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I don't like singing/ 'tacky' church music?
« on: January 05, 2024, 11:46:07 PM »
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  • For context I have never been a big music person and I always disliked the singing I as children at school were forced to do. However after attending the latin mass for some time now I have mixed feelings on the music. Some of the music is ok (both latin and english) but most of it I do not like, I think it has to do with the style. The way the congregation sings is very 'boomerish' or I dare use the term 'gαy' (not as in abominable but more so 'uncool'). I am not sure how to describe it but I just find it very similar to how school singing was. I never respond at the mass or sing but majority of the time when the music comes on it is not pleasant to my ears.

    Am I just autistic? Does anyone else have issues with the music? And why do they sing in English before and after mass? I originally assumed it would be latin only (though sometimes the latin is sung in a way mentioned above...)

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    Re: I don't like singing/ 'tacky' church music?
    « Reply #1 on: January 06, 2024, 04:39:47 AM »
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  • Go to low Mass.  


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    Re: I don't like singing/ 'tacky' church music?
    « Reply #2 on: January 06, 2024, 05:40:12 AM »
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  • Every once in a while you’ll find a chapel with a choir that will make the hair stand up on your arms. The other 95 percent are just how you described. Boomerish.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    Re: I don't like singing/ 'tacky' church music?
    « Reply #3 on: January 06, 2024, 06:59:55 AM »
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  • I might know what you're talking about, but you'd really have to provide some sound clip examples.

    You aren't doing a very good job painting a picture, with words, of what you're talking about.

    Even if I can guess what you're talking about, it's only because I'm a big time music person. But even I could very well be off the mark re: what you're experiencing at your chapel.
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    Re: I don't like singing/ 'tacky' church music?
    « Reply #4 on: January 06, 2024, 08:10:27 AM »
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  • Go to low Mass. 
    Low Mass is no longer an escape for mant who attend Mass with the SSPX. In many locations, including where I attend, Low Masses always now include vernacular songa at the Procession, Offertory, Communion, and Recession. Liturgists, both good and poor, refer to this as the 4-Song German Sandwich because of its origins with the Liturgical Movement in Germany and Austria during the 1920s and 30s.
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    Re: I don't like singing/ 'tacky' church music?
    « Reply #5 on: January 06, 2024, 08:48:51 AM »
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  • Sounds like the novus Ordo style low mass.  Changes will be done in phases. 

    Maybe an entrance and recession song sung by congregation and priest.  No need for a choir at low mass.  I see the low mass as Irish penal times mass.  




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    Re: I don't like singing/ 'tacky' church music?
    « Reply #6 on: January 06, 2024, 09:25:40 AM »
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  • Well with the crisis in the Church yes, you're gonna get an amateur volunteer choir rather than a properly trained Scola. And even though the OP might sound petty at first glance I do agree it's another sacrifice that we make to not have music befitting the dignity and glory of the Mass.  Young people are not studying vocal music techniques as they did in the past so people don't know how to sing properly anymore. What you're left with is the warbling old lady singers. I know exactly what the OP is referring to.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 06, 2024, 10:14:08 AM »
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  • We have the Sharpe family singing high Mass. Exquisite doesn't even come close to describing the choir. Heavenly.
    After low Mass sometimes a few of us sing the Salve Regina. I think it's fine.


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    Re: I don't like singing/ 'tacky' church music?
    « Reply #8 on: January 06, 2024, 10:15:14 AM »
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  • sorry- that was my post above

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    Re: I don't like singing/ 'tacky' church music?
    « Reply #9 on: January 06, 2024, 10:50:18 AM »
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  • I agree with OP.  St. Pius X stated that it's better to have a Low Mass than to have a High Mass with bad singing.  I don't care for the schmaltzy English songs, and frankly I don't like anything other than a capella Gregorian chant during the Mass.  I much prefer Low Mass to anything other than High Mass with a capella chant.

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    Re: I don't like singing/ 'tacky' church music?
    « Reply #10 on: January 06, 2024, 10:52:19 AM »
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  • Low Mass is no longer an escape for mant who attend Mass with the SSPX. In many locations, including where I attend, Low Masses always now include vernacular songa at the Procession, Offertory, Communion, and Recession. Liturgists, both good and poor, refer to this as the 4-Song German Sandwich because of its origins with the Liturgical Movement in Germany and Austria during the 1920s and 30s.

    Ah, so that's where that came from.


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    Re: I don't like singing/ 'tacky' church music?
    « Reply #11 on: January 06, 2024, 11:39:28 AM »
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  • Regarding the "schmaltzy boomer music" I could probably post some samples or scans if I had time.

    But just because a song is in English doesn't mean it's crap. We don't sing any crap at our chapel.

    We do the 4-song during Low Mass but we only do English outside of Mass -- that is, the Processional and Recessional.
    The Offertory and Communion hymns are always Latin, and again, never gαy or schmaltzy.

    We have to get clever sometimes, like singing "Veni Veni Emmanuel" for the Offertory, so we never sing "O Come Emmanuel" at our chapel -- too many other important Advent hymns which DON'T have a Latin version.

    At our old SSPX chapel they didn't seem to have a prohibition on English hymns during Mass. There were some Communion hymns we never sing now for that reason -- they sure aren't suitable for processional/recessional -- so we never use them.
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    Re: I don't like singing/ 'tacky' church music?
    « Reply #12 on: January 06, 2024, 11:52:48 AM »
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  • But just because a song is in English doesn't mean it's crap. We don't sing any crap at our chapel.

    I get it.  I didn't say there was anything inherently wrong with it or that they're objectively crap, but, hey, de gustibus non disputandum.  I'm so tuned in to Gregorian chant that for me that's the only proper Liturgical music.  If you recall, there was a big debate about whether the Church would even admit early Palestrina-like polyphony.  And, of course, these songs are not Liturgical ... just saying I don't like them. ;)

    I also don't like singing the songs, so I get where OP's sensibilities come from.  I had no problem singing chant ... was in the so-called "St. Pius X" schola at STAS, which was the "top" schola there at the time, unfortunately directed by Urrutigoity.  I did absolutely despise one time where we had to sing an arrangement of Handel's Messiah at Easter time (the Hallelujah Chorus) where I got stuck singing what should have been the soprano parts, since I have a tenor voice, but with a partial falsetto.  In retrospect, Urrutigoity probably enjoyed it, trying to make men sing like young boys.  I was almost disgusted having to do that, and given who was behind it, Urrutigoity, almost feel somehow violated. :laugh1:

    When I was staying with Father Ringrose in the mid-1990s, I started a Gregorian schola there, which was all men and a capella, and we sounded pretty good ... except for the one time where we rather botched Easter Sunday (because we hadn't had time to practice ALL of Holy Week, so we kindof had to "wing" Easter Sunday, and messed up a few parts.  Holy Thursday - Easter Vigil went great though, where Solemnes might have been proud.

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    Re: I don't like singing/ 'tacky' church music?
    « Reply #13 on: January 06, 2024, 12:13:04 PM »
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  • But just because a song is in English doesn't mean it's crap. We don't sing any crap at our chapel.
    Anglican religious songs are far superior to the post-V2 Catholic repertoire in English -- and, unlike music of Presbyterian or Methodist origin, the Anglican music usually have nothing objectionable in the lyrics. I have a copy of the Anglican hymnal "Hymns Ancient and Modern". It is very good with many pieces suitable for Catholic use.
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    Re: I don't like singing/ 'tacky' church music?
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  • Anglican religious songs are far superior to the post-V2 Catholic repertoire in English -- and, unlike music of Presbyterian or Methodist origin, the Anglican music usually have nothing objectionable in the lyrics. I have a copy of the Anglican hymnal "Hymns Ancient and Modern". It is very good with many pieces suitable for Catholic use.

    I prefer "Glory and Praise Volume 3" :laugh1:



    I recall how my brothers an I acquired a very hard-to-find copy of "Volume 4" that very few people knew existed, and it contained the Carey Landry favorite "Giant Love Ball" among other hits.

    At one point at STAS, Marshall Roberts was playing the organ and mentioned that he might play something from "Glory and Praise," and I told him (tongue-in-cheek) that I'd go over there and drag him off his seat / bench by his surplice during Mass if he tried it, letting him know that I was intimately familiar with their contents (Vols 1 - 3) and would know.