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« Reply #75 on: December 18, 2025, 02:29:22 AM »
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  • Why is this bad advice?
    Male friends does not cure male loneliness. It's very difficult to have a close male friend unless you are young. Also it makes no sense to think a woman would care if a man has male friends or not.


    And the Lord God said: It is not good for man to be alone: let us make him a help like unto himself.
    And the Lord God built the rib which he took from Adam into a woman: and brought her to Adam.  23 And Adam said: This now is bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman, because she was taken out of man.  24 Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be two in one flesh.

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    « Reply #76 on: December 18, 2025, 02:32:00 AM »
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  • Right, and I talked about it too.  As with almost everything, as St. Augustine said virtus in medio stat, that virtue (usually) lies in the middle.  We have the Bergoglio distortion of "Who am I to judge?" ... which is that there is no objective right or wrong, that it's all relative.  But then the opposite extreme is judging the individual's internal forum, considering him "scuм".  That latter manifests itself more in one's attitude.  If you see a sodomite and you're thinking "what a filthy scuм", you're that's a warning sign that you're slipping into the latter territory.  Yes, what he's DOING may undoubtedly be filthy and scuмmy, but we always have to keep in mind the St. Augustine saying of "there but for the grace of God go I".  Would I be less scuмmy if I had been in his shoes?  Probably not.  Then of course, there's a different level of opposition where you oppose the MILITANT types, i.e. those who promote the liceity of their behavior in principle, vs. those are just sinners.

    So, absolutely, it's a very difficult balance to maintain, since at times it's very difficult to distinguish and to extricate the sin from the sinner, the depravity of the actual behavior from a judgment of the internal forum.

    Also, internal forum isn't just a person's "intention", since even the intention can be obvious just from the external forum.  Someone commits adultery or sodomy.  Intention is very clear ... personal grafitification of the emotional and/or physical variety.  That notion of "intention" is often conflated with that properly "internal forum" consideration that's in the inner sanctum of the soul, at the very deepest layer of free will that we ourselves often cannot discern and only God knows and can objectively judge.

    That's actually the absurdity of Bergoglio's Amoris Laetitia, here he says you can discern your own internal forum to decide whether adultery is wrong.  AT BEST you MIGHT be able to do some discernment about the degree of sinfulness regarding some of yoru PAST actions, where maybe you truly were ignorant or something.  Even then, God might judge that your ignorance was culpable since there was a leve at which you didn't really want to know and therefore did not try too hard to find out.  At that level, we ourselves do not generally know, and only God does and will reveal it to us at our particular judgment.  But that Bergoglio said that people could work with their confessors to internal-forum discern whether they could CONTINUE in the current objectively-sinful activity, it's ridiculous.  At this point, if you're even "discerning", it's clear than that you KNOW by now that it's objectively sinful.  What they're really claiming is ... you're deciding whether objective rules of morality apply in your own situation because "it's just too hard" or "it's OK since I really love this person".  They're using it to bend the objective rules of morality and not actually to assess their degree of culpability.
    Ok but I can see externally that a fat person is far, tattoos are external things too. I might not know why a woman has a tattoos but I do know they indicate mental illness/family trouble. I do know that you cannot get fat without eating excessive amounts of calories. I would expect more also from people who are supposed to be TRADITIONAL. I would think that if a child is fat either the parents are ignorant of basic nutrient/macro/calorie information or they know this info but are still not feeding their kids correctly. There are things that can be deduced, even if I do not know the internal forum.


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    Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
    « Reply #77 on: December 18, 2025, 03:39:58 AM »
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  • The myth that struggle or suffering builds character is another boomerism that needs to die. Nine times out of ten, suffering just makes people worse because it gives them an excuse to wound collect and behave like shitheads. "I was raped as a kid, that's why I'm an asshole!"
    I think it depends on how you respond to the suffering you’ve endured. Some people develop victim mentality, others learn and grow. I don’t think we can judge people unless we know their history. There are people I know who, if I’d had their childhoods I’d probably now be in prison.

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    « Reply #78 on: December 18, 2025, 07:38:40 AM »
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  • I think it depends on how you respond to the suffering you’ve endured. Some people develop victim mentality, others learn and grow.
    Parents are a big factor in this. I've had very hard times, where I though: "Why aren't my parents helping me?"

    But now I know why. They would never let me be on the street, I always had a place to live, but you need some balance with letting your coming of age children work out life.

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    « Reply #79 on: December 18, 2025, 09:34:55 AM »
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  • The problem with your advice is that it doesn't touch the issue. Ops problem is with other people yet you ignore that and act like a Boomer. Because your advice is missing the mark completely, it's as if you didn't even consider what op wrote, because if you did you wouldnt have given generic platitudes.

    Op already said he's doing what he can, other that lads advice do you have anything that i actually useful to say to him?
    Op doesn't seem to be doing "what he can", though. Op seems to want to make everything external to himself; all his problems are from other people. His Faith also seems to consist mainly of externals too; other Catholics should do x, y, & z or I can't be at peace.
     
    It's one of the primary lessons to be taken from the story of Adam and Eve. Even though their external situation was perfect, they still screwed it up. And every single one of us would do the same. If you put me in the Garden, I would've fallen, so would you. If you had all the things that you complain about; a perfect upbringing, surrounded by perfect people, a perfect society, had a 12 year old, white, submissive, virgin slave girl, etc., you'd still mess it up and find something to complain about. If I had all the things that I think would make my life perfect, I'd screw it up too. It can be hard to face, but it is true and the truth really does set a person free. Our main problem is internal, it's ourselves.

    The same with the Faith. It seems at times that trads fall into the same basic errors as the Pharisees; degrade the Faith into a list of rules and external practices and give little heed to the inward man. The sad truth is that even if everything was restored in the Church, the way we talk about so often here, we'd still screw it up and find something to complain about. I often wonder now if that isn't maybe why the present situation exists; so that we may have a chance to see.

    Neither shall they say: Behold here, or behold there. For lo, the kingdom of God is within you.
    [Luke 17:21]


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    « Reply #80 on: December 18, 2025, 11:36:55 AM »
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  • Unless some opinion of theirs has been defined by the Church, they are not permitted to withhold the Sacraments from the faithful who ask for them.  Given their lack of jurisdiction, and their role as emergency dispensers of the Sacraments, it's only the faithful requesting the Sacraments that permit them to do so at all, so they're not in any position to deny them except in the case of something obvious that's clearly defined by the Church, and not just something they decided is certain due to their own reasoning.

    They may opine on the matter, but that's it.  "I believe that +Thuc-line bishops and priests are not valid.  If you go there, you're putting your soul in grave danger.  Here's the reasoning behind why I think that."  If they layman says, "thanks for the advice, but I don't agee" and they ask for the Sacraments, then the priest must provide them.  Bishops have no more authority than priests, but are there as emergency dispensers of the Sacraments that priests cannot provid ... Holy Orders and confirmation.  I wish the Traditonal bishops would stop carrying around their croziers and sitting on thrones.  They need to drop that and use a faldstool during Mass.

    They are making a conclusion about sin. This is what they are required to do. Priests make rules about approaching the communion rail. Those policies aren't looked at as mere opinion that they shouldn't be making. Every accepts those rules even when they differ among priests.

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    « Reply #81 on: December 18, 2025, 11:42:05 AM »
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  • How does getting married and having children solve a man's problems? 

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    « Reply #82 on: December 18, 2025, 11:54:59 AM »
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  • Op doesn't seem to be doing "what he can", though. Op seems to want to make everything external to himself; all his problems are from other people. His Faith also seems to consist mainly of externals too; other Catholics should do x, y, & z or I can't be at peace.
     
    It's one of the primary lessons to be taken from the story of Adam and Eve. Even though their external situation was perfect, they still screwed it up. And every single one of us would do the same. If you put me in the Garden, I would've fallen, so would you. If you had all the things that you complain about; a perfect upbringing, surrounded by perfect people, a perfect society, had a 12 year old, white, submissive, virgin slave girl, etc., you'd still mess it up and find something to complain about. If I had all the things that I think would make my life perfect, I'd screw it up too. It can be hard to face, but it is true and the truth really does set a person free. Our main problem is internal, it's ourselves.

    The same with the Faith. It seems at times that trads fall into the same basic errors as the Pharisees; degrade the Faith into a list of rules and external practices and give little heed to the inward man. The sad truth is that even if everything was restored in the Church, the way we talk about so often here, we'd still screw it up and find something to complain about. I often wonder now if that isn't maybe why the present situation exists; so that we may have a chance to see.

    Neither shall they say: Behold here, or behold there. For lo, the kingdom of God is within you.
    [Luke 17:21]

    This ^. OP needs to read or listen to St. Alphonsus's Uniformity with God's Will:

    https://www.ecatholic2000.com/liguori/sal2.shtml



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    « Reply #83 on: December 18, 2025, 12:06:09 PM »
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  • They are making a conclusion about sin. This is what they are required to do. Priests make rules about approaching the communion rail. Those policies aren't looked at as mere opinion that they shouldn't be making. Every accepts those rules even when they differ among priests.
    The Church makes the rules, not priests. 

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    « Reply #84 on: December 18, 2025, 03:42:25 PM »
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  • Anon #1 and Anon #2 want to complain about their circuмstances and feel justified in their indignation, not take good spiritual advice from older more seasoned men.

    That’s the jist of it. They will only entertain those that agree with them.


    That's overly simplisitic. "Seasoned" men these days would be regarded as spoilt brats by every other generation.

    They have attitudes that are not in conformity with the past.

    It can be easily demonstrated.

    The younger men, like anon 1 and 2, are just reverting to the attitudes of the past. 

    That is a good thing. They should be praised for it. 


    But the vile boomers want to control the narrative.

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    « Reply #85 on: December 18, 2025, 03:44:35 PM »
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  • I'm op and lads comment was helpful. I'm not sure why you are being so rude.

    I honestly can't see how he was helpful. But whatever floats your boat. 

    You spoke about what people say. The objective is the most important thing.

    It should be obvious to people that we must have compassion. We dont need Lad giving us 20 page essays about it.

    He clearly doesn't know how to restrain himself and be brief.


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    « Reply #86 on: December 18, 2025, 03:46:33 PM »
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  • Yeah, unfortunately, there's something that got under his skin, undoubtedly calling out a lack of charity in judging the internal forum, and for pointing how it is that the saints were able to consider themselves the greatest of sinners, i.e. how they sincerely believed it to be true.

    Every since then he's been lashing out ... perhaps something goaded his conscience.  When that happens, there's usually a decision point, where you either double down or you start to think whether or not some adjustment might be needed.

    His tone reminds me an awful lot of when Our Lord accused the Pharisees, and they responded with increased hatred.


    Lol keep telling yourself that.


    Anything but actually accept being shown how your behavior is abnormal.

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    « Reply #87 on: December 18, 2025, 05:37:43 PM »
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    « Reply #88 on: December 18, 2025, 06:13:59 PM »
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  • The myth that struggle or suffering builds character is another boomerism that needs to die. Nine times out of ten, suffering just makes people worse because it gives them an excuse to wound collect and behave like shitheads. "I was raped as a kid, that's why I'm an asshole!"

    You fell for the Marxist pitting younger generations against older ones. Yes, you have.

    Boomers say that suffering and struggle builds character BECAUSE they knew how. It doesn't do so unless you know how to work with. People over 60 knew how.

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    « Reply #89 on: December 18, 2025, 06:23:13 PM »
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  • You fell for the Marxist pitting younger generations against older ones. Yes, you have.

    Boomers say that suffering and struggle builds character BECAUSE they knew how. It doesn't do so unless you know how to work with. People over 60 knew how.

    Boomer literally had life on easy mode compared to their parents and children. A boomer could succeed a lot more with a small amount of suffering.