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« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 11:25:26 PM »
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  • Some women are just inclined to dress as slutty as possible. I was just noticing at my girls' choir performance today, one of the girls had a very short skirt on. Literally everyone else was modestly dressed. They were required to wear black and white clothing (pants and skirts/dresses were allowed). Girls like that end up causing the authorities to have to be super strict and require an actual uniform -- because some girls push the envelope as far as they can.

    At my old SSPX chapel there was a girl who dressed very immodestly. Several parishioners gave her trouble, and I don't blame them. Eventually the family left -- and went to a particularly poor-quality Indult group. Based on what we can see on Facebook, it looks like they have PLENTY of problems. The dad was a total beta. A real doormat. Very quiet and soft-spoken. And the wife was very hot-headed, aggressive, strong willed, liberal, etc. A recipe for disaster. They were a large family too. The guy came from a longtime Trad family; the wife was a convert.

    Long story short, dressing like that is just a symptom of pretty serious issues. It is NOT a small matter. Some girls are just broken in the modesty department. Their life is destined for chaos, sadness, despair, and destruction.
    Is it wrong for me to purposely look at them for them to catch me so they can become self conscious and embarrassed? (Stare at their face not body of course)

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    « Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 11:33:16 PM »
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  • Is it wrong for me to purposely look at them for them to catch me so they can become self conscious and embarrassed? (Stare at their face not body of course)

    No, I wouldn't do that.

    1. You'd be giving them precisely what they're trolling for.
    2. If you're unattractive, you will just anger them. Nothing women hate more then being approached, or attention in any form, from men they consider unattractive (which is 95% of men). I'd like to think Trad women are different, but they're still women. They are taken from the same world originally. All you have with Trad women is the fact they attend Mass once a week. Nothing else can be assumed or taken for granted...
    3. If you're attractive, you will only encourage them. ("Ooh, it's working! He's looking at me!")

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    Re: Immodest outfits
    « Reply #17 on: Today at 04:22:03 AM »
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  • First of all I think we need more information.  How young are the girls you are talking about?  Is it just one family?  Are the clothes revealing on purpose or are they tight because they are too small?  Some families don't always have the funds to keep buying new outfits during a growth spurt.
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    « Reply #18 on: Today at 04:45:47 AM »
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  • The first ones who should do something to those (male or female) dressed inappropriately is one of the ushers / whoever is taking on that duty that day. In these days, that's one of the reasons they are there. 

    The priest would not be expected to see them until they come to the communion rail - at which time he should deny them communion and tell them bluntly, right in front of everyone to leave and not come back until they dress appropriately.


     




       

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    Re: Immodest outfits
    « Reply #19 on: Today at 06:42:10 AM »
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  • The first ones who should do something to those (male or female) dressed inappropriately is one of the ushers / whoever is taking on that duty that day. In these days, that's one of the reasons they are there.

    The priest would not be expected to see them until they come to the communion rail - at which time he should deny them communion and tell them bluntly, right in front of everyone to leave and not come back until they dress appropriately.

    No, I disagree that it should be a male usher.  There should be an older lady who's selected for this duty on account of a kind disposition and a good charitable attitude, to point these things out to ladies.  When a man comes up to a woman to point out immodest dress, the typical retort is, "so, what? ... are you checking me out, you perv?"  That kind of reaction to it, especially if the woman feels embarrassed and humiliated after having been accosted in that manner, is 100% to be expected.  You're also putting the male usher into a very awkward position of making it part of their duty to "check out" women as they enter the church.  "So you're standing there checking everyone out?"  Simply selecting an older lady for this duty completely circuмvents this problem.  But, also, the lady should have the right temperament.  I've been accosted rudely by male ushers in some Trad churches, scolding me for standing in the wrong place (even though I stand at crowded Sunday Mass because I don't want to take a seat from anyone else, and only after the church starts filling up long after I got there), and I kept thinking to myself that if I had not already been a Traditional Catholic, this would leave a very bad taste in my mouth.

    It wouldn't be necessary, either, for this lady to stand in the back checking everyone out as they walked in ... since if someone else happened to notice an immodestly dressed individual, they could go to the old lady and deploy her to take action.  :-)

    See, the Novus Ordo abuse this notion, but the reason there were "deaconesses" in the early Church were for varoius duties that were not fitting for men to perform, not because they were ordained in any way.  So, for instance, Baptism was done by immersion, and often ladies needed some assistance getting dressed and undressed, etc ... and this was delgated to various ladies, these do-called deaconesses.



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    Re: Immodest outfits
    « Reply #20 on: Today at 06:51:19 AM »
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  • No, I disagree that it should be a male usher.  There should be an older lady who's select for this duty on account of a kind disposition and a good charitable attitude, to point these things out to ladies.  When a man comes up to a woman to point out immodest dress, the typical retort is, "so, what? ... are you checking me out, you perv?"  That kind of reaction to it, especially if the woman feels humility after having been accosted in that manner, is 100% to be expected.

    See, the Novus Ordo abuse this notion, but the reason there were "deaconesses" in the early Church were for varoius duties that were not fitting for men to perform, not because they were ordained in any way.  So, for instance, Baptism was done by immersion, and often ladies needed some assistance getting dressed and undressed, etc ... and this was delgated to various ladies, these do-called deaconesses.
    The usher should not allow her to enter until she dresses appropriately. Who cares whether that flatters or disturbs the woman? It's not meant to be any type of compliment, rather it should embarrass or shame her but these days it probably won't. The point to be made clear to her and everyone is that she's not getting in dressed like that. Period.   
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    Re: Immodest outfits
    « Reply #21 on: Today at 07:56:42 AM »
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  • The dad was a total beta. A real doormat. Very quiet and soft-spoken. 
    There ya go....

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    Re: Immodest outfits
    « Reply #22 on: Today at 07:57:38 AM »
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  • The usher should not allow her to enter until she dresses appropriately.
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    Yes, Pope Pius XI decreed in 1930 that women dressed immodestly must be denied entry into the church, in extreme cases. I don't see who is able to prevent them from entering except the ushers. The priest is usually hearing confessions or vesting for Mass or something similar.

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    9. Women and girls who wear immodest clothes are to be prohibited from Holy Communion and from the office of sponsor in the sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation, and in certain cases, they are to be prohibited even from entry into the church.



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    « Reply #23 on: Today at 08:05:58 AM »
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  • After the decades of destruction caused by feminism, it’s sad to see the coddling of women continue.  Women know when they’re dressed inappropriately.  

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    « Reply #24 on: Today at 08:21:45 AM »
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  • You should tell the priest. Never go to the woman directly.
    What? lol

    Like the priest has time for that at the moment of stopping her (or him) from entering. You need ushers for that. 

    For regular church "members" this is an easy, "fix it or leave" scenario, if they are out of town and probably think it's a regular Novus Ordo Church, well, they're in the wrong place if they can't change. Sorry. This is a bigger offense to God than people think, in my opinion. 

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    « Reply #25 on: Today at 08:27:39 AM »
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  • What? lol

    Like the priest has time for that at the moment of stopping her (or him) from entering. You need ushers for that.

    For regular church "members" this is an easy, "fix it or leave" scenario, if they are out of town and probably think it's a regular Novus Ordo Church, well, they're in the wrong place if they can't change. Sorry. This is a bigger offense to God than people think, in my opinion.
    I totally agree.


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    « Reply #26 on: Today at 08:31:22 AM »
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  • Our usher team has turned away a handful of newcomers who thought our church was novus ordo and were not dressed correctly.  It was done politely and they were invited to return.

    For people who are dressed nicely but have short skirts or wear modest pants, they sit in the choir loft where their presence won't be a distraction.

    For all newcomers, they are not allowed to receive communion, unless they are Trads.

    These are our priests' rules and the ushers enforce them.

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    « Reply #27 on: Today at 08:34:03 AM »
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  • I was talking to the priest at Saint Nicolas du Chardonnet at the front of the church about 10 years ago, and mid-sentence he turned around to a girl in a mini skirt about to enter. "Miss" he said "I'm sorry but you cannot enter the church dressed like this. It's written on the front in clear writing, what is acceptable clothing here"

    The girl said nothing and looked to the young man she was with to see what he would do. He went up to the priest and said "Father, this is very embarassing. I'm trying to show the church to this girl and you're not making it easy" 

    The priest replied:"I'm sorry but she's not going in dressed like this. It's a mortal sin to be dressed in such a way" 

    The young man replies "It's not a sin father...." 

    He interrupts "Young man, your not seriously going to tell me what is or isn't a mortal sin. Although you are certainly embarrassed this all I can tell you as that the negative influence of immodest dressing has far more influence on people than modesty. You can bring her back, when she's changed into something better"

    Then he turned back to me and took up our previous conversation as if nothing had happened.      

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  • The usher should not allow her to enter until she dresses appropriately. Who cares whether that flatters or disturbs the woman? It's not meant to be any type of compliment, rather it should embarrass or shame her but these days it probably won't. The point to be made clear to her and everyone is that she's not getting in dressed like that. Period. 

    See, this is precisely the over-reaction against Conciliar laxity that results in a leaven of the Pharisees being injected into Traddieland, and resulting in not a few walking away from the places with the vibe that there's something "cult-like" about them, and deciding never to come back.

    What do you mean "who cares" about whether you might be humiliating someone, who may be in slight violation of traditional standards that are not known to them, in good faith ... where you would make no distinction between someonew who's trying to enter wearing a two-piece bikini and a woman who might have her top a couple inches lower than the typical cutoff.

    So you're going to have a man stand there and put the two fingers against the neck of any woman who enters with a borderline-low cut, just to make sure.

    "who cares ... Period" ... typifies this crappy attitude

    We all should care.  We can accomplish the same thing without having a woman subjected to Stubborn standing by the door ogling her and then putting two fingers up to her neck to see if she's in violation and then humiliating her by telling her to get out if she's a half inch past due.

    This is borderline nuts.

    You have an older lady in the back, not a male usher, who's delegated by the priest, and who's given instructions about what would require a gentle correction and would would require being barred from entering the main church (undoubtedly two different standards), and someone who does "care" and doesn't make someone run the other way and never look at another Trad chapel ever again after being humiliated by someone who doesn't "care".

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    Re: Immodest outfits
    « Reply #29 on: Today at 08:37:06 AM »
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  • I was talking to the priest at Saint Nicolas du Chardonnet at the front of the church about 10 years ago, and mid-sentence he turned around to a girl in a mini skirt about to enter. "Miss" he said "I'm sorry but you cannot enter the church dressed like this. It's written on the front in clear writing, what is acceptable clothing here"

    The girl said nothing and looked to the young man she was with to see what he would do. He went up to the priest and said "Father, this is very embarassing. I'm trying to show the church to this girl and you're not making it easy"

    The priest replied:"I'm sorry but she's not going in dressed like this. It's a mortal sin to be dressed in such a way"

    The young man replies "It's not a sin father...."

    He interrupts "Young man, your not seriously going to tell me what is or isn't a mortal sin. Although you are certainly embarrassed this all I can tell you as that the negative influence of immodest dressing has far more influence on people than modesty. You can bring her back, when she's changed into something better"

    Then he turned back to me and took up our previous conversation as if nothing had happened.     
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    This is exactly what every priest should do. Very cool story.