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seriously, that would be so refreshing. 

I haven't heard one in a long time. No, scratch that. I have 1) never heard one or 2) I have forgotten. 2) is not possible because I would remember such a thing. It would stand out like... Nancy Pelosi at a Trump rally

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Re: I would love to hear a hell-fire and brimstone homily, wouldn't you?
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2017, 11:48:45 PM »
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  • Like the movie Pollyanna? For what purpose.  There is so much more to the Catholic faith than just fire and brimstone.  Do you enjoy being told that you'll probably end up in hell, and even if you make it to Heaven you only did so because through the grace of Mary and the Scapular.   No matter what you do in life or how you live your life, you won't ever deserve Heaven?  There I said it and saved you about 45 minutes?


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    Re: I would love to hear a hell-fire and brimstone homily, wouldn't you?
    « Reply #2 on: July 17, 2017, 10:24:44 AM »
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  •  :heretic:Maybe you need one?

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    Re: I would love to hear a hell-fire and brimstone homily, wouldn't you?
    « Reply #3 on: July 17, 2017, 12:58:53 PM »
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  • Ok answer me this boss, and I really want an answer...what part was heretical?


    There is so much more to the Catholic faith than just fire and brimstone.
     
    1) Was the Catholic Church founded on more than fire and brimstone?  Was Jesus all fire and brimstone while teaching in the Gospels? Are gifts of the Holy Ghost, The Beatitudes, the Catachism all fire and Brimstone? Are not the visions from our Lord's Sacred Heart to St. Margaret Mary Alacoque and the visions Immaculate Heart of Mary a gift of mercy and hope?  So you want fire and brimstone? You think that you as well as the rest of the congregation, need to be scared into doing the right thing, rather than loving our Lord and his Mother so much that you want to do the right thing?


    Do you enjoy being told that you'll probably end up in hell, and even if you make it to Heaven you only did so because through the grace of Mary and the Scapular.
      
    2) How many saints and doctors of the church say that most Catholics go to Heaven?  The message is just the opposite; its not easy to get to Heaven, and very few make it.  I could have the wrong saint, but I want to say that Saint Alphons Liguori said that more priests go to hell then Heaven.  Then comes the promise of the Scapular, from Our Lady.   "Take this Scapular. Whosoever dies wearing it shall not suffer eternal fire. It shall be a sign of salvation, a protection in danger and pledge of peace."


    No matter what you do in life or how you live your life, you won't ever deserve Heaven


    3) Ask any traditional priest if you as a person deserve Heaven.  Ask a traditional priest if mankind deserves Heaven.  Even if we die within the State of Grace, there is the stain of sin left behind.  Hence Purgatory....burns away the stain of sin.


    There I said it and saved you about 45 minutes?

    4) Clearly this isn't why I was called a heretic?  Or was the 1960 Disney movie Pollyanna?  Am I at odds with what is taught by the Church and its Saints?  Or did you just get your feelings hurt on the internet and needed to lash out?



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    Re: I would love to hear a hell-fire and brimstone homily, wouldn't you?
    « Reply #4 on: July 17, 2017, 01:34:45 PM »
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  • I agree with the OP, there is no where near enough sermons on hell. The reason priests should preach "fire and brimstone" at least occasionally, is because we *need* that, we *need* to hear it, some need to hear it more than others. Same as we *need* to hear preaching about the evils of the NO occasionally, and about the evils of rock music and about the evils of government and society and etc. - at least occasionally.

    As it is, outside of old recorded sermons, I can't remember the last sermon I heard on hell.
    Do not be afraid to abandon yourself unreservedly to His loving Providence, for a child cannot perish in the arms of a Father Who is omnipotent.

    St. Margaret Mary Alacoque


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    Re: I would love to hear a hell-fire and brimstone homily, wouldn't you?
    « Reply #5 on: July 17, 2017, 04:33:02 PM »
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  • The pope doesn't believe in hell i thought.

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    Re: I would love to hear a hell-fire and brimstone homily, wouldn't you?
    « Reply #6 on: July 17, 2017, 07:38:25 PM »
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  • Print this out and put it in your missal. Next time you are treated to an insipid sermon, read this instead and meditate on it:


    THE TEACHINGS OF THE FATHERS, DOCTORS AND SAINTS OF THE CHURCH UPON THE FINAL DESTINY OF MOST PEOPLE.
     
    1) Notwithstanding assurances that God did not create any man for Hell, and that He wishes all men to be saved, it remains equally true that few will be saved; that only few will go to Heaven; and that the greater part of mankind will be lost forever. (St. John Neuman)
     
    2) It is certain that few are saved. (St. Augustine)
     
    3) The majority of men shall not see God. (St. Julian the Martyr)
     
    4) Those who are saved are in the minority. ( St. Thomas Aquinas)
     
    5) The greater part of men choose to be damned rather than to love almighty God. (St. Alphonsus Liguori)
     
    6) So vast a number of miserable souls perish, and so comparatively few are saved. (St. Philip Neri)
     
    7) Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned. (St. Remigius of Rheims)
     
    8) Death bed conversions/repentance-there are hardly any: Out of 100,000 sinners who continue in sin until death, scarcely ONE will be saved. (St. Jerome)
     
    9) The MAJORITY OF CATHOLICS GO TO HELL:
     
    a) The greater number of Christians today are damned. The destiny of those dying on one day is that very few  -  not as many as ten  -   went straight to Heaven; many remained in Purgatory; and THOSE CAST INTO HELL WERE NUMEROUS AS SNOWFLAKES in mid-winter. (Bl. Anna Maria Taigi)
     
    b) There are many who arrive at the faith, but few who are led to the heavenly kingdom. Behold how many are gathered here for today's Feast-Day; we fill the church from wall to wall. Yet who knows how FEW they are who shall be numbered in that chosen company of the elect? (Pope St. Gregory the Great)
     
    c) The Ark, which in the midst of the Flood was the symbol of the Church, was wide below and narrow above, .... It was wide where the animals were, narrow where men lived; for the Holy Church is indeed wide in number of those who are carnal minded, narrow in the number of those who are spiritual.
    ( Pope St. Gregory the Great)
     
    d) Shall we all be saved? Shall we go to heaven? Alas, my children we do not know at all! But I tremble when I see so many souls lost these days. See, they fall into Hell as leaves fall from the trees at the approach of winter. (St. John Vianney)
     
    10) MOST PRIESTS GO TO HELL:
     
    St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church:
     
    I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think., I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties herein.
     
    Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail. (Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles)
     
    b) Many religious go to Hell because they do not keep their vows. (St. Vincent Ferrer)
     
     
    CATHOLICS NOT ASPIRING AND NOT LIVING AS SAINTS WILL GO TO HELL:
     
    a) They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned. (Bl. Angela of Foligno)
     
    b) They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great)
     
    c) St. Teresa.... had she not risen from the state of lukewarmness in which she lived, she would in the end have lost the grace of God and been damned. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)
     
    14) How many inhabitants of this city may perhaps be saved? What I am about to say is very terrible, yet I will not conceal it from you. Out of this thickly populated city with it's thousands of inhabitants, not 100 people will be saved. I even doubt whether there will be as many as that! ( St. John Chrysostom - the city was Antioch and its inhabitants were known to be in pursuit of comfort and the good things of life.)
     
    15) A multitude of souls fall into the depths of Hell. (St. Anthony Mary Claret - It has been revealed that on the day of the death of St. Bernard there also died 79,997 other people, and of this total of 80,000 who died, only St. Bernard and two other monks were saved.)
     
    16) In the great deluge in the days of Noah, all mankind perished, eight persons alone being saved in the Ark. In our days a deluge, not of water, but sins, continually inundates the earth, and out of this deluge very few escape. Scarcely anyone is saved. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)
     
    17) Yes indeed, many will be damned; few will be saved. (St. Benedict Joseph Labro)
     
    18) If you only knew the women who will go to Hell because they did not bring into the world the children they should have given to it. ( St. John Vianney)
     
    19) He who goes to Hell, goes of his own accord. Everyone who is damned, is damned because he wills his own damnation. (St. Alphonsus Liguori)
     
    20) THOSE WHO HAVE HEARD NOTHING ABOUT THE FAITH CAN ALSO GO TO HELL:
     
    a) When such unbelievers are damned, it is on account of other sins, which cannot be taken away without the faith, but not because of their sin of unbelief. (St. Thomas Aquinas)
     
    b) Everyone that is of truth hears my voice. (St. John 18:37)
     
    c) It may be true that there are, in the remotest parts of the world, some people who have not yet seen the light of the Savior. Certainly, God's manifold and ineffable goodness has always provided, and still provides, for all mankind in such a way that not one of the reprobates can find an excuse as though he had been refused the light of truth. ( St. Prosper of Aquitaine)
     
    d) No one is lost without knowing it, and no one is deceived without wanting to be. (St. Teresa of Avila)
     
    21) OUTSIDE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, THERE IS NO SALVATION:
     
    a) No matter how praiseworthy his actions might seem, he who is separated from the Catholic Church will never enjoy eternal life (Pope Gregory XVI)
     
    b) O ye atheists who do not believe in God, what fools you are ! But if you do believe there is a God, you must also believe there is a true religion. And if not the Roman Catholic, which is it? Perhaps that of the pagans who admit many gods, thus they deny them all. Perhaps that of Mohammed, a religion invented by an impostor and framed for beasts rather than humans. Perhaps that of the Jews who had the true faith at one time but, because they rejected their redeemer, lost their faith, their country, their everything. Perhaps that of the heretics who, separating themselves from our Church, have confused all revealed dogmas in such a way that the belief of one heretic is contrary to that of his neighbor. O holy faith! Enlighten all those poor blind creatures who run to eternal perdition! (St. Alphonsus Liguori)

     

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    Re: I would love to hear a hell-fire and brimstone homily, wouldn't you?
    « Reply #7 on: July 17, 2017, 07:44:06 PM »
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  • There you go! That's some hellfire.


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    Re: I would love to hear a hell-fire and brimstone homily, wouldn't you?
    « Reply #8 on: July 18, 2017, 01:34:54 PM »
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  • Like the movie Pollyanna? For what purpose.  There is so much more to the Catholic faith than just fire and brimstone.  Do you enjoy being told that you'll probably end up in hell, and even if you make it to Heaven you only did so because through the grace of Mary and the Scapular.   No matter what you do in life or how you live your life, you won't ever deserve Heaven?  There I said it and saved you about 45 minutes?
    We need to hear the truth wehther we like the truth or not. Agreed?
    who cares whether people want to hear it or not? The truth is needed and only the "truth shall set you free. "  
    And some thing u wear around your neck will not save you if you are in serious sin.  

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    Re: I would love to hear a hell-fire and brimstone homily, wouldn't you?
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  • Ok answer me this boss, and I really want an answer...what part was heretical?


    There is so much more to the Catholic faith than just fire and brimstone.
     
    1) Was the Catholic Church founded on more than fire and brimstone?  Was Jesus all fire and brimstone while teaching in the Gospels?
    we don't know ALL that Jesus said and did and the Bible even tells us this. I think it is in the last part of one of the bks of Peter.
    And Mt 25:31 definitely sounds hellfire and brimstone to me. It says that if you do not care for other Christians you will go off to "eternal punishment"
    Then there is the story in Mt 18:23 where the guy was forgiven but ended up in some very unpleasant place anyway, which many scholars say is Hell. Some speculate it could be Purgatory but in any case, it surely is not Heaven. I think if people knew how awful and how painful Purgatory is they would clean up their act in this life rather than wait for Purgatory in the next life.

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    Re: I would love to hear a hell-fire and brimstone homily, wouldn't you?
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  • I agree with the OP, there is no where near enough sermons on hell. The reason priests should preach "fire and brimstone" at least occasionally, is because we *need* that, we *need* to hear it, some need to hear it more than others. Same as we *need* to hear preaching about the evils of the NO occasionally, and about the evils of rock music and about the evils of government and society and etc. - at least occasionally.

    As it is, outside of old recorded sermons, I can't remember the last sermon I heard on hell.
    this lack of a homily on Hell lulls people into thinking they are doing just fine spriitually, no need to change much of anything
    what a huge lie (for most of the congregation)


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    Re: I would love to hear a hell-fire and brimstone homily, wouldn't you?
    « Reply #11 on: July 19, 2017, 03:35:44 PM »
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  • the overall perception is that the Church is "changing" truths it has taught throughout the centuries (since Jesus walked the earth).

    those who are not catechized and well-versed in the teachings and history of the Church will be misled and probably end up in Hell, which will be the fault of the clergy who were too PC to give a --- 

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    Re: I would love to hear a hell-fire and brimstone homily, wouldn't you?
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  • May God have mercy on me, a miserable sinner. 

    I think if I had a better Catholic education , I would have turned out better. I look at my past sins with disgust.  

    Is it me or is evil is in over drive this year of Our Lady of Fatima?


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    Re: I would love to hear a hell-fire and brimstone homily, wouldn't you?
    « Reply #13 on: July 20, 2017, 02:00:37 PM »
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  • May God have mercy on me, a miserable sinner.

    I think if I had a better Catholic education , I would have turned out better. I look at my past sins with disgust.  

    Is it me or is evil is in over drive this year of Our Lady of Fatima?
    at one point Mary was supposed to have appeared to someone and said that "these days, more people go to Purgatory" (than before?) but I think that was decades ago. I think that today, we are back to "most people end up in Hell"
    there is just too much evil, babies being murdered, fornication  being pretty much  OKd by "the pope" --adulterers taking Holy Communion, pornography and the list goes on. People are also just rude and uncaring toward one another. I have seen "chuch people" be about as rude as non church people...
    and I could go on and on but you live in this world so you know  

     

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