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Re: Is it Catholic for infertile couples to adopt children?
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2019, 08:08:23 AM »
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    • This seems like a silly question: of course Catholic couples, infertile, sterile, or not, can adopt children! That's the whole point of adoption, to place orphans and other children given up for adoption into good, two-parent, Catholic homes.

    We're so used to being against adoption for sodomites, that we forget that adoption is normally a great thing. But we're against adoption for sodomites because A) they will corrupt any children with their perversion, and B) a child needs a father and a mother.

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    Re: Is it Catholic for infertile couples to adopt children?
    « Reply #31 on: June 30, 2019, 08:10:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on June 25, 2019, 10:42:00 AM
    Is it Catholic for infertile couples to adopt children?

    I have never heard of canonized married saints who adopted. Are there any?

    I've never heard of a SINGLE Catholic saint who had a smartphone, or even a cell phone of any kind.
    Ergo, cell phones must be evil and mortally sinful.
    Just using your own logic there, champ.

    Seriously, though, there aren't many canonized married saints. I think that's the primary problem. The secondary problem is that whatever such saints we have, are 200+ years ago, so many aspects of their life we can't follow, since their culture and milieu was so different from our own. 

    I wouldn't hold up Zelie Martin (the mother of St. Therese the Little Flower) as a role model for ANY Trad Catholic mother. Zelie might have been a good Catholic mother, and she might be in heaven right now, but it wasn't because of her cultural mothering practices. I think she hired a wet nurse for her kids, and went to work. 

    She would have been criticized by your typical Trad couple, and rightly so! She didn't stay at home, breastfeeding, raising and homeschooling her children. THAT is the ideal, but she fell WAY, WAY short in this department.


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    Re: Is it Catholic for infertile couples to adopt children?
    « Reply #32 on: June 30, 2019, 10:40:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on June 30, 2019, 08:08:23 AM
    This seems like a silly question: of course Catholic couples, infertile, sterile, or not, can adopt children! That's the whole point of adoption, to place orphans and other children given up for adoption into good, two-parent, Catholic homes.

    We're so used to being against adoption for sodomites, that we forget that adoption is normally a great thing. But we're against adoption for sodomites because A) they will corrupt any children with their perversion, and B) a child needs a father and a mother.

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    Indeed, I have no idea how this is even a question.  It's a very commendable thing for a Catholic couple to offer a chance at salvation to such children.  Now, the temptation would be to live the "easy life", since raising children is very hard work, and comes with many crosses.  So their sacrifice of such a life to adopt and raise some children would be a noble thing indeed.
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    Re: Is it Catholic for infertile couples to adopt children?
    « Reply #33 on: June 30, 2019, 10:42:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on June 25, 2019, 03:51:35 PM
    More so than remaining continent?

    What are you talking about?  How are being continent and adopting children mutually exclusive?
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    Re: Is it Catholic for infertile couples to adopt children?
    « Reply #34 on: June 30, 2019, 01:03:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on June 30, 2019, 08:10:55 AM
    I wouldn't hold up Zelie Martin (the mother of St. Therese the Little Flower) as a role model for ANY Trad Catholic mother. Zelie might have been a good Catholic mother, and she might be in heaven right now, but it wasn't because of her cultural mothering practices. I think she hired a wet nurse for her kids, and went to work.

    She would have been criticized by your typical Trad couple, and rightly so! She didn't stay at home, breastfeeding, raising and homeschooling her children. THAT is the ideal, but she fell WAY, WAY short in this department.

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    In her defense, she only hired a wet nurse when she wasn't able to breast feed.  I think she probably breast fed her first few (I don't remember), but with later babies she wasn't able to give them enough milk.  I think her inability to nurse enough may have been related to the eventual breast cancer which killed her.   It was a heartbreak for her to not be able to nurse her own children.  Also, she didn't leave home to go to some office & work; she had a home business of lace-making, which her husband eventually took over.  She was home all the time.  The children were partly homeschooled, partly sent to a convent school for some of their schooling.

    The Story of a Family is a good book to get a good idea what she was like. 
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    Re: Is it Catholic for infertile couples to adopt children?
    « Reply #35 on: June 30, 2019, 04:00:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on June 30, 2019, 08:10:55 AM
    Seriously, though, there aren't many canonized married saints. I think that's the primary problem.
    Whose problem?
    The reason there aren't as many canonized married saints is because it's more difficult to achieve high levels of sanctity in the married state.
    Quote from: Anonymous on June 30, 2019, 08:10:55 AM
    The secondary problem is that whatever such saints we have, are 200+ years ago, so many aspects of their life we can't follow, since their culture and milieu was so different from our own.
    Modernists give this same argument for why saints are no longer imitable, essentially claiming they were backwards, primitive, un-evolved humans with psychological disorders and living in times of superstition, and "we enlightened ones know better now"...
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    I wouldn't hold up Zelie Martin (the mother of St. Therese the Little Flower) as a role model for ANY Trad Catholic mother. Zelie might have been a good Catholic mother, and she might be in heaven right now, but it wasn't because of her cultural mothering practices. I think she hired a wet nurse for her kids, and went to work.
    She developed breast cancer, and certainly had a valid reason to use a wet nurse. Also, she worked at home.
    Wet nurses aren't anything new. In the 14th cen., St. Catherine of Siena's mother, Mona Lapa, gave St. Catherine's twin sister to a wet nurse.
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    « Reply #36 on: July 01, 2019, 12:33:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on June 30, 2019, 08:10:55 AM
    I wouldn't hold up Zelie Martin (the mother of St. Therese the Little Flower) as a role model for ANY Trad Catholic mother. Zelie might have been a good Catholic mother, and she might be in heaven right now, but it wasn't because of her cultural mothering practices. I think she hired a wet nurse for her kids, and went to work.

    She would have been criticized by your typical Trad couple, and rightly so! She didn't stay at home, breastfeeding, raising and homeschooling her children. THAT is the ideal, but she fell WAY, WAY short in this department.


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    Zelie Martin had breast cancer and had begun to waste away. How was she supposed to feed her child? As for her lace business she worked at home. 
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