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Re: How to overcome being socially indifferent?
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2022, 10:49:07 AM »
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  • Matthew 22:
    Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind.  This is the greatest and the first commandment. And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.
    Good rebuttal but you can still love your neighbors while you avoid people. The very act of offering some of your prayers to God for people is an act of love. Not all of us can be Sunny Social with a grin ear to ear when dealing with people. We all have our crosses. Some people have the disposition as detailed by the OP. He can still love his neighbor and serve God by being a hermit / ascetic; or just be a lay hermit / ascetic as he consecrates himself to the Lord and Our Lady. 


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    Re: How to overcome being socially indifferent?
    « Reply #31 on: August 12, 2022, 10:54:28 AM »
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  • Good rebuttal but you can still love your neighbors while you avoid people. The very act of offering some of your prayers to God for people is an act of love. Not all of us can be Sunny Social with a grin ear to ear when dealing with people. We all have our crosses. Some people have the disposition as detailed by the OP. He can still love his neighbor and serve God by being a hermit / ascetic; or just be a lay hermit / ascetic as he consecrates himself to the Lord and Our Lady.
    I don't think avoiding unnecessary socialization means he has to become a hermit. He can still get married and care for his family. One may not love all the children he has encountered in his whole life but maybe he'll still love his own. 
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    Re: How to overcome being socially indifferent?
    « Reply #32 on: August 12, 2022, 12:20:04 PM »
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  • What’s wrong with being socially indifferent?  It’s better than social favoritism that results in cliques which inevitably exclude a small number of people.  The socially excluded are more likely to suffer from depression, anxiety, abuse drugs or alcohol, physical illness, to remain lifelong singles with no children, to make less money, to self-harm, commit ѕυιcιdє, and to die approximately 10-15 years earlier than the average.  

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    Re: How to overcome being socially indifferent?
    « Reply #33 on: August 12, 2022, 03:45:56 PM »
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  • And since we got this far, I'm curious, are all of you fond of babies? 
    Nope.

    I think interacting with children well is a learned behavior one gets when they have their own, or are raised with younger siblings. 
    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
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    Re: How to overcome being socially indifferent?
    « Reply #34 on: August 12, 2022, 03:59:48 PM »
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  • I think interacting with children well is a learned behavior one gets when they have their own, or are raised with younger siblings.
    I agree. I didn't care much for other people's kids or babies (that doesn't mean HATE) until I had my own. I grew up with a younger sister, but, that, I imagine, doesn't really foster a love for children in someone unless they're raised in a large family.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: How to overcome being socially indifferent?
    « Reply #35 on: August 12, 2022, 05:35:03 PM »
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  • Behold! I command you to like your neighbor!

    Thou shalt feel fondness for all others!

    Thou shalt obsess about your feelings, for they are a sure and holy guide!

    Things our Lord never said, but seem to be graven in our thinking.


    There's nothing wrong with not liking someone or not really enjoying the company of others, but we're called to operate on a higher level. And I think the only way we get there is to spend the time learning to love Him. When we're "there" it doesn't matter to us whether we are in a crowd of people or in solitude because we are doing what He calls us to do at that moment and are pleased to serve Him so.

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    Re: How to overcome being socially indifferent?
    « Reply #36 on: August 12, 2022, 09:03:16 PM »
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  • After reading some other people's comments above and especially the book chapter above I've decided there's a good reason for me to abandon my worries on this issue and actually not to actively befriend those Catholic that I've mentioned anymore, because they're either worldly or modernized, and there's nothing holy in forming friendship with them. I only worried about being socially indifferent because I thought it would be against charity, but looks like it's not.
    I am pleased to read that you have achieved some peace of mind.

    Also I don't know how some people on this forum would talk with people in your daily life, I appreciate all of you responding, but I think some were being quite rude in this post. Even though I think I usually am quite frank, I don't think I would say things the way like "I think you have disorder" or "I think you're a troubled person" 

    With due respect, I did not say anything out of unkindness, maybe out of poor expression and a lack of finesse. I only went by my perception of the actual words you wrote, which I carefully quoted. I don't claim to be right, only honest and frank (as you claim to be). You asked and I answered. Your responses show that you didn't like to hear what I had to say. Never mind.

    You really don't need to say those if all solution you offer is "go pray about it"

    I didn't offer any solution , only some suggestions. I did not say "go pray about it". What I said is that I will pray for you and I hope you will pray for me. I said "Such problems can be resolved with prayer, the sacraments, practicing the virtues,  possibly the help of a mature wise person and time. 

    And since we got this far, I'm curious, are all of you fond of babies? To me, a lot of time, they are just really irrational and unpredictable, that's why I'm afraid of them.
    My answers above in pink

    I have developed a fondness for babies through bearing my own, but I never disliked them. Before I gave birth to my first, I was never "clucky" like a lot of other women I knew, never desired my own children. What I desired was a lifelong partner in Marriage. Actually, I would still today prefer children to babies. I find them easier to relate to and have interesting conversations with. But that is just me.

    Anyway, I wish you well and am sorry if  I hurt 
    you with my poor expression. 
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    Re: How to overcome being socially indifferent?
    « Reply #37 on: August 13, 2022, 09:02:07 AM »
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  • I wonder what things would have been like if Adam and Eve had not sinned. Would their offspring be instantly adult, mature in every way? Would there be differences of opinion and preferences, and would those differences cause any sort of dislike between others or would they not be bothered by it?
    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
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    Re: How to overcome being socially indifferent?
    « Reply #38 on: August 13, 2022, 12:16:13 PM »
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  • I wonder what things would have been like if Adam and Eve had not sinned. Would their offspring be instantly adult, mature in every way? Would there be differences of opinion and preferences, and would those differences cause any sort of dislike between others or would they not be bothered by it?
    Hmm good question, I wonder what people are like now in the Heaven? Are they the way the look when they die or all back to young adult's appearance? 

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    Re: How to overcome being socially indifferent?
    « Reply #39 on: August 13, 2022, 08:11:10 PM »
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  • Hmm good question, I wonder what people are like now in the Heaven? Are they the way the look when they die or all back to young adult's appearance?
    Philippians 3
    But our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, our Lord Jesus Christ, 
    [21] Who will reform the body of our lowness, made like to the body of his glory, according to the operation whereby also he is able to subdue all things unto himself.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: How to overcome being socially indifferent?
    « Reply #40 on: August 13, 2022, 08:20:40 PM »
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  • Philippians 3
    But our conversation is in heaven; 

    Just to focus on this part, is there anything anybody would want to say about that? or "Deus to conversus vivificabis nos"?


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    Re: How to overcome being socially indifferent?
    « Reply #41 on: August 13, 2022, 11:23:52 PM »
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  • Just to focus on this part, is there anything anybody would want to say about that? or "Deus to conversus vivificabis nos"?
     "God, turn to us and give us life." 

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    Re: How to overcome being socially indifferent?
    « Reply #42 on: August 14, 2022, 01:20:23 AM »
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  • "God, turn to us and give us life."
    Deus tu conversus vivificabis nos. It seems the conversation is circular, like this or that, as this or that, and it goes around. 

    There was a Portuguese philosopher who had studied his Aristotle and then after all that came to the conclusion that nothing is known. He would ask "quid"? then answer, "quod nihil scitur". It was a type of dark humor he had or social indifference. But he was always left with the circle of it.

    The circular argument is not really a fallacy, although sometimes people think or say that it is. They dismiss the circular argument as not sufficient, but it can be sufficient, and it's the first argument of a great order, since it's also the first argument of the first definition. Without the first definition, there wouldn't be the first premise, since the premise involved the definition and so forth.

    Like you know, an early definition for a circle is altitude. The cave men recognized this, that altitude can be a homonym for circle, and some could complain that when they want to know what altitude is, if the only answer was another circle, that that's not enough, that's not an answer, because a circle could be low, even as low as the bottom, and low is not high.

    Well, rather not, I would say, and Heaven also fits the definition of supernal. The direction up above to such a circle that would be like that. There's a lot of horizontal interference down here on Earth in the sublunar realm, that's lower, for sure, so don't forget the vertical or at least that there is the vertical connection, even from the highest to the lowest, because high and low always have an "atomic" connection, right on the other side of each other all the time and so forth.

    So the way I see it there's no good excuse for social indifference. This I believe.

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    Re: How to overcome being socially indifferent?
    « Reply #43 on: August 14, 2022, 01:29:36 AM »
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  • What on earth did it start?

    I haven't a clue as to what you are saying except that it leads to the final paragraph with which I can agree heartily.


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    Re: How to overcome being socially indifferent?
    « Reply #44 on: August 14, 2022, 01:36:14 AM »
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  • What on earth did it start?

    I haven't a clue as to what you are saying except that it leads to the final paragraph with which I can agree heartily.
    There you go. The conclusion can be everything. Henry Ford said, "history is bunk", for example, and that really set him in an awkward position, almost one of social indifference.