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like because of preeclampsia or severe hemorrhaging during birth, would that be a valid reason to space out the number of children, or not have anymore?

thanks and God bless

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  • 90% of the time that doctors say this, it's nonsense.  I've known people who were told this who went on to have several more children.  They do it to cover their butts.

    In the event that it's true, it's reason to abstain and not have any more children, but not to "space them out".  Lethal is lethal, right?  So what does that have to do with spacing them out?

    This is just an excuse people use to justify NFP.  Either you can have more children or you can't.  There's no such thing as having to have fewer children.


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  • 90% of the time that doctors say this, it's nonsense.  I've known people who were told this who went on to have several more children.  They do it to cover their butts.

    In the event that it's true, it's reason to abstain and not have any more children, but not to "space them out".  Lethal is lethal, right?  So what does that have to do with spacing them out?

    This is just an excuse people use to justify NFP.  Either you can have more children or you can't.  There's no such thing as having to have fewer children.
    ^This.  Well said.

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  • 90% of the time that doctors say this, it's nonsense.  I've known people who were told this who went on to have several more children.  They do it to cover their butts.

    In the event that it's true, it's reason to abstain and not have any more children, but not to "space them out".  Lethal is lethal, right?  So what does that have to do with spacing them out?

    This is just an excuse people use to justify NFP.  Either you can have more children or you can't.  There's no such thing as having to have fewer children.
    Exactly. There have been tons of women who have been told by doctors that they HAD to be sterilized after their second child. And how many times was this for nothing at all? The Judeo-Masonic forces want to reduce the population of the world and have publicly admitted it. Why would we not be surprised when doctors have tried to force sterilize women? I’m sure we’ve all met women especially Catholic women who have been told that another baby would kill them and another baby came and everything was perfectly fine. Trust God. If another baby is His plan, the baby should come and have no obstacles. 

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  • 90% of the time that doctors say this, it's nonsense.  I've known people who were told this who went on to have several more children.  They do it to cover their butts.

    In the event that it's true, it's reason to abstain and not have any more children, but not to "space them out".  Lethal is lethal, right?  So what does that have to do with spacing them out?

    This is just an excuse people use to justify NFP.  Either you can have more children or you can't.  There's no such thing as having to have fewer children.

    Doctors have proven that they do not know if this is true or not - God knows if it's true, only God knows, no one else knows. Yes, Doctors cover their butts, and unlike a broken clock, the doctor might actually be correct 50% of the time, but when it comes to this, God said to multiply - period.

    The couple cannot abstain based on this opinion of the doctor without sinning. If they ever abstain from the act, it can only be for reasons that promote the greater glory of God - this is not one of those reasons. Using that reasoning, why would not  contraception/abortion be an acceptable option if saving the life of the mother is what matters?    

    Preeclampsia or severe hemorrhaging during birth does not even equate to a certain death sentence to the mother or child and in fact many women experience this during birth and pull through just fine. Even were the doctor to say "your next child means certain death for the mother or child", that is still not sufficient reason to abstain, least ways not without permission from the Church.  

    Somehow, the husband and his needs are entirely forgotten in all of this.



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  • Pre eclampsia in one pregnancy, or hemorrhaging in one birth does not mean the same in future pregnancies and births. My daughter had difficulties with her first two and no problem with her third. 

    If you have genuine concerns, I suggest you make contact with a NaProTech doctor. 

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  • Abstinence in marriage can only ever be by mutual consent.

    A considerate loving husband would choose to abstain if he has a very genuine concern for his wife’s health.


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  • There are countless stories like this one.  A woman was told this very thing after a difficult first pregnancy and birth of a first child. She and her husband are presently the happy parents of 16 adult children, 85 grandchildren, and 11 great grandchildren.  Too bad they're Amish, not Catholic.


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  • like because of preeclampsia or severe hemorrhaging during birth, would that be a valid reason to space out the number of children, or not have anymore?

    thanks and God bless
    If you feel the need to "space out" or not have any more children then the method that you use for this "limitation of children" would have to exclude the use of artificial contraceptives.   

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  • If you feel the need to "space out" or not have any more children then the method that you use for this "limitation of children" would have to exclude the use of artificial contraceptives.  
    I think the person was intending to ask if that would be a justifiable reason to use NFP.

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    Re: If according to doctors, another pregnancy was potentially lethal..
    « Reply #10 on: June 30, 2019, 12:23:09 PM »
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  • I think the person was intending to ask if that would be a justifiable reason to use NFP.
    Whether they use NFP or not, they are not allowed to use artificial contraception.


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    Re: If according to doctors, another pregnancy was potentially lethal..
    « Reply #11 on: June 30, 2019, 12:26:07 PM »
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  • A serious concern that another pregnancy could be fatal is reason for a couple to agree to abstain, not a reason to use contraceptives or "space kids out". The majority of time these issues aren't fatal with modern healthcare and just mean more care is needed, doctors just advise this because most irreligious couples would rather just not have any more kids than have to go to any bit of bother dealing with pregnancy issues. I'd suggest doing research into the condition and talking to your doctor, telling them that you'd like to continue having children and what measures could be taken to ensure future pregnancies are safe for both you and the child. 

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    Re: If according to doctors, another pregnancy was potentially lethal..
    « Reply #12 on: June 30, 2019, 11:39:03 PM »
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  • Get a second opinion from a Catholic doctor, then get a third opinion.
    Doctors are not taught how to predict the future in medical school,
    even though they act like it.
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    Research vegetarianism.  Vegetarian mothers are known to have
    easy child births. 
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    Find a Naturopath doctor and have the birth at a mid-wife run
    facility, near a hospital (in case of serious complications).  
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    Avoid labor induced medications. 
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    What is the cause of the hemorraging anyway?   Find out.

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    Re: If according to doctors, another pregnancy was potentially lethal..
    « Reply #13 on: July 01, 2019, 01:08:15 AM »
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  • Get a second opinion from a Catholic doctor, then get a third opinion.
    Doctors are not taught how to predict the future in medical school,
    even though they act like it.
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    Research vegetarianism.  Vegetarian mothers are known to have
    easy child births.  
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    Find a Naturopath doctor and have the birth at a mid-wife run
    facility, near a hospital (in case of serious complications).  
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    Avoid labor induced medications.  
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    What is the cause of the hemorraging anyway?   Find out.
    I have never heard that vegetarians have easy births. That's a new one on me. Evidence?
    For sure, vegetarian diet in pregnancy means taking more care to get the required vitamins, minerals.

    https://thewomens.r.worldssl.net/images/uploads/fact-sheets/Vegetarian-eating-in-pregnancy.pdf





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    Re: If according to doctors, another pregnancy was potentially lethal..
    « Reply #14 on: July 01, 2019, 06:41:14 AM »
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  • I have never heard that vegetarians have easy births. That's a new one on me. Evidence?

    by Robert S Mendelsohn, MD
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    [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX55jxcnEKo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX55jxcnEKo

    Long video (may not contain anything on pregnancy).
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    Short video on pregnancy and the dangers of ultrasound.
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    Dr Mendelsohn was highly regarded for telling the truth about
    dangers to women during pregnancy and child birth.  He
    recommended that you hire a midwife instead of a doctor to
    assist at the birth.  He also said that vegetarian women are
    known to have easier child births (in a talk that I heard).
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    In a birthing class that I attended, given by the president of
    The American Natural Hygiene Society, Dr. Alec Burton, he
    talked about the harmful practices used in hospitals for
    childbirths.  He said the best position for childbirth is the
    squat position, because gravity makes life easier for the
    woman.  Gravity is also useful for removing and fluid in
    the baby's throat. 

     

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