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Re: How to avoid lying?
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2025, 08:50:17 AM »
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  • ...Because the OP was busy and told the customer the eggs would be available later, then the OP I think was not lying.

    If it is still weighing on his conscience, then he should bring it up in confession.

    And he needs to educate himself on the issues mentioned above, such as Ladislaus' long post, so that he starts to understand what is & is not a lie, & thus not suffer unnecessary scruples in the future.  

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    Re: How to avoid lying?
    « Reply #16 on: March 14, 2025, 08:52:00 AM »
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  • And he needs to educate himself on the issues mentioned above, such as Ladislaus' long post, so that he starts to understand what is & is not a lie, & thus not suffer unnecessary scruples in the future. 
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    « Reply #17 on: March 14, 2025, 09:17:22 AM »
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  • So at work today I had a customer asking about eggs (shelf was empty), now that's not my department and I was very busy and my co worker said that the eggs were underneath a pallet of chocolate. So I told the guy we had none until the afternoon. I believe this was a deliberate venial sin, how can I avoid this? I wasn't sure what to say, was busy with my own work and am very tired due to lack of sleep. I do not like that I lied/sinned.

    Read the post again. The OP clearly lied. It was not true that the store "had none until the afternoon." The customer, believing the OP, might tell all his/her friends something like, "Hey, I went to the grocery store today and they said they will not have eggs until afternoon. There must be a real egg shortage."

    Then someone gets on Fakebook and tells the whole world that Grocery store X in town X has no eggs. All the Fakebook lemmings run out to buy up all the eggs before they are all gone. Over what? Because the OP couldn't just say "Sorry, eggs are in not my department, but I will get someone else to help you."

    Besides the social media contagion issue, consider the owner/manager of the grocery store. This person may have spent a lot of time making sure that the store, in fact, had eggs. Now, one of his employees tells a customer there are no eggs. The customer goes to another store to buy eggs. The customer permanently switches stores because of the undependability of the egg department at store number 1. Put yourself in the shoes of the manager/owner of the store. Would you want an employee doing this kind of thing?

    Now, the OP probably just had a moment of weakness, and it is probably nothing more than a venial sin. But venial sin is still bad. Don't make excuses for them. Do you realize that if you excuse your own venial sins without trying to correct those known sins then you are not a candidate for a plenary indulgence?

    For, a plenary indulgence one must have "the interior disposition of complete detachment from sin, even venial sin." So, by minimizing a lie and telling the OP that they are "scrupulous" and, worse yet, telling them to use "mental reservation" in a non-grave situation like this, you are giving the OP tools to keep himself attached to the venial sin of lying.

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    Re: How to avoid lying?
    « Reply #18 on: March 14, 2025, 10:07:18 AM »
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  • Read the post again. The OP clearly lied. It was not true that the store "had none until the afternoon." The customer, believing the OP, might tell all his/her friends something like, "Hey, I went to the grocery store today and they said they will not have eggs until afternoon. There must be a real egg shortage."

    Then someone gets on Fakebook and tells the whole world that Grocery store X in town X has no eggs. All the Fakebook lemmings run out to buy up all the eggs before they are all gone. Over what? Because the OP couldn't just say "Sorry, eggs are in not my department, but I will get someone else to help you."

    Besides the social media contagion issue, consider the owner/manager of the grocery store. This person may have spent a lot of time making sure that the store, in fact, had eggs. Now, one of his employees tells a customer there are no eggs. The customer goes to another store to buy eggs. The customer permanently switches stores because of the undependability of the egg department at store number 1. Put yourself in the shoes of the manager/owner of the store. Would you want an employee doing this kind of thing?

    Now, the OP probably just had a moment of weakness, and it is probably nothing more than a venial sin. But venial sin is still bad. Don't make excuses for them. Do you realize that if you excuse your own venial sins without trying to correct those known sins then you are not a candidate for a plenary indulgence?

    For, a plenary indulgence one must have "the interior disposition of complete detachment from sin, even venial sin." So, by minimizing a lie and telling the OP that they are "scrupulous" and, worse yet, telling them to use "mental reservation" in a non-grave situation like this, you are giving the OP tools to keep himself attached to the venial sin of lying.
    This would have held more weight if you were not Anonymous.

    Each person is very different.

    It is best to take these moral concerns to a priest, instead of hashing them out on the internet.

    That being said.  I get where you are coming from and am sorry for my part in the confusion.
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    Re: How to avoid lying?
    « Reply #19 on: March 14, 2025, 11:02:45 AM »
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  • Since the OP entitled the thread, "How to avoid lying?", I suggest he could simply have said,  "Sorry, eggs are in not my department, but I will get someone else to help you" as a previous poster said, or else something like, "we have some, but they're not on the shelf yet.  Check back later, or get someone from the egg department to help you."  Or some combo of both.  




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    Re: How to avoid lying?
    « Reply #20 on: March 14, 2025, 12:29:39 PM »
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  • Developing the art of making mental reservations, to deflect awkward or inappropriate questions, should be part of the skill set of any faithful Catholic.  You have to develop a certain shrewdness of mind to be able to do it without committing the sin of lying.

    I have found that Protestants just cut to the chase, and tell an outright lie in such situations.  This would be consonant with their notion that "sin is not really mine anymore" once they "accept Jesus as their Lord and personal Saviour", and in the more extreme incarnations of "once saved, always saved", they can do anything they want to, and imagine that nothing they do could ever rupture that relationship.  Pretty convenient.  Among Protestants, the concept of social respectability is huge, and they tend to avoid outwardly sinful behavior to keep up their reputation as being upright, righteous people.  Things done in secret, however, that's another story.  A boyhood friend of mine, in those days before I was baptized and became a Catholic, had me over at his house one time (he had a truly awesome model train set), and took me to his parents' bedroom where they had a stash of porn (better not describe it here) that they read on the sly.  They were well-known gospel singers, and he asked me not to tell anyone about it, as it would jeopardize their reputation as being solid evangelical Christians.  Yet one more case in point.



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    Re: How to avoid lying?
    « Reply #21 on: March 14, 2025, 04:16:34 PM »
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  • Not really.  Mental reservation, as traditionally understood, is making a statement that is not false in and of itself, but requires interpretation to be understood in the sense that the speaker intends it. 

    You were clearly not in a position to honor the customer's request, so the mental reservation of "we have no eggs" could be understood as "I am not capable of getting eggs for you right now".  I found as well in retail that shoppers have the execrable habit of seeing someone who is clearly busy with other things, and pulling the person away from their task, as I always told my workers, "people like what busy looks like".  If it is a worker who is just standing around idly (and in my store, there was always enough to keep everybody busy, if nothing else you can clean, bring merchandise to the front of the shelf so as not to have gaps in the display, and so on), people are actually less inclined to approach them --- it is as though they like the idea of interrupting someone who is up to their ears in work.  Maybe the slackers on my payroll figured this out and thought that they could get out of even more work by goofing off.  I don't know.

    You learn a lot about people by working retail.

    Your understanding of the use of "mental reservation" seems flawed. Please read the following and tell us which category of "mental reservation" you are recommending to the OP in the matter of "we don't have any eggs" in the grocery store:


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    2399. Mental Reservation.—Mental reservation is an act of the mind by which a speaker restricts or limits his words to a meaning which they do not naturally or clearly convey; or it is an internal modification of an external speech delivered without any or without clear external modification. There are two kinds of mental reservation.

    (a) Strict mental reservation is that in which the internal modification is manifested by nothing external, neither by the natural sense of the words (i.e., the meaning that ordinarily attaches to them) nor by their accidental sense (i.e., the meaning they receive from their context, such as the circuмstances of time, place, usage, person who questions, person who is questioned, etc.). Example: Titus, who struck Balbus with a club, denies that he hit him, meaning that it was the club which hit Balbus directly.


    (b) Broad mental reservation is that in which the internal modification can be perceived, at least by a prudent person, either from the natural sense of the words (because they are known to be capable of different meanings), or from the context (because circuмstances indicate that the words are not to be taken in their obvious sense). Example: Claudius accidentally ran against and wounded Sempronius and the latter thinks that someone struck him a blow. Claudius denies that he struck Sempronius, or declares to those who have no right to ask that he knows nothing about the matter.


    2400. Lawfulness of Mental Reservation.—(a) Strict mental reservation is unlawful and has been condemned by the Church (see Denzinger, nn. 1174-1178). The reasons are, first, that it is a lie, since it employs words that do not at all express what the speaker has in mind, and his mental reservation cannot give them a significance they do not possess; secondly, that, if it were lawful, every dishonest person could easily escape the guilt of lying and yet deceive at will. According to Scripture the sophistical speaker is hateful (Ecclus., xxxvii. 23), but the just man speaks and swears without guile (Ps. xxxiii. 14, xxiii. 4).


    (b) Broad mental reservation is unlawful when there is a reason that forbids its use, or when there is no sufficient reason to justify its use. Reservation is forbidden when a questioner has the right to an answer free from all ambiguity, for example, when a pastor questions parties preparing for marriage, when a person who is about to be inducted into office is asked about his freedom from disqualifications, when a witness in court is interrogated about matters on which he can testify, when one party to a contract seeks from the other necessary knowledge about the contract; for in all these cases injury is done by concealment of the truth. Reservation is not justified, unless it is necessary in order to secure some good or avoid some evil, whether spiritual or temporal, whether for self or for another, and the end compensates by its importance for the deception that may be caused. Apart from such necessity mental reservation is, to say the least, a departure from the virtue of Christian sincerity or simplicity, which pertains to truthfulness and which forbids one to conceal the truth from others when there is no good reason for concealment (Matt, v. 37). Moreover, the friendly relations of mankind would be impaired if it were lawful to speak equivocally even when trifling things are discussed or when there is no reason to be secretive.


    (c) Broad mental reservation is lawful when there is a sufficient reason for it, such as the public welfare (e. g., the preservation of state secrets or of military plans), spiritual welfare (e.g., the prevention of blasphemy or intoxication), bodily welfare (e.g., the prevention of death or murder), or financial welfare (e.g., the prevention of robbery). But the reservation must be necessary, as being the only lawful means that will secure the end (e.g., one should not use reservation when evasion or silence will suffice); and it should not be injurious to the rights of another (e.g., it should not be employed against the common good, in favor of a private good). The reason for the present conclusion is found in the principle of double result (see 103 sqq.) and in the fact that a broad mental reservation is not intrinsically evil, since it contains no lie or insincerity and causes no injury to individuals or society. There is no lie, because the words correspond with the thought, either from their natural signification (in case of double-meaning words), or from their accidental signification (in case of words whose meaning is varied by the context); there is no insincerity, for the aim is only to conceal a truth that should not be made known; there is no injury to the listener or questioner, since, if he is deceived, this is due to his own heedlessness or dullness or unjustified curiosity; there is no injury to society, since the general welfare demands that there be some honest means of eluding unjust inquiries and of protecting important secrets. Our Lord Himself, who is infinitely above all suspicion of duplicity or insincerity, may have used broad mental reservations when He declared (John, vii. 8-10) that He would not go up to Jerusalem, that the daughter of Jairus was not dead but sleeping (Matt., ix. 24). Other cases of mental reservation in Scripture are found in Eliseus (IV Kings, vi. 19).


    2401. When Is Broad Mental Reservation Lawful?—There is general agreement that broad mental reservation is lawful in the following cases:


    (a) it is lawful and obligatory when one is bound to keep the truth from the person who asks it. Hence, those who are questioned about secrets which sacramental or professional confidence forbids them to disclose (e.g., confessors, doctors, lawyers, statesmen, and secretaries) should deny knowledge, or, if hard-pressed, even the facts. The answer, “I do not know” or “No,” in these cases simply means: “I have no personal or communicable knowledge.” In war time a government has the right to censor the news in order to keep information from the enemy. A reason of charity might also make it obligatory to disguise the truth by mental reservation (e.g., when a clear reply given to the question of a sick person would only weaken a slender hope of saving his life, or when exact information given to a gunman would enable him to overtake an intended victim);


    (b) it is lawful when a reasonable local custom permits one to withhold the truth. Thus, an accused person, even though guilty, has the right to plead not guilty, which means that he does not confess guilt; a person who has a visitor at an unseasonable hour may send word that he is not at home, which means that she is not at home to visitors, a person who is asked for an alms or a loan which he cannot conveniently grant may answer, according to many, that he has not the money, which means that he has no money to spare for those purposes (see 2251).


    2402. Ambiguous Answers.—Are ambiguous answers which are not given according to the questioner’s mind, and for which there are no reasonable justifications, to be classed as lies?


    (a) If the answer, even in the setting of its context, retains its ambiguity or can be interpreted in two ways, there is not strictly speaking a lie, for the words signify, though obscurely, what is in the speaker’s mind. But this is a form of insincerity known as equivocation or quibbling, which many regard almost as disreputable as plain lying. The pagan oracles that made predictions that would suit any turn of events and politicians who so word themselves as to be on opposite sides at the same time are examples of equivocation.


    (b) If the answer, though verbally susceptible of two senses, is contextually limited to one sense, it is a lie; for it does not express the speaker’s mind. Thus, if Titus knows that Balbus is good physically or mentally but not morally, he equivocates by answering that Balbus is good, if from the circuмstances this indicates only that in some way or other Balbus is good; but Titus lies by answering that Balbus is good and restricting his meaning to physical goodness or industry, if the question propounded referred to moral goodness.




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    Re: How to avoid lying?
    « Reply #22 on: March 14, 2025, 07:32:58 PM »
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  • Your understanding of the use of "mental reservation" seems flawed. Please read the following and tell us which category of "mental reservation" you are recommending to the OP in the matter of "we don't have any eggs" in the grocery store:

    Broad mental reservation, in the sense of "we don't have any eggs" can reasonably be understood as "we don't have any eggs reasonably available for sale, such as would be the case if they were on the shelf, which they're not".  I am not clear whether the eggs being under a pallet of chocolates would prevent them from being "reasonably available for sale" --- how heavy is the pallet, does the store have a policy about clerks moving pallets to get goods not yet shelved, and so on --- but assuming it did, no, as a practical matter, the store doesn't have any eggs.  See also my examples of the eggs just now being unloaded from the delivery truck, or having been unloaded but not having yet been inventoried.

    I'm not saying you, but I think some of this stems from the American expectation that shopkeepers will move mountains, inconvenience themselves, interrupt their workflow, and so on, to cater to the customer who must be deferred to at all times "because the customer is king".  If you've never worked in retail, you have no idea how outrageous some customers' demands can be.  And then there is the "Karen" phenomenon which, indeed, is a thing.

    I like the French way of keeping shop better, where mutual respect is established between the customer and the sales agent, and where customers know better than to make unreasonable requests of the staff.  (And, yes, I have been to France, and I know how it works there.  The "ugly American" is disliked for a reason.  I behaved there just as I described above, and far from having issues, my patronage and my respect were appreciated.)



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    Re: How to avoid lying?
    « Reply #23 on: March 14, 2025, 08:37:58 PM »
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  • Broad mental reservation, in the sense of "we don't have any eggs" can reasonably be understood as "we don't have any eggs reasonably available for sale, such as would be the case if they were on the shelf, which they're not".  I am not clear whether the eggs being under a pallet of chocolates would prevent them from being "reasonably available for sale" --- how heavy is the pallet, does the store have a policy about clerks moving pallets to get goods not yet shelved, and so on --- but assuming it did, no, as a practical matter, the store doesn't have any eggs.  See also my examples of the eggs just now being unloaded from the delivery truck, or having been unloaded but not having yet been inventoried.

    I'm not saying you, but I think some of this stems from the American expectation that shopkeepers will move mountains, inconvenience themselves, interrupt their workflow, and so on, to cater to the customer who must be deferred to at all times "because the customer is king".  If you've never worked in retail, you have no idea how outrageous some customers' demands can be.  And then there is the "Karen" phenomenon which, indeed, is a thing.

    I like the French way of keeping shop better, where mutual respect is established between the customer and the sales agent, and where customers know better than to make unreasonable requests of the staff.  (And, yes, I have been to France, and I know how it works there.  The "ugly American" is disliked for a reason.  I behaved there just as I described above, and far from having issues, my patronage and my respect were appreciated.)

    But, in the section 2400 of the Moral Theology, "broad mental reservation" is not justified unless there are serious reasons for it. Here again is the key quote:


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    [Broad Mental] Reservation is not justified, unless it is necessary in order to secure some good or avoid some evil, whether spiritual or temporal, whether for self or for another, and the end compensates by its importance for the deception that may be caused. Apart from such necessity mental reservation is, to say the least, a departure from the virtue of Christian sincerity or simplicity, which pertains to truthfulness and which forbids one to conceal the truth from others when there is no good reason for concealment (Matt, v. 37). Moreover, the friendly relations of mankind would be impaired if it were lawful to speak equivocally even when trifling things are discussed or when there is no reason to be secretive.

    In the OP scenario, he did not need to lie. He should not, therefore, use mental reservation in cases like that. He should have just told the customer something truthful, even if the customer would not have been happy with the answer.

    The issue here has nothing to do with "eggs" or "grocery stores" or demanding "customers." It has to do with always telling the truth, except in the very rare cases outlined in the Moral Theology. Please, if you do not believe me, talk to a good priest. Hopefully he will tell you what the Catholic Church teaches.

    The OP was experiencing pangs of conscience about what he did, and rightly so. This indicates that his conscience is well-formed and that he is docile to the movements of his conscience. Please don't give him reasons to doubt what his conscience was telling him.

    And the use of "mental reservation" is a very complex topic. It is more likely to be misused than used correctly by your average Catholic. It is best to just commit to always tell the truth, especially if it hurts you a little.



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    Re: How to avoid lying?
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  • But, in the section 2400 of the Moral Theology, "broad mental reservation" is not justified unless there are serious reasons for it. Here again is the key quote:


    In the OP scenario, he did not need to lie. He should not, therefore, use mental reservation in cases like that. He should have just told the customer something truthful, even if the customer would not have been happy with the answer.

    The issue here has nothing to do with "eggs" or "grocery stores" or demanding "customers." It has to do with always telling the truth, except in the very rare cases outlined in the Moral Theology. Please, if you do not believe me, talk to a good priest. Hopefully he will tell you what the Catholic Church teaches.

    The OP was experiencing pangs of conscience about what he did, and rightly so. This indicates that his conscience is well-formed and that he is docile to the movements of his conscience. Please don't give him reasons to doubt what his conscience was telling him.

    And the use of "mental reservation" is a very complex topic. It is more likely to be misused than used correctly by your average Catholic. It is best to just commit to always tell the truth, especially if it hurts you a little.
    What was the lie exactly that OP said? What could the OP have said?

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    Re: How to avoid lying?
    « Reply #25 on: March 14, 2025, 09:48:02 PM »
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  • What was the lie exactly that OP said? What could the OP have said?

    Here is what the OP said:

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    "So at work today I had a customer asking about eggs (shelf was empty), now that's not my department and I was very busy and my co worker said that the eggs were underneath a pallet of chocolate. So I told the guy we had none until the afternoon. I believe this was a deliberate venial sin, how can I avoid this? I wasn't sure what to say, was busy with my own work and am very tired due to lack of sleep. I do not like that I lied/sinned."

    1. Customer, seeing that the shelf was empty, asked if the store had any eggs.
    2. OP told the customer "we had none until the afternoon."
    3. But OP knew that his statement was untrue because his "co-worker said that the eggs were underneath a pallet of chocolate." In a later post, he said, "I couldn't get the eggs as it's not my department."

    OP told a direct lie to the customer. It was simply not true to say that they had no eggs "until the afternoon." They did have eggs and the OP knew they had them. That is not "broad mental reservation." It doesn't matter that the eggs were "underneath a pallet" or that "it's not [his] department." He told a lie. He invented a counter-factual statement and knowingly presented the lie to the customer as the truth. And he admitted as much. He admitted that he had sinned.

    Now, what could he have said instead? Another poster above gave some good examples:

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    Since the OP entitled the thread, "How to avoid lying?", I suggest he could simply have said,  "Sorry, eggs are in not my department, but I will get someone else to help you" as a previous poster said, or else something like, "we have some, but they're not on the shelf yet.  Check back later, or get someone from the egg department to help you."  Or some combo of both.


     


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    Re: How to avoid lying?
    « Reply #26 on: March 14, 2025, 10:20:31 PM »
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  • I think the OP needs step in and clarify some things.  Like did he purposely lie at first or did he realize he might of lied after the fact? Isn't this an important aspect of understanding the full scenario?
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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  • I think the OP needs step in and clarify some things.  Like did he purposely lie at first or did he realize he might of lied after the fact? Isn't this an important aspect of understanding the full scenario?
    He could have said it without thinking or flustered. Working at a supermarket can be stressful. Or he could said it because he thought the eggs will be restocked in the afternoon which is likely. Eggs are a high demand item. I really doubt the OB just invented a lie to say. 

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    Re: How to avoid lying?
    « Reply #28 on: March 14, 2025, 10:35:56 PM »
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  • He could have said it without thinking or flustered. Working at a supermarket can be stressful. Or he could said it because he thought the eggs will be restocked in the afternoon which is likely. Eggs are a high demand item. I really doubt the OB just invented a lie to say.
    I agree with you, but others keep trying to say he willfully lied, and I don't think it is fair for people to make such harsh and rash judgments on other people's internals.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: How to avoid lying?
    « Reply #29 on: March 14, 2025, 10:38:28 PM »
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  • Here is what the OP said:

    1. Customer, seeing that the shelf was empty, asked if the store had any eggs.
    2. OP told the customer "we had none until the afternoon."
    3. But OP knew that his statement was untrue because his "co-worker said that the eggs were underneath a pallet of chocolate." In a later post, he said, "I couldn't get the eggs as it's not my department."

    OP told a direct lie to the customer. It was simply not true to say that they had no eggs "until the afternoon." They did have eggs and the OP knew they had them. That is not "broad mental reservation." It doesn't matter that the eggs were "underneath a pallet" or that "it's not [his] department." He told a lie. He invented a counter-factual statement and knowingly presented the lie to the customer as the truth. And he admitted as much. He admitted that he had sinned.

    Now, what could he have said instead? Another poster above gave some good examples:


     
    That’s still not a lie unless OP knew that the eggs were going to be restocked at night or the next day. Under a pallet means a forklift would need to be used. You can’t just get eggs from a pallet and hand it to the customer. It probably needs to be counted into an inventory, etc. 

    Grocery items are stocked 24/7 so it’s possible that the eggs could have been restocked by the afternoon.