They end up completely wasting their natural talents - and it definitely starts with fashion (in dress, but also speech). The external influences the internal, Catholics ought to know that.
Over time I've become convinced that even most young
trad women (yes, even SSPX / Resistance / Sedevacantist) nowadays are abject failures and best to be avoided (I'm not even talking about the secular women). They can rage about the pope but when it comes to dressing properly themselves, no can do. Fine, I'll reach heaven alone then. I can count the women who dress 1910s-style and are of marriageable age probably on one single hand per
country and I'm not exaggerating. The women may dress nice if it "looks nice", but that's not the point of dressing modestly, so they don't "like" it. The women of the SSPX are already horribly feminist and the worst part is they think they're "traditional". The young women of the Resistance are slightly better, but many still have the same influences in the end: public schools, bad friends, wanting to study, dating secular men and hoping they convert, trying to get a weak "Catholic" man they can control, etc. So many damn themselves.
And I say this with disappointment, rather than with anger. Yes, "but the men too", well I see a lot more holy young men than I see holy young women. I've had men admit to me they were ashamed that they didn't come to Mass with a tie because it's sloppy - I NEVER heard any young woman say anything remotely like that (older women still have some respect for the Mass, but they managed to never discipline their daughters). And I've been to Poland, France, Resistance, SSPX, etc. If women would be treated "rough" like men, boy they'd recoil in horror.
As a man I can bear immodesty, okay - but besides the "sin" aspect, it's just more ugly and really sad when women try to be man-ish, when they try to control the conversation, when they try to put themselves at the center. People did put some sort of effort into sewing, clothes, dressing as a "lady", etc. - now it's just slop world. We could've had a great world, but oh well, women just had to "feel cute" and "live their life" and so on.
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