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Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
« Reply #60 on: December 17, 2025, 04:33:55 PM »
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  • I'm neither a troll nor an agent.
    Your attempted straw-manning is sub par even for the internet.
    Since when is compassion separated from truth telling? 
    You told op to go to therapy.... 

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    « Reply #61 on: December 17, 2025, 04:34:52 PM »
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  • The OP sounds lonely. He may think finding the right woman will solve his problem, which it will not. He needs men friends. No woman is going to trust a man who does not have friends who are men. Hanging around with other men may help him adjust so he does not appear whiny to others.
    Bad advice.


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    « Reply #62 on: December 17, 2025, 04:39:50 PM »
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    « Reply #63 on: December 17, 2025, 04:59:06 PM »
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  • Alternatively, trad clerics (+Sanborn included) should not refuse the Sacraments to those faithful who do not submit to their opinions

    Priests have a conscience and have to handle things the best way they know how. Study the issue, perhaps you will agree with whatever it is. If not, life is tough, comply if you want the Sacraments. Offer it up. Consider it a penance. It's worth it.

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    Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
    « Reply #64 on: December 17, 2025, 05:10:34 PM »
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  • Priests have a conscience and have to handle things the best way they know how. Study the issue, perhaps you will agree with whatever it is. If not, life is tough, comply if you want the Sacraments. Offer it up. Consider it a penance. It's worth it.
    lol "Just comply bro"

    Trad clerics are here to provide the sacraments to the faithful. That's their job. That's what they "signed up" to do.

    I pray they reconsider and cease their spiritual blackmail now, because if they do not they will be forced to answer for it when they are judged by God.

    And I have a sneaking suspicion that telling Him, "well, shucks, they just refused to hold my opinion as a rule of faith..so I just had to withhold the Sacraments which Christ instituted for the salvation of the faithful until they obeyed me!" isn't going to cut it


    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


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    Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
    « Reply #65 on: December 17, 2025, 05:21:28 PM »
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  • Priests have a conscience and have to handle things the best way they know how. Study the issue, perhaps you will agree with whatever it is. If not, life is tough, comply if you want the Sacraments. Offer it up. Consider it a penance. It's worth it.

    Unless some opinion of theirs has been defined by the Church, they are not permitted to withhold the Sacraments from the faithful who ask for them.  Given their lack of jurisdiction, and their role as emergency dispensers of the Sacraments, it's only the faithful requesting the Sacraments that permit them to do so at all, so they're not in any position to deny them except in the case of something obvious that's clearly defined by the Church, and not just something they decided is certain due to their own reasoning.

    They may opine on the matter, but that's it.  "I believe that +Thuc-line bishops and priests are not valid.  If you go there, you're putting your soul in grave danger.  Here's the reasoning behind why I think that."  If they layman says, "thanks for the advice, but I don't agee" and they ask for the Sacraments, then the priest must provide them.  Bishops have no more authority than priests, but are there as emergency dispensers of the Sacraments that priests cannot provid ... Holy Orders and confirmation.  I wish the Traditonal bishops would stop carrying around their croziers and sitting on thrones.  They need to drop that and use a faldstool during Mass.

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    « Reply #66 on: December 17, 2025, 05:27:39 PM »
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  • Unless some opinion of theirs has been defined by the Church, they are not permitted to withhold the Sacraments from the faithful who ask for them.  Given their lack of jurisdiction, and their role as emergency dispensers of the Sacraments, it's only the faithful requesting the Sacraments that permit them to do so at all, so they're not in any position to deny them except in the case of something obvious that's clearly defined by the Church, and not just something they decided is certain due to their own reasoning.

    They may opine on the matter, but that's it.  "I believe that +Thuc-line bishops and priests are not valid.  If you go there, you're putting your soul in grave danger.  Here's the reasoning behind why I think that."  If they layman says, "thanks for the advice, but I don't agee" and they ask for the Sacraments, then the priest must provide them.  Bishops have no more authority than priests, but are there as emergency dispensers of the Sacraments that priests cannot provid ... Holy Orders and confirmation.  I wish the Traditonal bishops would stop carrying around their croziers and sitting on thrones.  They need to drop that and use a faldstool during Mass.

    Every moral conclusion we make for ourselves in conscience must be considered a true opinion and acted upon. That is what the priests do, and they have a right and duty to do it.

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    « Reply #67 on: December 17, 2025, 05:31:32 PM »
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  • Yes, it is definitively denigration. He doesn't claim to be pope, he doesn't do anything a pope does. He doesn't claim ordinary jurisdiction. People just denigrate him because they don't like some decisions he has made. Mistaken conclusions don't warrant denigration. The mature Catholic will say he is mistaken, and show why.

    You're also rather dense.  That's why the poster quoted "Popes", and he most certainly does one thing that Popes do, which was the point of comparison, namely, that they impose the opinions on the consciences of others.  That's not denigration, but a legitimate objection to his having overstepped his bounds.  Your posts are embarrassing, and so I undrstand why you refuse to decloak.


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    Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
    « Reply #68 on: December 17, 2025, 05:36:06 PM »
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  • I'm op and lads comment was helpful. I'm not sure why you are being so rude.

    Yeah, unfortunately, there's something that got under his skin, undoubtedly calling out a lack of charity in judging the internal forum, and for pointing how it is that the saints were able to consider themselves the greatest of sinners, i.e. how they sincerely believed it to be true.

    Every since then he's been lashing out ... perhaps something goaded his conscience.  When that happens, there's usually a decision point, where you either double down or you start to think whether or not some adjustment might be needed.

    His tone reminds me an awful lot of when Our Lord accused the Pharisees, and they responded with increased hatred.

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    « Reply #69 on: December 17, 2025, 10:40:49 PM »
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  • Anon #1 and Anon #2 want to complain about their circuмstances and feel justified in their indignation, not take good spiritual advice from older more seasoned men.

    That’s the jist of it. They will only entertain those that agree with them.
    https://x.com/mattforney/status/2001359957187293680
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    This is directionally correct but ignores the very real hatred and contempt boomer men have for their sons and their sick fascination with bending over backwards for their daughters. 
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    All boomers regardless of political belief are simps. They will do anything for their daughters, bail them out of any bad situation, while leaving their sons to twist in the wind. A while back, a guy posted on here about how he justifiably felt a little resentment when he offered to buy his dad's car off him and was told no only for the dad to outright give it to the guy's sister when she could afford to buy her own car. Every millennial guy and tons of zoomers, the ones with sisters, have stories of our parents screwing us over like this to some degree. Some creep replied to OP to the effect of "your dad was right to screw you over, and in fact, I'm going to personally pay my daughter's rent so she doesn't have to marry some dirtbag for money" (what is this, 1750?). I'm convinced that if infanticide were legal, a significant number of boomers would have left their infant sons exposed on a hilltop. 
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    Boomers have a bizarre two-tier mentality where their sons are expected to scrape and fight for everything with no help whatsoever, a cartoonish interpretation of trad masculinity, while they encourage their daughters to be progressive, aim for the stars, and give them everything they can to help. DEI played perfectly on the boomer's character defects because it allowed them justification for something they'd already been doing. 
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    Another example: I once worked at a tech startup run by a boomer. He hired a Filipina administrative assistant and treated her like a daughter, at one point buying her a Mercedes on the company dime. She totaled it a week later because she was that bad of an alcoholic. She was also later discovered to have embezzled a quarter of a million from the company. 
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    The recent trend of Zillow crack shack slop posting is the final degeneration of the boomer's obsession with protecting his daughters and eating his sons. "Man up" style shaming language is used to browbeat young white men into accepting third class status. "Lower your expectations, white man. Move to Shitstain, Iowa, work at Hy-Vee, and live in a former meth lab. You don't deserve to have dreams or ambitions. OTHER people get to be doctors, lawyers, tech workers, or politicians, but not you. You're a pussy if you don't choose to immiserate yourself." The boomer would never dare give that advice to his daughter. He's probably paying her law school tuition. He almost certainly put her on birth control when she was 16 because he didn't have the balls to tell her not to be a slut (while telling his son he would kill him if he got anyone pregnant at that age).
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    Why are boomers like this? Is it because they're afraid of their wives (boomer women are borderline feral)? Is it because they want to fuck their daughters? Is it because they view their sons as sɛҳuąƖ competition? Either way, we see the effects of it all around us. 
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    DEI was able to destroy the lives of white male millennials and zoomers because it played to the boomer's cucked, servile, wounded ego. If boomer men didn't have an incestuous obsession with their daughters, none of this pressure from women and minorities would have worked.


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    Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
    « Reply #70 on: December 17, 2025, 11:34:18 PM »
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  • You told op to go to therapy....
    ...and? Is therapy, or thinking that someone might possibly benefit from it, sinful now?

    To be precise, though, I did not NOT tell you to go to therapy, I deliberately said this:

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    Some time back it was recommended that you seek professional help. I can't say that that advice was wrong. Hard as it may be to admit, your biggest problems might be yours, and not due to everyone and everything outside yourself.


    If I were Croix, I would say that you need your ass kicked. And there's truth to that, I'm sure that it would be of some help. But it would likely only result in an external change. As long as someone is around, you'd act better, but as soon as the pressure was off it'd be back to the same silliness. 

    I'm convinced that there is an aspect of maturing that is of free choice. One has to consciously decide to grow up, to be willing to do the necessary work. But you have to do it ONLY because you want to. You shouldn't do it for me or for anyone else here, or for your family, or (you'll probably consider it highly impious of me to say) even for God Himself. You should do it for YOU.
     
    So, as far as therapy goes, I have not and would not absolutely tell you to go. Anyways, unless you want it, want to see if it's a tool that might be helpful, and are willing to put in the work, it wouldn't do any good.

    An additional point about external factors that I think deserving of consideration. Immaturity, or delayed maturity, is becoming a more and more common problem in the world, especially the West. 

    1) Technology and social programs have taken much of the physical danger out of life. The effects of an action, or inaction, are no longer so immediate. So people don't learn simple lessons and skills that should be, and were once considered, common sense. 

    2) Lack of fathers in the home. People do sometimes need a kick in the butt. Dad is usually the one best equipped to give it.

    I give these as reasons to help explain a phenomenon, NOT to be used to further a shitty, excuse seeking, paralyzing attitude. When you have a need that isn't being met, obey our Lord's directive, "Seek and you shall find". 

    Technology causing you problems? Shut it off or at least figure out a way to use it as a help rather than a hindrance to your advancement.

    No dad around to kick you in the butt? Then you better learn to kick it yourself.

    You fail, fall back into old habits? Get up, try to figure out what went wrong, make changes and try again. And again. And again. And again...... as many times as necessary.

    You want to dismiss this as a bunch out of touch boomer platitudes? Go right ahead. No one owes you guys a damn thing and I'm guilt-trip proof. When you get old enough, you'll realize that the only person you've really been hurting with your crap is yourself, and it's your own fault. :laugh1: :jester: :laugh2:

    Now I'm off to do fun boomer things. See Ya!




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    Re: I am tired of fake lukewarm trads
    « Reply #71 on: December 18, 2025, 12:32:05 AM »
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  • ...and? Is therapy, or thinking that someone might possibly benefit from it, sinful now?

    To be precise, though, I did not NOT tell you to go to therapy, I deliberately said this:

    Professional help = therapy 

    You seen upset you got called out. And no saying vaguely "professional help" isn't helpful. Your first comment had no direction, it was an empty lecture. Ladislaus is a good example of someone making an attempt to help and address the problems op mentioned.

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  • ...and? Is therapy, or thinking that someone might possibly benefit from it, sinful now?

    To be precise, though, I did not NOT tell you to go to therapy, I deliberately said this:


    If I were Croix, I would say that you need your ass kicked. And there's truth to that, I'm sure that it would be of some help. But it would likely only result in an external change. As long as someone is around, you'd act better, but as soon as the pressure was off it'd be back to the same silliness.

    I'm convinced that there is an aspect of maturing that is of free choice. One has to consciously decide to grow up, to be willing to do the necessary work. But you have to do it ONLY because you want to. You shouldn't do it for me or for anyone else here, or for your family, or (you'll probably consider it highly impious of me to say) even for God Himself. You should do it for YOU.
     
    So, as far as therapy goes, I have not and would not absolutely tell you to go. Anyways, unless you want it, want to see if it's a tool that might be helpful, and are willing to put in the work, it wouldn't do any good.

    An additional point about external factors that I think deserving of consideration. Immaturity, or delayed maturity, is becoming a more and more common problem in the world, especially the West.

    1) Technology and social programs have taken much of the physical danger out of life. The effects of an action, or inaction, are no longer so immediate. So people don't learn simple lessons and skills that should be, and were once considered, common sense.

    2) Lack of fathers in the home. People do sometimes need a kick in the butt. Dad is usually the one best equipped to give it.

    I give these as reasons to help explain a phenomenon, NOT to be used to further a shitty, excuse seeking, paralyzing attitude. When you have a need that isn't being met, obey our Lord's directive, "Seek and you shall find".

    Technology causing you problems? Shut it off or at least figure out a way to use it as a help rather than a hindrance to your advancement.

    No dad around to kick you in the butt? Then you better learn to kick it yourself.

    You fail, fall back into old habits? Get up, try to figure out what went wrong, make changes and try again. And again. And again. And again...... as many times as necessary.

    You want to dismiss this as a bunch out of touch boomer platitudes? Go right ahead. No one owes you guys a damn thing and I'm guilt-trip proof. When you get old enough, you'll realize that the only person you've really been hurting with your crap is yourself, and it's your own fault. :laugh1: :jester: :laugh2:

    Now I'm off to do fun boomer things. See Ya!
    The problem with your advice is that it doesn't touch the issue. Ops problem is with other people yet you ignore that and act like a Boomer. Because your advice is missing the mark completely, it's as if you didn't even consider what op wrote, because if you did you wouldnt have given generic platitudes.

    Op already said he's doing what he can, other that lads advice do you have anything that i actually useful to say to him?

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    « Reply #73 on: December 18, 2025, 01:46:36 AM »
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  • ...and? Is therapy, or thinking that someone might possibly benefit from it, sinful now?

    To be precise, though, I did not NOT tell you to go to therapy, I deliberately said this:


    If I were Croix, I would say that you need your ass kicked. And there's truth to that, I'm sure that it would be of some help. But it would likely only result in an external change. As long as someone is around, you'd act better, but as soon as the pressure was off it'd be back to the same silliness.

    I'm convinced that there is an aspect of maturing that is of free choice. One has to consciously decide to grow up, to be willing to do the necessary work. But you have to do it ONLY because you want to. You shouldn't do it for me or for anyone else here, or for your family, or (you'll probably consider it highly impious of me to say) even for God Himself. You should do it for YOU.
     
    So, as far as therapy goes, I have not and would not absolutely tell you to go. Anyways, unless you want it, want to see if it's a tool that might be helpful, and are willing to put in the work, it wouldn't do any good.

    An additional point about external factors that I think deserving of consideration. Immaturity, or delayed maturity, is becoming a more and more common problem in the world, especially the West.

    1) Technology and social programs have taken much of the physical danger out of life. The effects of an action, or inaction, are no longer so immediate. So people don't learn simple lessons and skills that should be, and were once considered, common sense.

    2) Lack of fathers in the home. People do sometimes need a kick in the butt. Dad is usually the one best equipped to give it.

    I give these as reasons to help explain a phenomenon, NOT to be used to further a shitty, excuse seeking, paralyzing attitude. When you have a need that isn't being met, obey our Lord's directive, "Seek and you shall find".

    Technology causing you problems? Shut it off or at least figure out a way to use it as a help rather than a hindrance to your advancement.

    No dad around to kick you in the butt? Then you better learn to kick it yourself.

    You fail, fall back into old habits? Get up, try to figure out what went wrong, make changes and try again. And again. And again. And again...... as many times as necessary.

    You want to dismiss this as a bunch out of touch boomer platitudes? Go right ahead. No one owes you guys a damn thing and I'm guilt-trip proof. When you get old enough, you'll realize that the only person you've really been hurting with your crap is yourself, and it's your own fault. :laugh1: :jester: :laugh2:

    Now I'm off to do fun boomer things. See Ya!
    The myth that struggle or suffering builds character is another boomerism that needs to die. Nine times out of ten, suffering just makes people worse because it gives them an excuse to wound collect and behave like shitheads. "I was raped as a kid, that's why I'm an asshole!"

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    « Reply #74 on: December 18, 2025, 01:52:18 AM »
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  • The myth that struggle or suffering builds character is another boomerism that needs to die. Nine times out of ten, suffering just makes people worse because it gives them an excuse to wound collect and behave like shitheads. "I was raped as a kid, that's why I'm an asshole!"
    This is partially true. If someone doesn't carry their cross then their sufferings won't benefit them, for most secular people it is so.