Give money to pro-life groups?  Think again!  HLI for one(human life international) and it was Judy Brown, tell the world how nice and pro-life new order bishops and clergy are.  How nasty is that!  We know that catholic charities and such give to abortion and the dioceses knows very darn well that charities and program are supporting abortion.  Go figure, what a vicious circle of death!!  Lifesitenews does the same thing.  They will tell you the charities support abortion and then they will turn around and say how nice certain bishops are or how pro-life they are.  Truth is ALL dioceses are Marxist, ALL support gov't and State and Federal. They all receive $$ from grants, it is in their newspapers.

When the dioceses supports gov't and state and not for the saving of souls, you have Bolsheivik communism!!  

That is correct.

Give money to pro-life groups?  Think again!  HLI for one(human life international) and it was Judy Brown, tell the world how nice and pro-life new order bishops and clergy are.  How nasty is that!  We know that catholic charities and such give to abortion and the dioceses knows very darn well that charities and program are supporting abortion.  Go figure, what a vicious circle of death!!  Lifesitenews does the same thing.  They will tell you the charities support abortion and then they will turn around and say how nice certain bishops are or how pro-life they are.  Truth is ALL dioceses are Marxist, ALL support gov't and State and Federal. They all receive $$ from grants, it is in their newspapers.

When the dioceses supports gov't and state and not for the saving of souls, you have Bolsheivik communism!!  

all?

That's over the top, to say ALL

and you give absolutely NO proof. Show me the money trail.

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That is correct.

i gave up giving money to the Church (4 the most part) a long time ago

i sometimes wonder if ANYONE is a Christian. True, i don't socialize much, but.. hey, that's why i don't socialize.. so few serious christians

I know what you mean and how you feel, because I have been there and had my mind and heart destroyed (well, it feels that way sometimes,) but this way of thinking is unhealthy and un-Catholic. We cant make friends or find like-minded indeviduals if we dont look for them. Growing up, I spent my life waiting for some one to try and make friends with me, there were one or two people who did try but because of circuмstances it never happened. As I look back and around the present, any friends or relations out-side of my siblings is made by being the one to go to them and not too much the other way around.

I think (from observation) we "Christians" are a rather self-sorry bunch, if we are very Orthodox/Traditional and serius about our Faith, we become depressed that other people are so immoral and/or don't  like or understand us that we just shut ourselves away from other people. What we need is to practice HOPE, that there will be conversions, that there will be friends, that we will find others who we can look up to. I myself suffer from this disease of little Hope from time to time, and it seems to be chronic in a number of Trads. But, to get to Heaven we need Faith, HOPE, and Charity. We have to be the people we needed as role models growing up, in consideration for the next generation. Yes, it hurts like Hell but if it is not us, then who? If not now, when?

We must believe that good things happen because of our prayers and that thay SHALL happen in the future, even if we don't live to see it, like with the Cure of Ars and that one bad man who did not want to convert.

Faith and Hope are things that can and do come from the will, and God shall also give them to you if you ask and try to make the jump! We must tell God every day "Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, I believe, I adore, I Hope, and I Love Thee," even if we don't feel like we do. It is partly about whether we want to or not and if we decide we do (and then if we do anything about it). And if we continually insist that nothing good is coming in the future (at least in a spiritual sense) then we are not being good Catholics because without Hope what good is our Faith? And without Faith we have nothing to Hope for. Faith should beget Hope and vice-versa and the two together should bring forth Charity. Therefore, it is wrong to shut ourselves away from others if we are true Christians because if we really have Faith, then we have Hope, and if we truly have Hope, then out of Charity we must go out and share it with all who will partake even if 99% of folks dont want to hear it! If a group does not want to hear religious parlance they can always ask you to leave, just remember to pray for them.

I admittedly still don't have any others to socialize with on a regular basis but, there is no reason to be gloomy about it like I used to and say "this situation has persisted so long in my life it is never going to change!" That is not hopeful or healthy.