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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on April 16, 2016, 01:16:31 PM
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My husband has decided that he wants to move out of the country since he is fed up with how things are here. Thing is, I do not want to move, My kids have friends here, my family is here. I have had heated arguments with him but he is dead set on his ways. I am depressed.
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There is nowhere to run to and hide. No matter where you will move to, whatever is going on here will catch up with you. Sooner rather than later.
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In other words, you can't escape it. And your husband is being very, very foolish if he actually thinks that you can.
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A family member of mine has recently said the same thing. So, I believe I understand your situation to a degree. And, I will say only this; you need to do (more) penance for your husband. And, if you don't know what penance is, pray for understanding.
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. And, I will say only this; you need to do (more) penance for your husband. And, if you don't know what penance is, pray for understanding.
She's still living with him. She knows full well what penance is!
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Pick any time and any place in history and you will find the devil hard at work.
Life is a test: you have to pass with the problems God puts before you.
Running off to another country will probably increase the severity of the problems you'll have to face.
The grass is NOT greener elsewhere.....they have the same polution.
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Op
I'm fed up that I might divorce.
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I'm afraid that this is one of those things in which husbands have the final say. He supports the family and he decides where the family will live.
You can of course trying to convince him GENTLY in a feminine way (don't fight and don't beg!). The less thing you need is for him to become defensive as that may make him even more stubborn.
I don't think that is a valid reason for a separation and of course never divorce. If you cannot convince him to stay, I think you will just have to obey your husband in this one and accept it as God's will.
Offer up your sacrifice and suffering to God for the conversion of sinners and atonement of sin.
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I'm afraid that this is one of those things in which husbands have the final say. He supports the family and he decides where the family will live.
You can of course trying to convince him GENTLY in a feminine way (don't fight and don't beg!). The less thing you need is for him to become defensive as that may make him even more stubborn.
I don't think that is a valid reason for a separation and of course never divorce. If you cannot convince him to stay, I think you will just have to obey your husband in this one and accept it as God's will.
Offer up your sacrifice and suffering to God for the conversion of sinners and atonement of sin.
Well said.
Perhaps there have been too many threads on CathInfo excusing divorce under certain circuмstances, or saying that it's not necessarily mortally sinful. That is true, but let's not forget that good-old-fashioned divorce IS mortally sinful. It means you are going against your wedding vows, and your obligation before God towards your children and your husband (the marital debt, for starters).
Separation (not divorce) is lawful if your husband is beating you. You can also separate (not divorce) if your husband commits adultery. You still can't get remarried, though.
But everything else, wives have to obey their husbands. There is far too little trust and obedience today, especially among traditional Catholics.
It's always easy to obey your husband when you agree with him! That's not obedience, that's doing your own will WHICH HAPPENS TO BE HIS WILL. The obligation of obedience for wives certainly extends to things they don't want to do!
You can't just divorce your husband because you "miss your family". When you marry, you cleave to your husband or wife, and the "two become one flesh". Family is important, but not as important as YOUR OWN FAMILY! How can you claim some deep loyalty to your mom, dad and siblings, when you don't care what happens to your own children and husband!
Talk about misplaced devotion. Your own family comes first.
If anyone thinks that the modern world, feminism, etc. haven't entered Tradition, think again!
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I think he's thinking the grass will be greener somewhere else when it probably isn't.
Why not suggest that you visit the place he'd like to live for 6-18 months? Then, come home and re-evaluate the idea of a permanent move. Give it long enough to really miss the things your current location has to offer and to bring out the pitfalls of the new place.
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The Imitation of Christ says that if you seek to get away from one cross, you will run into another, and it will probably be a heavier one than the one you sought to escape from.
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Is this just a knee jerk reaction of his?
Is he giving up a good job and does he have a comparable or better job waiting for him?
Does his new job offer benefits and security?
Do you have to sell a house and what are the prices in the new country?
What are the rules for non citizens buying a house?
How about schools? Are they as good as what you're leaving?
What are the rules for non citzens there? Do you have to pay?
What about church? Is you faith center available in the new country?
How will you live without medical coverage in a new country for maybe a year?
Can you afford the moving expenses?
How old are the children? Are they old enough to cause major resistance?
Are your parents going to need your help in the forseeable future?
Is the place you're considering accepting of newcomers?
Do you know ANYONE there?
Are you just jumping from the frying pan into the fire?
The traditional Catholic way is that he is the head of the family and therefore the decision maker BUT has he demonstrated this ability in the past with good decisions or does he normally fail and act on impulse? Is he a traditional Catholic or is he a modernist who likes to pull rank when it suits him?
Only the wife can answer these questions and as a husband and wife become ONE in marriage, where the husband fails the wife must pick up the slack.
We're not living in a Traditional Catholic world....yet.
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Even if you are objectively right and he is wrong, you're going about it the wrong way.
Butting heads like 2 rams, bulls or roosters (note: these are male animals) is not appropriate for a woman. Plus it is counter-productive. You will only force him to dig his heels in and stubbornly stick to his course of action, just to assert his authority and dominance (to show you who's boss) if nothing else.
On the other hand, why don't you bring out his compassion and love for you? They must be there, or you wouldn't have married him. You need to trust him that he won't make your life miserable. When he sees that you're miserable, he's bound to do something about it.
Making yourself miserable ahead of time, over nothing, doesn't count. That is just being willful, emotional, moody, etc.
How many times does a couple fight about something that hasn't even happened yet? I know couples that fight about income or money who haven't had to pay a single late fee, much less had to go without food, electricity, or water for even one day. And yet the husband in question still hasn't earned the unconditional trust of his wife to look out for the well being of his family!
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What about church? Is you faith center available in the new country?
WTF? "faith center"? You were saying about modernists...
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WTF?
When I see stuff like this I don't presume everyone here on Cathinfo is even Catholic much less traditional especially posting anonymously.
Edit: Didn't mean to post anonymously
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Out of curiosity, what country are you in now and to which country does he want to move?
I am sitting here thinking...is there any country that is morally better than an other country...now, in 2016? If you are native English speakers, I can think of no English-speaking country that is not driving full speed over the cliff of degeneracy. All are working hard to import Muslims, condemn Christians, and give ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ perversions legal and social preferences.
Non-English-speaking countries aren't any better and many are in worse shape.
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Is this just a knee jerk reaction of his?
Is he giving up a good job and does he have a comparable or better job waiting for him?
Does his new job offer benefits and security?
Do you have to sell a house and what are the prices in the new country?
What are the rules for non citizens buying a house?
How about schools? Are they as good as what you're leaving?
What are the rules for non citzens there? Do you have to pay?
What about church? Is you faith center available in the new country?
How will you live without medical coverage in a new country for maybe a year?
Can you afford the moving expenses?
How old are the children? Are they old enough to cause major resistance?
Are your parents going to need your help in the forseeable future?
Is the place you're considering accepting of newcomers?
Do you know ANYONE there?
Are you just jumping from the frying pan into the fire?
The traditional Catholic way is that he is the head of the family and therefore the decision maker BUT has he demonstrated this ability in the past with good decisions or does he normally fail and act on impulse? Is he a traditional Catholic or is he a modernist who likes to pull rank when it suits him?
Only the wife can answer these questions and as a husband and wife become ONE in marriage, where the husband fails the wife must pick up the slack.
We're not living in a Traditional Catholic world....yet.
Op here.
He is a trad but impulsive
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Op here
I'm seriously regretting my marriage to him.
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Are you military?
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Op here
I'm seriously regretting my marriage to him.
Well, it is too late now.
There is no other legitimate Catholic way but making it work!
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I wish my husband would like to move to another country!
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Are you going to lose your soul over moving to a different country?! People are dying of cancer, genocide, martyrdom, tsunamis, etc and you're complaining about a move that MIGHT take place? If your husband follows through with this, in spite of your prayers, then this is Gods will for you, since He allowed it to happen. But, you better accept your husbands decision or you're committing a big sin and jeopardizing your marriage.
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Op
Can he take say a months leave, go to the country he is thinking of. Let him look for a house while there, look for a job, see the cost of living first hand.
Don't fight him but ask him to have in place the basics
House, car plus insurances and taxes for these
Utilities in order
Short distances to mass
Mass must have a thriving parish with young families
Health insurance depending on country
Let him do the work involved in moving and maybe that might put him off the idea.
If he can put these in place for you as a good husband should then really you should give it a try. You never know you might like it.
Side note a..a.impulse decisions like this to escape a rotten world rarely work out.
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Let him do the work involved in moving and maybe that might put him off the idea.
Haha, this one is a good one. I'm sure this alone would work with my husband.
I'm in the opposite situation. Me wanting to move while husband refusing to do so!
Any ideas how to convince him to move?
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We knew a family who moved to Ecuador a few years ago. Sold everything they owned. Paid thousands. It was a "SHTF" escape to Quito. They were there 5 weeks and came back because there was no Mass down there and they couldn't adjust to the culture (they didn't really research it ahead of time). Now they live with extended family and are miserable. It's tragic.
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Is this just a knee jerk reaction of his?
Is he giving up a good job and does he have a comparable or better job waiting for him?
Does his new job offer benefits and security?
Do you have to sell a house and what are the prices in the new country?
What are the rules for non citizens buying a house?
How about schools? Are they as good as what you're leaving?
What are the rules for non citzens there? Do you have to pay?
What about church? Is you faith center available in the new country?
How will you live without medical coverage in a new country for maybe a year?
Can you afford the moving expenses?
How old are the children? Are they old enough to cause major resistance?
Are your parents going to need your help in the forseeable future?
Is the place you're considering accepting of newcomers?
Do you know ANYONE there?
Are you just jumping from the frying pan into the fire?
The traditional Catholic way is that he is the head of the family and therefore the decision maker BUT has he demonstrated this ability in the past with good decisions or does he normally fail and act on impulse? Is he a traditional Catholic or is he a modernist who likes to pull rank when it suits him?
Only the wife can answer these questions and as a husband and wife become ONE in marriage, where the husband fails the wife must pick up the slack.
We're not living in a Traditional Catholic world....yet.
Why did you get downvoted? It's a perfectly reasonable series of questions to ask. Is there a Plan B in case it doesn't work out?
Take this from someone whose own parents are immigrants - moving to another country is hard and requires planning. You have to know the language and the customs. It may, depending on the country, take 5+ years to become a citizen.
I worry about your husband, OP. If he can kneejerk think of something like this, then what will he do next? "Hey family, let's convert to Islam?"
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How a bout moving to another state ?
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What about church? Is you faith center available in the new country?
WTF? "faith center"? You were saying about modernists...
LOL :roll-laugh1:
I'm glad somebody else picked up on that. The first thing I thought of when I saw that was Joel Olsteen. LOL
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How a bout moving to another state ?
This is something to consider. What state is OP in now?
The idea of another country has crossed my mind. It's been awhile and I can't remember which one I thought would be the best option. As far as the states go, I'm positioned pretty good. A couple of the western states (big sky) or maybe TX would be better. TX is too much of a police-state (not in the sense that IL and northeast are--but in a different way) to perfectly suit me.
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Is this just a knee jerk reaction of his?
Is he giving up a good job and does he have a comparable or better job waiting for him?
Does his new job offer benefits and security?
Do you have to sell a house and what are the prices in the new country?
What are the rules for non citizens buying a house?
How about schools? Are they as good as what you're leaving?
What are the rules for non citzens there? Do you have to pay?
What about church? Is you faith center available in the new country?
How will you live without medical coverage in a new country for maybe a year?
Can you afford the moving expenses?
How old are the children? Are they old enough to cause major resistance?
Are your parents going to need your help in the forseeable future?
Is the place you're considering accepting of newcomers?
Do you know ANYONE there?
Are you just jumping from the frying pan into the fire?
The traditional Catholic way is that he is the head of the family and therefore the decision maker BUT has he demonstrated this ability in the past with good decisions or does he normally fail and act on impulse? Is he a traditional Catholic or is he a modernist who likes to pull rank when it suits him?
Only the wife can answer these questions and as a husband and wife become ONE in marriage, where the husband fails the wife must pick up the slack.
We're not living in a Traditional Catholic world....yet.
Why did you get downvoted? It's a perfectly reasonable series of questions to ask. Is there a Plan B in case it doesn't work out?
Take this from someone whose own parents are immigrants - moving to another country is hard and requires planning. You have to know the language and the customs. It may, depending on the country, take 5+ years to become a citizen.
I worry about your husband, OP. If he can kneejerk think of something like this, then what will he do next? "Hey family, let's convert to Islam?"
I did not downthumb and I agree that the series of questions is very reasonable. But there is a hint of modernism in the "yes--but" regarding the authority of the husband and the phrasing of "faith center."
Your point is well taken regarding his potential knee-jerkiness and his most likely lack of truly being prepared to make such a move.
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As a follow-up to the "faith center" question, one must realize this:
Outside of America and France, Latin Masses are super spotty. France just happens to be the birthplace of the SSPX and as such, has a massive Society and FSSP presence there.
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Op
Can he take say a months leave, go to the country he is thinking of. Let him look for a house while there, look for a job, see the cost of living first hand.
Don't fight him but ask him to have in place the basics
House, car plus insurances and taxes for these
Utilities in order
Short distances to mass
Mass must have a thriving parish with young families
Health insurance depending on country
Let him do the work involved in moving and maybe that might put him off the idea.
If he can put these in place for you as a good husband should then really you should give it a try. You never know you might like it.
Side note a..a.impulse decisions like this to escape a rotten world rarely work out.
HOLD THE BUS!
Some of your "requirements" are fine:
House and car (if necessary where you live -- usually yes) and insurance (at least the minimum liability insurance required by law like it is in the States)
But others are not:
Health insurance is not a necessity. It's prudent, but not enough so to "require" it. A man would be within his rights (not necessarily prudent or smart, but within his rights) to choose medical options for his family like: natural remedies, try to eat healthy and "trust in God" that nothing major will happen, plan on "indigent care" (free care from the hospital for poor people) if something happens, or take advantage of Medicaid if he qualifies.
These are all legitimate options for a father of a family to choose, despite the fact that many people would disagree with any or all of these. Let's stay objective here.
Short distance to Mass? How many of us that have been settled and established for years STILL DON'T HAVE that luxury?
And a thriving parish with young famlies? Don't make me laugh! Even many decades-old SSPX chapels with 200 parishioners, or independent chapels, BOTH OF WHICH HAVE WEEKLY or even FRIDAY/SATURDAY MASS, wouldn't qualify!
The SSPX chapel in San Antonio, TX certainly doesn't qualify. 200-250 parishioners, and very few young families. The young famlies that WERE there either went to A) St. Mary's, B) the Indult, or C) the Resistance (St. Dominic's chapel). There might be a few Hispanic young families, but it's hard to get to know people that don't hang around after Mass -- know what I mean?
Parish life there is virtually dead. For a 40 year old parish with 200+ parishioners, weekly Mass, Friday/Saturday Mass, etc. that sure doesn't sound good.
Anyhow, you can't place an undue burden on your husband to achieve what few husbands can ever achieve! In this crisis, you can forget about convenient Mass or a "thriving" parish "with lots of young families" unless you're pushing to join an Indult community, or 2-3 different SSPX locations (Post Falls, St. Mary's, and ????)
You might be giving away your current location more than you know. How is life there is St. Mary's, KS?
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Op
Can he take say a months leave, go to the country he is thinking of. Let him look for a house while there, look for a job, see the cost of living first hand.
Don't fight him but ask him to have in place the basics
House, car plus insurances and taxes for these
Utilities in order
Short distances to mass
Mass must have a thriving parish with young families
Health insurance depending on country
Let him do the work involved in moving and maybe that might put him off the idea.
If he can put these in place for you as a good husband should then really you should give it a try. You never know you might like it.
Side note a..a.impulse decisions like this to escape a rotten world rarely work out.
HOLD THE BUS!
Some of your "requirements" are fine:
House and car (if necessary where you live -- usually yes) and insurance (at least the minimum liability insurance required by law like it is in the States)
But others are not:
Health insurance is not a necessity. It's prudent, but not enough so to "require" it. A man would be within his rights (not necessarily prudent or smart, but within his rights) to choose medical options for his family like: natural remedies, try to eat healthy and "trust in God" that nothing major will happen, plan on "indigent care" (free care from the hospital for poor people) if something happens, or take advantage of Medicaid if he qualifies.
These are all legitimate options for a father of a family to choose, despite the fact that many people would disagree with any or all of these. Let's stay objective here.
Short distance to Mass? How many of us that have been settled and established for years STILL DON'T HAVE that luxury?
And a thriving parish with young famlies? Don't make me laugh! Even many decades-old SSPX chapels with 200 parishioners, or independent chapels, BOTH OF WHICH HAVE WEEKLY or even FRIDAY/SATURDAY MASS, wouldn't qualify!
The SSPX chapel in San Antonio, TX certainly doesn't qualify. 200-250 parishioners, and very few young families. The young famlies that WERE there either went to A) St. Mary's, B) the Indult, or C) the Resistance (St. Dominic's chapel). There might be a few Hispanic young families, but it's hard to get to know people that don't hang around after Mass -- know what I mean?
Parish life there is virtually dead. For a 40 year old parish with 200+ parishioners, weekly Mass, Friday/Saturday Mass, etc. that sure doesn't sound good.
Anyhow, you can't place an undue burden on your husband to achieve what few husbands can ever achieve! In this crisis, you can forget about convenient Mass or a "thriving" parish "with lots of young families" unless you're pushing to join an Indult community, or 2-3 different SSPX locations (Post Falls, St. Mary's, and ????)
You might be giving away your current location more than you know. How is life there is St. Mary's, KS?
Haha I am not even in the US. A parish of 200 would be a good parish where I am from. 5/6 families is a healthy number
Fine I take your point on health insurance but if a husband is going to pull this family from all they know at least pick a place that the burdens will be less for them. Say he picked where I am, 10 mins short car journey from mass and you could still be rural. That means that she could attend mass without too much trouble, mid week too if they are scheduled and also have access to supermarkets, doctor etc.
I am just saying when he does relocate it is possible to work these ease of burdens into the move.
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Moving may be for good reason. Things can be dramatically different from one area to another. We are all assuming the husband does not know what is best for his family.
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In other words, you can't escape it. And your husband is being very, very foolish if he actually thinks that you can.
Moving can be a good thing. Imagine a rural area with protestants who wear dresses and send their children to private schools, the women marry young, the men don't attend college with most having their own business vs living in a large urban city where most of the men are either in gangs or in prison and most of the young women dress like whores and have 3 children out of wedlock before 19 and drug use is rampant.
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In other words, you can't escape it. And your husband is being very, very foolish if he actually thinks that you can.
Moving can be a good thing. Imagine a rural area with protestants who wear dresses and send their children to private schools, the women marry young, the men don't attend college with most having their own business vs living in a large urban city where most of the men are either in gangs or in prison and most of the young women dress like whores and have 3 children out of wedlock before 19 and drug use is rampant.
I see and respect your point. But I think the Catholics set apart would tend to maintain the faith better. Mix them up and start socializing with a bunch of prots who "seem ok" and watch and see what happens...
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My husband has decided that he wants to move out of the country since he is fed up with how things are here. Thing is, I do not want to move, My kids have friends here, my family is here. I have had heated arguments with him but he is dead set on his ways. I am depressed.
Are you currently in the US? What country(ies) is he looking at?
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My husband has decided that he wants to move out of the country since he is fed up with how things are here. Thing is, I do not want to move, My kids have friends here, my family is here. I have had heated arguments with him but he is dead set on his ways. I am depressed.
Are you currently in the US? What country(ies) is he looking at?
I'm in USA. He is looking at Poland and or Eastern Europe Russia
Op
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I can understand his frustration. Often we feel lost and the world is against us. I just think that we are presented with opportunities to make change in our communities. We won't make this change by not interacting with people or thinking we're too good for them. We have to suffer some embarrassment and hatred toward us. Nothing worthwhile is easy but to change the opinion of one person can go a long way. If there are no Catholics to set a good example for the rest of the community, how will anyone be converted? what will change? I haven't read the entire thread so maybe you elaborated a little more on why he wants to leave. Most people I know move for economic reasons or because they got tired of the weather.
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My husband has decided that he wants to move out of the country since he is fed up with how things are here. Thing is, I do not want to move, My kids have friends here, my family is here. I have had heated arguments with him but he is dead set on his ways. I am depressed.
Are you currently in the US? What country(ies) is he looking at?
I'm in USA. He is looking at Poland and or Eastern Europe Russia
Op
Oh, I would love to move there!
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My husband has decided that he wants to move out of the country since he is fed up with how things are here. Thing is, I do not want to move, My kids have friends here, my family is here. I have had heated arguments with him but he is dead set on his ways. I am depressed.
Are you currently in the US? What country(ies) is he looking at?
I'm in USA. He is looking at Poland and or Eastern Europe Russia
Op
Oh, I would love to move there!
To "Oh, I would love to move there," and to OP:
Aren't those areas oppressive to Catholicism? Or at least have been within the past 25 years or so?
If they have been oppressive to Catholicism recently, but aren't now, how can you remotely trust that they won't flip a switch and be so again?
I just don't perceive those locations as bastions of freedom to which to flee.
I recognize the evils of American style "liberty and freedom." But true Catholics are a minority ripe to be oppressed these days. A little temporary "liberty and freedom" is what we can best spin survival out of these days. I see us traveling rapidly down the path to a for real h0Ɩ0h0αx. I think beating the drum of "liberty and freedom" is the best way to put together the numbers necessary to hold that off, or, if it comes to it, to do battle with a Chance of victory. I know there are some current favorable things about Russia. But I'm not sure that's where I would stake my claim and draw the line. I think some states in the US would be more advantageous.
What region (or state if you don't mind saying) are you in? Has he considered other states? What's the main clear/specific reasons that he wants to leave?
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Poland had a huge loss of young adults leaving for work when they were allowed to migrate to the EU countries.
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My husband has decided that he wants to move out of the country since he is fed up with how things are here. Thing is, I do not want to move, My kids have friends here, my family is here. I have had heated arguments with him but he is dead set on his ways. I am depressed.
Are you currently in the US? What country(ies) is he looking at?
I'm in USA. He is looking at Poland and or Eastern Europe Russia
Op
Oh, I would love to move there!
To "Oh, I would love to move there," and to OP:
Aren't those areas oppressive to Catholicism? Or at least have been within the past 25 years or so?
If they have been oppressive to Catholicism recently, but aren't now, how can you remotely trust that they won't flip a switch and be so again?
I just don't perceive those locations as bastions of freedom to which to flee.
I recognize the evils of American style "liberty and freedom." But true Catholics are a minority ripe to be oppressed these days. A little temporary "liberty and freedom" is what we can best spin survival out of these days. I see us traveling rapidly down the path to a for real h0Ɩ0h0αx. I think beating the drum of "liberty and freedom" is the best way to put together the numbers necessary to hold that off, or, if it comes to it, to do battle with a Chance of victory. I know there are some current favorable things about Russia. But I'm not sure that's where I would stake my claim and draw the line. I think some states in the US would be more advantageous.
What region (or state if you don't mind saying) are you in? Has he considered other states? What's the main clear/specific reasons that he wants to leave?
Poland & Ukraine were once true Catholic countries.
The United States has never been a Catholic country; but a freemasonic Jєωιѕн lodge, not to mention the obvious Protestant roots, which made this nation particularly anti-Catholic from the very beginning.
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Poland & Ukraine were once true Catholic countries.
The United States has never been a Catholic country; but a freemasonic Jєωιѕн lodge, not to mention the obvious Protestant roots, which made this nation particularly anti-Catholic from the very beginning.
Key words: "once...roots...made..." all past tense. Your historical facts have nothing to do with NOW. Fact is, there are no catholic countries, except for maybe Hungry, that exist today and/or operate like the Catholicism that you read about in history books. We live in a godless world, a freemasonic world, hell bent on introducing global government and the anti Christ, if God allows it. There is and will be no place to hide from the coming persecution, just as there is no place to currently hide from the filth and immorality that pervades everything.
Your best bet is to stay close to mass. Maybe you can find that outside the US but no place will be safe from the chastisement.
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My husband has decided that he wants to move out of the country since he is fed up with how things are here. Thing is, I do not want to move, My kids have friends here, my family is here. I have had heated arguments with him but he is dead set on his ways. I am depressed.
Are you currently in the US? What country(ies) is he looking at?
I'm in USA. He is looking at Poland and or Eastern Europe Russia
Op
Oh, I would love to move there!
To "Oh, I would love to move there," and to OP:
Aren't those areas oppressive to Catholicism? Or at least have been within the past 25 years or so?
If they have been oppressive to Catholicism recently, but aren't now, how can you remotely trust that they won't flip a switch and be so again?
I just don't perceive those locations as bastions of freedom to which to flee.
I recognize the evils of American style "liberty and freedom." But true Catholics are a minority ripe to be oppressed these days. A little temporary "liberty and freedom" is what we can best spin survival out of these days. I see us traveling rapidly down the path to a for real h0Ɩ0h0αx. I think beating the drum of "liberty and freedom" is the best way to put together the numbers necessary to hold that off, or, if it comes to it, to do battle with a Chance of victory. I know there are some current favorable things about Russia. But I'm not sure that's where I would stake my claim and draw the line. I think some states in the US would be more advantageous.
What region (or state if you don't mind saying) are you in? Has he considered other states? What's the main clear/specific reasons that he wants to leave?
he considered st marys ks but opted international
we are in NY.
OP
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he considered st marys ks but opted international
we are in NY.
OP
Frankly, I would recommend looking at western Montana, the Idaho panhandle, or even the Spokane area. You will definitely be able to regularly receive the sacraments in that area.
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One thing about the United States is that there are a lot of traditional Catholic chapels. I believe there is a larger SSPX presence than any country other than France and there are also a lot of CMRI chapels and SSPV chapels and also a good number of independent chapels some of which are sedevacantist and some are not. So even though the government is evil and society is Godless, in most of the country it isn't hard to find traditional sacraments.
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There is the devil you know and the devil waiting to get you.
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he considered st marys ks but opted international
we are in NY.
OP
Frankly, I would recommend looking at western Montana, the Idaho panhandle, or even the Spokane area. You will definitely be able to regularly receive the sacraments in that area.
:applause: :applause: :applause: These are the best places in the US! I guess Im partial. I live in the area!
I have lived in Calif and western NY also.