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« Reply #90 on: December 18, 2025, 06:30:32 PM »
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  • Boomer literally had life on easy mode compared to their parents and children. A boomer could succeed a lot more with a small amount of suffering.

    They should be praised, not denigrated. They knew how to use struggle to their advantage.

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    « Reply #91 on: December 18, 2025, 06:46:17 PM »
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  • They should be praised, not denigrated. They knew how to use struggle to their advantage.
    Is it praise worthy to live in a time of abundance and succeed? Most boomers are morally decrepit. Worldly success aside they are not virtuous people.


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    « Reply #92 on: December 18, 2025, 06:48:38 PM »
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  • Also a possibility:

    Puer aeternus and autism symptoms

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    The Psychology of The Man-Child (Puer Aeternus) - Eternalised

    The Puer Aeternus (Eternal Youth) archetype, from Jungian psychology, describes a man-child avoiding adult responsibility, fear of entrapment, and living provisionally, while autism involves social difficulties, intense focus, and sensory overload; both can share themes of feeling disconnected from the 'real world' and inner fantasy, but Puer is about arrested development/fear, whereas autism is a neurodevelopmental difference, though interpretations like The Little Prince link the two archetypally as an innocent unable to adapt to adult reality. 

    Puer Aeternus (Eternal Youth) Archetype

        Core Trait: Fear of commitment, rules, and being trapped by adulthood; remaining adolescent.
        Behavior: Lives in fantasy, seeks easy stimulation (dopamine), avoids hard work, "failure to launch".
        Feeling: Life feels provisional, unreal, like waiting for the 'real' life to start.
        Symptoms: Dreams of imprisonment, inability to build lasting things, alienation.


    Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD)

        Core Trait: Neurodevelopmental differences in social communication, restricted/repetitive behaviors, sensory processing.
        Behavior: Difficulty with social cues, intense focus on specific interests, sensory sensitivities.
        Feeling: World can feel unsafe, overwhelming, leading to shutdown or survival mode.

    Potential Overlaps (Archetypal & Interpretive)

        Disconnection from Adult World: Both can lead to feeling alien from typical adult life and responsibilities.
        Inner Worlds/Fantasy: Puer escapes into fantasy; autistic individuals may retreat due to social overwhelm or intense special interests.
        The Little Prince Connection: Often interpreted as embodying a high-functioning autistic child unable to accept the adult world, retreating to an inner cosmos, similar to Puer's flight from reality.

    Key Distinction

        Puer Aeternus: A psychological pattern of avoidance rooted in fear of entrapment, a choice (even if unconscious) to remain immature.
        Autism: A fundamental difference in brain wiring that shapes how one experiences and interacts with the world, not just a refusal to grow up.

    In Summary

    While Puer Aeternus describes a personality pattern of perpetual adolescence and fear of commitment, and autism involves neurological differences, they can appear similar in their detachment from conventional adult life, with interpretations sometimes linking figures like The Little Prince to both archetypes as innocent figures estranged from an unappealing adult world.

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    Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
    « Reply #93 on: December 18, 2025, 06:59:02 PM »
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  • They should be praised, not denigrated. They knew how to use struggle to their advantage.

    While we don't judge any individual, I'll disagree there.  Boomers in general destroyed this country and the Church.  While their parents sacrifice to raise Boomers, the Boomers themselves had too few children, out of selfishness, to support themselves in retirement.  Where it used to be that there were 20 payers into Social Security for each recipient, it's closing in on 2.  That's not sustainable.  Naturally, if parents of 6, 8, 10 children, it's much less a burden on those children to help care for them when they get older, since they're only bearing a fraction of the cost or time or effort.

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    Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
    « Reply #94 on: December 18, 2025, 07:39:13 PM »
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  • Maybe a key in understanding what's really going on here:

    autistic Perseveration on Injustice


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    Autistic perseveration on injustice happens because a strong sense of fairness meets a neurodivergent tendency to get "stuck" on topics, leading to intense focus, rumination (circular thoughts), and distress over perceived wrongs, often feeling like a burning need to fix it, even when others seem unbothered. This "justice sensitivity" makes them notice unfairness deeply and struggle to let go, sometimes fueled by their own experiences of being invalidated, making it a powerful, often distressing, cognitive loop. 



    Why it happens

    • Heightened Justice Sensitivity: Autistic individuals often have a strong moral compass and see the world in black-and-white fairness, making injustice feel deeply wrong and unacceptable.
    • Cognitive Rigidity: Perseveration, or getting "stuck" on a thought, can focus intensely on the injustice, replaying it and seeking solutions endlessly.
    • Intense Empathy & Personal Experience: Having faced their own invalidation, they may intensely feel for others being wronged, creating a powerful drive to speak up and fix it.
    • Difficulty Letting Go: Unlike neurotypical responses where people might move on, autistic people can struggle to disengage from the unfair situation, making it feel urgent and consuming. 

    How it manifests

    • Ruminating Loops: Replaying the situation, wanting to say something, or figuring out how to right the wrong, even if it's unproductive.
    • Speaking Out: An intense need to call out unfairness, even when inconvenient or uncomfortable for themselves.
    • Distress & Overwhelm: Feeling deeply upset and unable to cope with the illogical nature of the injustice. 

    Managing the loop

    • Acknowledge & Validate: Recognize it's a real experience, not "overreacting".
    • Parking Lot: Write down the concerns to address later, freeing up mental space.
    • Shift Focus: Use calming special interests (music, a hobby) or physical activity as distraction.
    • Environmental Changes: Reduce demands, take breaks, use sensory tools (headphones, fidgets) to lower overload.
    • Seek Support: Talk to someone who listens, or use tools like anxiety apps. 



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    Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
    « Reply #95 on: December 19, 2025, 03:33:19 AM »
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  • Is it praise worthy to live in a time of abundance and succeed? Most boomers are morally decrepit. Worldly success aside they are not virtuous people.

    You've got sucked into the Marxist generational clash. The very reason the so-called "baby boomer" generation ended was because of the generation before it starting to take contraceptives.

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    Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
    « Reply #96 on: December 19, 2025, 03:34:41 AM »
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  • While we don't judge any individual, I'll disagree there.  Boomers in general destroyed this country and the Church.  While their parents sacrifice to raise Boomers, the Boomers themselves had too few children, out of selfishness, to support themselves in retirement.  Where it used to be that there were 20 payers into Social Security for each recipient, it's closing in on 2.  That's not sustainable.  Naturally, if parents of 6, 8, 10 children, it's much less a burden on those children to help care for them when they get older, since they're only bearing a fraction of the cost or time or effort.

    Marxist infuenced. Did you know that at the time V2 was approved, the baby boomers were ages from 1 year old to 19 years old?  And you think they destroyed the country and the Church? That's laughable.

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    Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
    « Reply #97 on: December 19, 2025, 04:52:22 AM »
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  • You've got sucked into the Marxist generational clash. The very reason the so-called "baby boomer" generation ended was because of the generation before it starting to take contraceptives.
    I can’t stand this generational conflict. It’s specifically an American thing because it’s rare here in UK to talk about oh you’re a boomer or boomer mentality. As you said it was the parents of the boomers taking contraceptives that caused them to only have two children on average!! Also WE don’t know what WE would have done (the ones younger than boomers) if we had had their upbringing. Hindsight is a fine thing. 


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    Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
    « Reply #98 on: December 19, 2025, 06:18:40 AM »
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  • You've got sucked into the Marxist generational clash. The very reason the so-called "baby boomer" generation ended was because of the generation before it starting to take contraceptives.
    The boomer were raised by the tulmidvision.

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    Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
    « Reply #99 on: December 19, 2025, 08:00:25 AM »
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  • Maybe a key in understanding what's really going on here:

    autistic Perseveration on Injustice


    AI Overview


    Autistic perseveration on injustice happens because a strong sense of fairness meets a neurodivergent tendency to get "stuck" on topics, leading to intense focus, rumination (circular thoughts), and distress over perceived wrongs, often feeling like a burning need to fix it, even when others seem unbothered. This "justice sensitivity" makes them notice unfairness deeply and struggle to let go, sometimes fueled by their own experiences of being invalidated, making it a powerful, often distressing, cognitive loop.



    Why it happens

    • Heightened Justice Sensitivity: Autistic individuals often have a strong moral compass and see the world in black-and-white fairness, making injustice feel deeply wrong and unacceptable.
    • Cognitive Rigidity: Perseveration, or getting "stuck" on a thought, can focus intensely on the injustice, replaying it and seeking solutions endlessly.
    • Intense Empathy & Personal Experience: Having faced their own invalidation, they may intensely feel for others being wronged, creating a powerful drive to speak up and fix it.
    • Difficulty Letting Go: Unlike neurotypical responses where people might move on, autistic people can struggle to disengage from the unfair situation, making it feel urgent and consuming.

    How it manifests

    • Ruminating Loops: Replaying the situation, wanting to say something, or figuring out how to right the wrong, even if it's unproductive.
    • Speaking Out: An intense need to call out unfairness, even when inconvenient or uncomfortable for themselves.
    • Distress & Overwhelm: Feeling deeply upset and unable to cope with the illogical nature of the injustice.

    Managing the loop

    • Acknowledge & Validate: Recognize it's a real experience, not "overreacting".
    • Parking Lot: Write down the concerns to address later, freeing up mental space.
    • Shift Focus: Use calming special interests (music, a hobby) or physical activity as distraction.
    • Environmental Changes: Reduce demands, take breaks, use sensory tools (headphones, fidgets) to lower overload.
    • Seek Support: Talk to someone who listens, or use tools like anxiety apps.
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    Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
    « Reply #100 on: December 19, 2025, 08:17:34 AM »
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  • I can’t stand this generational conflict. It’s specifically an American thing because it’s rare here in UK to talk about oh you’re a boomer or boomer mentality. As you said it was the parents of the boomers taking contraceptives that caused them to only have two children on average!! Also WE don’t know what WE would have done (the ones younger than boomers) if we had had their upbringing. Hindsight is a fine thing.

    What are you talking about?  Boomers are called Boomers precisely because they were many, so it was not their parents who took the contraceptivers but the Boomers who took the contraceptives.  While their parents had many children, they themselves turned around and had very few by comparison.

    Nor do I have any clue about why you're handwringing here about what "we" would have done.  That has nothing to do with the fact that what they as a group, or a general trend, did was right or wrong (using contraceptives is objectively wrong), and everyone obviously knows that not ALL Boomers took contraceptives, and this isn't about assessing blame for any particular individual.

    This is nonsensical, like saying that because, oh, there are high crimes rates among Black people, going off on talking about how we don't know what we would have done if we were Black.  That has absolutely nothing to do with the observations being made.

    AS A WHOLE, STATISTICALLY, AS A GROUP, the Boomers had too few chldren on order to sustain economic growth.  That's simply undeniable, and everybody realizes that very many of them did not use contraception or restrict their children, and to the extent that others did, God will judge them ... just like everybody realizes that there are very many Black people who are decent, upstanding, civilized individuals who do not commit violent crimes.

    This reminds me of an interview that Bishop Fellay gave (one that Bishop Williamson mocked), where a hostile interviewer called him out for having made statements about how Jews were enemies of the Catholic Church ... and he started dancing, backpedaling, hemming and hawing, to the point that it was pretty embarrassing.  You simply say that, "it obviously goes without saying that not ALL Jews are active, dedicated enemies of the Church, but that, generally speaking, the religious views and ideology to which a majority of Jews adhere are inimical to Catholicism.  If you were to ask Jews if they are at enmity with the Catholic Church, they would say yes.  After all, they believe that the man we accepted as the Messiah is an imposter.  It's no different than if I had said that Jews and Muslims are at enmity with one another and at odds, i.e. that Jews and Muslims are enemies ... due to opposing religious and ideological views.  We needn't snowflake out and deny reality.  If some Jew came up to me and told me that they hated the Catholic Church, I would at least respect their honest statement of their position, rather than if someone danced around it and pretended that it wasn't the case when it really was."


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    Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
    « Reply #101 on: December 19, 2025, 09:05:20 AM »
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  • What are you talking about?  Boomers are called Boomers precisely because they were many, so it was not their parents who took the contraceptivers but the Boomers who took the contraceptives.  While their parents had many children, they themselves turned around and had very few by comparison....
    I think the poster you responded to was "girlytrad" the cross-dressing limey who I also suspect was that goat-loving chap who was banned by Matthew a few months ago.  They have exactly the same marxist world view.

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    Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
    « Reply #102 on: December 19, 2025, 09:05:52 AM »
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  • I think the poster you responded to was "girlytrad" the cross-dressing limey who I also suspect was that goat-loving chap who was banned by Matthew a few months ago.  They have exactly the same marxist world view.
    This was me.

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    Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
    « Reply #103 on: December 19, 2025, 10:51:25 AM »
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  • I think the poster you responded to was "girlytrad" the cross-dressing limey who I also suspect was that goat-loving chap who was banned by Matthew a few months ago.  They have exactly the same marxist world view.

    I see that now, and realized on that other thread that this "girlytrad" posing as a female was certainly just LARPing as such, since there's no way a female writes like that.

    I do not, however, have any recollection of a cross-dressing limey banned moths ago ... so that connection eludes me.

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    « Reply #104 on: December 19, 2025, 10:57:48 AM »
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  • What are you talking about?  Boomers are called Boomers precisely because they were many, so it was not their parents who took the contraceptivers but the Boomers who took the contraceptives.  While their parents had many children, they themselves turned around and had very few by comparison.

    Nor do I have any clue about why you're handwringing here about what "we" would have done.  That has nothing to do with the fact that what they as a group, or a general trend, did was right or wrong (using contraceptivesa is objectively wrong), and everyone obviously knows that not ALL Boomers took contraceptives, and this isn't about assessing blame for any particular individual.

    This is nonsensical, like saying that because, oh, there are high crimes rates among Black people, going off on talking about how we don't know what we would have done if we were Black.  That has absolutely nothing to do with the observations being made.

    AS A WHOLE, STATISTICALLY, AS A GROUP, the Boomers had too few chldren on order to sustain economic growth.  That's simply undeniable, and everybody realizes that very many of them did not use contraception or restrict their children, and to the extent that others did, God will judge them ... just like everybody realizes that there are very many Black people who are decent, upstanding, civilized individuals who do not commit violent crimes.

    This reminds me of an interview that Bishop Fellay gave (one that Bishop Williamson mocked), where a hostile interviewer called him out for having made statements about how Jews were enemies of the Catholic Church ... and he started dancing, backpedaling, hemming and hawing, to the point that it was pretty embarrassing.  You simply say that, "it obviously goes without saying that not ALL Jews are active, dedicated enemies of the Church, but that, generally speaking, the religious views and ideology to which a majority of Jews adhere are inimical to Catholicism.  If you were to ask Jews if they are at enmity with the Catholic Church, they would say yes.  After all, they believe that the man we accepted as the Messiah is an imposter.  It's no different than if I had said that Jews and Muslims are at enmity with one another and at odds, i.e. that Jews and Muslims are enemies ... due to opposing religious and ideological views.  We needn't snowflake out and deny reality.  If some Jew came up to me and told me that they hated the Catholic Church, I would at least respect their honest statement of their position, rather than if someone danced around it and pretended that it wasn't the case when it really was."
    Actually you’re right, about the boomers, I apologise. Boomer years are 1946-1964 and contraception in the form of the pill only became widespread in 1960, so it would have been the boomers themselves taking contraception plus perhaps a few of their parents who had children 1960-64. We don’t talk in generational terms or emphasise the divide as much here in UK as Americans do so I got the dates wrong. I get your point about impossible to say what we’d do if we were black etc but what I meant is, we the younger generations (millennials, Gen X) can see the results of the boomers embracing Vatican 2 for example. We can see how church attendance declined, vocations declined since Vatican 2. But the people supporting the changes at the time couldn’t foresee this. They thought it was a new lease of life for the church, mass in the vernacular was going to somehow encourage people to embrace the liturgy etc etc!! We know now this didn’t happen but they didn’t know. I don’t know if any of that makes sense to you. But you must have made decisions that, with hindsight you know now were unwise?