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« on: March 02, 2019, 03:54:15 PM »
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  • I know everything about how Novus Ordo is deficient. I have a desire to receive communion extra times during week so before i go to work i go to a daily morning NO Mass to receive communion. It helps me fight sins. If i had a trad church with daily Mass, i would go there. I hope God doesnt hold it against me for receiving during week in Novus Ordo. I receive in my sspx church on weekends.  They dont have Daily Mass. Any thoughts?

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    Re: I have a question
    « Reply #1 on: March 02, 2019, 04:32:03 PM »
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  • If you knew everything about how the Novus Ordo is deficient, you wouldn't be posting this question.  Clearly you need more study and understanding of what the Novus Ordo is.  I would recommend Fr. Wathen's The Great Sacrilege and Fr. Cekada's Work of Human Hands

    If the laws of the Church mean anything at all, and if you can legitimately attend the Novus Ordo on weekdays, then you have no business breaking the ecclesiastical law by attending a chapel (or hearing Mass said by a priest) lacking the approbation of the local ordinary, such as the SSPX chapel.  

    Since you "know everything about how the Novus Ordo is deficient", which course of action would be blessed by God:  

    a) Because I wish to please God, I submit to His Will and forgo offending Him by attending a Novus Ordo.
    b) Because I wish to receive Holy Communion, even though attending the Novus Ordo is offensive to God, I will attend anyway.

    Which course of action puts God first, and which puts yourself first?

    I would wager that you haven't discussed this with your SSPX priest.  
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    Re: I have a question
    « Reply #2 on: March 02, 2019, 11:57:00 PM »
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  • I know everything about how Novus Ordo is deficient. I have a desire to receive communion extra times during week so before i go to work i go to a daily morning NO Mass to receive communion. It helps me fight sins. If i had a trad church with daily Mass, i would go there. I hope God doesnt hold it against me for receiving during week in Novus Ordo. I receive in my sspx church on weekends.  They dont have Daily Mass. Any thoughts?
    All we can do is our best. If it helps you stay true to God I doubt He would hold it against you. The penny from the beggar meant more to God than the generous donations of a rich man. Regardless of it's validity, you still sit through mass and make the effort. 
    Side note, I wouldn't give them a penny for the collection, and instead give it all to your main church.
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    Re: I have a question
    « Reply #3 on: March 03, 2019, 12:43:25 AM »
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  • I understand where you're getting at — most SSPX chapels don't have daily Mass. But it doesn't excuse going to the NO if you know that it's deficient.

    Pray for more vocations to the priesthood and more holy priests, which will help your cause greatly.
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    « Reply #4 on: March 03, 2019, 12:33:02 PM »
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  • All we can do is our best. If it helps you stay true to God I doubt He would hold it against you. The penny from the beggar meant more to God than the generous donations of a rich man. Regardless of it's validity, you still sit through mass and make the effort.
    Side note, I wouldn't give them a penny for the collection, and instead give it all to your main church.
    Im OP. 
    Of course, i only give my money to sspx church . Attending daily Mass at the NO is not the ideal but it helps me stay away from Sin.  TLM is superior and i would go to TLM Mass daily if able.


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    « Reply #5 on: March 03, 2019, 03:21:50 PM »
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  • If you knew everything about how the Novus Ordo is deficient, you wouldn't be posting this question.  Clearly you need more study and understanding of what the Novus Ordo is.  I would recommend Fr. Wathen's The Great Sacrilege and Fr. Cekada's Work of Human Hands

    If the laws of the Church mean anything at all, and if you can legitimately attend the Novus Ordo on weekdays, then you have no business breaking the ecclesiastical law by attending a chapel (or hearing Mass said by a priest) lacking the approbation of the local ordinary, such as the SSPX chapel.  

    Since you "know everything about how the Novus Ordo is deficient", which course of action would be blessed by God:  

    a) Because I wish to please God, I submit to His Will and forgo offending Him by attending a Novus Ordo.
    b) Because I wish to receive Holy Communion, even though attending the Novus Ordo is offensive to God, I will attend anyway.

    Which course of action puts God first, and which puts yourself first?

    I would wager that you haven't discussed this with your SSPX priest.  
    Well said!

    OP, to even consider going to the NO at all, for anything, demonstrates that you do not know everything about how Novus Ordo is deficient. It is not deficient, it is purposely evil. How many more closed and empty churches, seminaries, convents etc., and heretical abominations does it take for you to see it for what it is?

    For anyone who considers himself a trad to go to the NO at all, is to do that which is objectively wicked.

    The NOM and the sacrifice of Cain are both displeasing to God, we may not partake in any way, for any reason.

    Take your spiritual communion as often as you wish and you will preserve and strengthen your faith that way. Frequenting the NO will only lose whatever faith you have left. Stay away from the NO, time has proven that it is a deadly plague.

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    Re: I have a question
    « Reply #6 on: March 03, 2019, 09:21:06 PM »
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  • If you knew everything about how the Novus Ordo is deficient, you wouldn't be posting this question.  Clearly you need more study and understanding of what the Novus Ordo is.  I would recommend Fr. Wathen's The Great Sacrilege and Fr. Cekada's Work of Human Hands

    If the laws of the Church mean anything at all, and if you can legitimately attend the Novus Ordo on weekdays, then you have no business breaking the ecclesiastical law by attending a chapel (or hearing Mass said by a priest) lacking the approbation of the local ordinary, such as the SSPX chapel.  

    Since you "know everything about how the Novus Ordo is deficient", which course of action would be blessed by God:  

    a) Because I wish to please God, I submit to His Will and forgo offending Him by attending a Novus Ordo.
    b) Because I wish to receive Holy Communion, even though attending the Novus Ordo is offensive to God, I will attend anyway.

    Which course of action puts God first, and which puts yourself first?

    I would wager that you haven't discussed this with your SSPX priest.  
    How can i receive graces of daily Communion when my sspx chapel doesnt have it?
    The OP

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    « Reply #7 on: March 03, 2019, 11:30:38 PM »
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  • Are you saying a daily rosary?  If so, then say the full 15 decades every day.  Our Lady will give you all the graces you need.  She does not want you going to the Novus Ordo. 


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    « Reply #8 on: March 04, 2019, 04:56:03 AM »
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  • How can i receive graces of daily Communion when my sspx chapel doesnt have it?
    The OP
    Take your Spiritual Communion and keep away from the NO.

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    Re: I have a question
    « Reply #9 on: March 04, 2019, 08:30:31 AM »
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  • I know everything about how Novus Ordo is deficient. I have a desire to receive communion extra times during week so before i go to work i go to a daily morning NO Mass to receive communion. It helps me fight sins. If i had a trad church with daily Mass, i would go there. I hope God doesnt hold it against me for receiving during week in Novus Ordo. I receive in my sspx church on weekends.  They dont have Daily Mass. Any thoughts?
    Both Bishop Williamson and Fr Pfeiffer have said that it is ok to go to the Novus Ordo under those circumstances. 

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    « Reply #10 on: March 04, 2019, 08:32:28 AM »
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  • This speaks to the point made by Bishop Williamson, who asserted that spiritual benefit could be derived from attendance at the Novus Ordo Mass.  Now, if I believed that the Novus Ordo Mass were unquestionably valid, then I too might avail myself of receiving Holy Communion there during the week.  [In point of fact, I consider it to be positively doubtful and therefore will not receive ... except in danger of death, where doubtful Sacraments may be received if they are all that's available.  But, since I am not the Church, I cannot bind someone else's conscience with this personal conviction.]  Most Traditional Catholics are not aware that Pope St. Pius X himself gave permission for Catholics living in Orthodox areas to seek the Sacraments from the Orthodox ... provided they took measures to avoid doctrinal contamination and scandal.  At the end of the day, it is the Catholic Church which has power over the Sacraments, even those held hostage by schismatics and heretics, so Pope St. Pius X was perfectly right to make this allowance.  It's as if he was effectively commanding the Orthodox to provide the Sacraments which properly belong to the Church to faithful Catholics.


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    Re: I have a question
    « Reply #11 on: March 04, 2019, 08:35:56 AM »
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  • Both Bishop Williamson and Fr Pfeiffer have said that it is ok to go to the Novus Ordo under those circumstances.

    Not exactly.  They said that people could derive spiritual benefit from it ... if only per accidens and ex opere operantis.  Even if the Communion turns out to be invalid, one might derive the same fruit from as someone making a spiritual communion.  These are subjective considerations, and is not tantamount to saying that "it's OK".  People do not understand the distinctions that Bishop Williamson was making, and so they wrongly jump to the conclusion in the statement above.

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    « Reply #12 on: March 04, 2019, 08:40:10 AM »
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  • Take your Spiritual Communion and keep away from the NO.

    That's your personal opinion, but you cannot bind another's conscience with your assertion.  You might do well to persuade the OP that this is the correct approach rather than pontificating like this.

    Lay out the arguments for why people should NOT attend the Novus Ordo:

    1) positive doubt about the validity of the Sacraments.  If you can persuade someone of this doubt, then it's a demonstrable Catholics principle that one cannot receive doubtful Sacraments except in danger of death.

    2) the Novus Ordo displeases God, and so we should not participate in activities which displease God.

    3) potential harm to your faith that could be caused, especially over time, by exposure to the Novus Ordo.

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    Re: I have a question
    « Reply #13 on: March 04, 2019, 08:50:16 AM »
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  • I know everything about how Novus Ordo is deficient. I have a desire to receive communion extra times during week so before i go to work i go to a daily morning NO Mass to receive communion. It helps me fight sins. If i had a trad church with daily Mass, i would go there. I hope God doesnt hold it against me for receiving during week in Novus Ordo. I receive in my sspx church on weekends.  They dont have Daily Mass. Any thoughts?
    No mention of confessions. Where does he go for confession? If the occasions of sin are so bad that he needs to go to confession every day, how does he avoid going to confession every day? 
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  • I know everything about how Novus Ordo is deficient. I have a desire to receive communion extra times during week so before i go to work i go to a daily morning NO Mass to receive communion. It helps me fight sins. If i had a trad church with daily Mass, i would go there. I hope God doesnt hold it against me for receiving during week in Novus Ordo. I receive in my sspx church on weekends.  They dont have Daily Mass. Any thoughts?
    No mention of confessions. Where does he go for confession? If the occasions of sin are so bad that he feels the need to go to communion every day, how does he avoid going to confession every day?
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

     

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