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Offline Maizar

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« on: April 04, 2012, 04:37:59 AM »
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  • Women who don't like women probably just understand women all too well, or put another way, find difficulty relating to the emotional games that women like to play against each other. I have discussed this at length with some, asking this exact question, and their explanation to me was that men treat them with more respect, honesty and fairness, so they find no interest in maintaining friendships with other women (of course other women say the exact opposite). I don't know what that is a sign of exactly, but I just shrug and accept that this is what some people experience.

    Men who do not maintain friendships with other men but prefer female company are different again. I think if a man has a high emotional intelligence, or low aggression, then he will find the company of many men unsatisfying or confronting. Women are quick to tune in to the emotional level of a conversation and this is easier for those men.

    This has nothing to do with nurture, but a lot to do with hormonal balance, and can be observed in people having disorders of the various hormonal glands, or in some cancers and other diseases. So, if there is an extreme preference, there is usually a good reason for it.


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    « Reply #1 on: April 04, 2012, 10:02:54 AM »
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  •   I really relate to this topic. Thank you OP!
     
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    Women who appreciate the kindness and honesty of men tend to be those rejected by other women.

      Well, from childhood on I was not the little princess type, rather I was blunt, energetic and curious, naturally, I was rejected by "princesses" and fond solace in the company of ''naughty small boys".
       
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    Women who don't like women probably just understand women all too well, or put another way, find difficulty relating to the emotional games that women like to play against each other. I have discussed this at length with some, asking this exact question, and their explanation to me was that men treat them with more respect, honesty and fairness.

      If you don't wear enough heavy make-up, if you disgust feminine tricks and prefer a honest communication to a piece of Jєωels then you will very likely be rejected by females.
     
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    Men who do not maintain friendships with other men but prefer female company are different again. I think if a man has a high emotional intelligence, or low aggression, then he will find the company of many men unsatisfying or confronting.

      Living in an alpha-male middle eastern culture I see how a phlegmatic man is in reality a little girl with an adult male body. He is soft, forgiving, delicate, impractical and too much of a sweetheart to be accepted among lads.
      Nothing is as hateful to alpha male cholerics as company of a sweet romantic phlegmatic guy! :dwarf:


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    « Reply #2 on: April 04, 2012, 11:32:38 AM »
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      Nothing is as hateful to alpha male cholerics as company of a sweet romantic phlegmatic guy! :dwarf:


    That might be true for some, but my best friend is a phlegmatic. So that's a generalization.
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    « Reply #3 on: April 04, 2012, 11:36:44 AM »
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    "I prefer men to women."

    Does that mean she's a feminist?


    No, I don't think so. The women I know who admit to such a preference are at least slightly anti-feminist.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 04, 2012, 11:48:46 AM »
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    "I prefer men to women."

    Does that mean she's a feminist?

    There are some women who form stronger bonds with men than with their own sex. Is that a sign that a woman has refused the obligations of womanhood?



    When a woman has a bunch of male friends about her, there are 3 possibilities.

    1. She truly does prefer male companionship over that of other women (like Maizar said).

    2. She's fishing for a mate, and these guys are just unofficial suitors (weather they know it or not lol). They'll most often disappear from the picture when she makes her pick.

    3. She has low self esteem and needs lots of attention from the opposite sex.

    And most of the time, it's #3.
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    « Reply #5 on: April 04, 2012, 12:11:54 PM »
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    "I prefer men to women."

    Does that mean she's a feminist?

    There are some women who form stronger bonds with men than with their own sex. Is that a sign that a woman has refused the obligations of womanhood?



    When a woman has a bunch of male friends about her, there are 3 possibilities.

    1. She truly does prefer male companionship over that of other women (like Maizar said).

    2. She's fishing for a mate, and these guys are just unofficial suitors (weather they know it or not lol). They'll most often disappear from the picture when she makes her pick.

    3. She has low self esteem and needs lots of attention from the opposite sex.

    And most of the time, it's #3.


    This one is a puzzle to me because I am not someone who prefers male company to female company and I've never truly understood those who do. I think Catholic Samurai hits it closest though. From what I've been able to observe #2 and 3 seem most frequent. Women who say that also seem to see other women as inferior to themselves and blanket them with a negative view. There's often some snobbery or impatience and even pride about not having many female friends in there. Like they think it separates them from the pack or makes them more appealing or something. So it seems anyway.

    Not that I would be friends with all women either, some really do play stupid games, but rather than eliminate women altogether, I just reduce my friends to a few that I know are on the same page as me. Others are acquaintances and we maintian pleasantries on the surface that are not without merit but never go any deeper and we're ok with that.

    There a lot of different kinds of women, not everyone's a princess or a drama queen. But if you shut them all out and never make the effort to get to know any, you'll never meet the great ones either.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 04, 2012, 01:10:53 PM »
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  • I don't know. While I agree that #2 and #3 happen, I've experienced a bit more of #1 in the past. I've known many women who didn't like the other company of women because of how other women act.

    I've even had 2 female bosses, the one I work for now included, who WILL NOT hire women because all the infighting and drama they create.  My boss now told me in confidence that apart from the women she's already hired, she will not hire any more women. The last 6 members of our team she's hired were men. I think this relates to why some women, at least, prefer the company of men; however, I would argue the outcome would be different if we're speaking of Catholic women who hold traditional values.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 04, 2012, 07:18:08 PM »
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    Have you ever noticed that women who don't like women often become authority figures to women?


    Yeah, certain women who embrace this "one of the boys" attitude often become authority figures.  

    That would be an extreme case.  There are lots of other women who take this attitude, saying they prefer men, without becoming authority figures, necessarily.  They prefer men to women for the simple reason that they're in competition with other women to get a man.  Then they latch onto a certain guy and try to possess him, hissing like black cats if another female tries to steal him.  It's the usual cycle among non-believers.

    I used to be part of the dating scene, so to speak, and in that heartless environment, what woman is going to want to bring her boyfriend into contact with other pretty girls?  They don't have friends because their friends might steal their boyfriend.  This doesn't happen as much among guys because even non-Christian males usually have a code, they don't steal each other's girlfriends as much.  If they do they try to keep it private as long as possible.  But with girls it's like a power trip, a girl steals another girl's boyfriend just to show that she can do it, then she rubs it in the other girl's face, even if it's her friend.  She'll say "You always thought you were better than me, well guess what, your boyfriend didn't think so, huh!"  

    In this kind of environment, it's not surprising they end up not liking each other.  Men have their own flaws, but they rarely revel in backstabbing like women do.  When they cheat, they do it in secret, because they are not interested in hurting anyone, they just want to do want they want to do; which of courses does end up hurting people, but that is not the primary motivation for them.  Men are more interested in satisfying themselves physically; women seem to be more intellectual and emotional and are driven by a more complex series of emotions, pride, jealousy, etc.  They may sleep with a lot of men not for the pleasure of it, but so that they can preen and say to other women "You think you're so great, you think you're prettier and smarter than me, well how come all these guys are into me and not you?"  

    So it's kind of meaningless to talk about "women who don't like women," because that is just what women say who think other women are jealous of them, while in reality they too are very often jealous.  But I'd say that, the less charity there is, the more a woman falls into this jealous attitude; and the more jealous she is, the more unscrupulous she might be in order to reach the "top"; and this is why she might become an authority figure.  
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    « Reply #8 on: April 04, 2012, 11:55:39 PM »
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    I've even had 2 female bosses, the one I work for now included, who WILL NOT hire women because all the infighting and drama they create.  My boss now told me in confidence that apart from the women she's already hired, she will not hire any more women. The last 6 members of our team she's hired were men. I think this relates to why some women, at least, prefer the company of men; however, I would argue the outcome would be different if we're speaking of Catholic women who hold traditional values.


    No offense intended, but I doubt that women with traditional values will be much different. If you take a bunch of men, or a bunch of women, and place them in an artificial environment that is not designed for them specifically, they will misbehave. If a manager has trouble with women in his or her workplace, it is because the work place and managerial methods are not suitable for them. It is a problem that can usually be overcome, although some systems and situations cannot be adequately modified to allow for women or men to work together.

    In a flexible situation, women will arrange themselves in a way that will be very efficient and they can get a lot of work done as a group. Look how old ladies go when let loose in a large community kitchen! The same goes for men. However, if a manager imposes a male system on females, or introduces a token female or two among males, hoping this will work, then a predictable cycle starts that usually ends in the female storming off at the critical moment. Dilbert is a great teacher on this.

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    « Reply #9 on: April 05, 2012, 05:04:54 AM »
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  • I like being friends with both because the two sexes give different things in a friendship.