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Re: Interesting video from 1996
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2023, 11:35:51 AM »
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  • By "touched lightly in a video" you meant it was the topic of the video?

    https://youtu.be/pMN0N84Ajzg?feature=shared

    The video also calls out people like you who can't refute the Brothers so you try to somehow smear them and calls this statement a lie:
    If you trust a disgusting liar like R. I. who said he'd torture St. Thomas Aquinas and calls himself a prophet you're clearly insane. https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/mp3/4_RI_demonic_source_of_schismatic_views.mp3

    This type of "argument" only works on people who are infested with human respect, as Bro. Peter says: "We don't like to talk about ourselves much, because, frankly, we're not relevant. What's relevant is what we put out, what we produce, the teaching of the Church."
    What this ^^ post and the OP together should demonstrate, is how effectively meddling into sedeism can deceive even those who are sincere in the faith into forsaking certain (not all) Catholic beliefs for belief in sedeism.



     
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    Re: Interesting video from 1996
    « Reply #16 on: September 17, 2023, 11:43:44 AM »
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  • Stubborn was right  :laugh1:
    This is the first time I ever saw the OP video, there are others tho. In one recording of a video I have he goes on and on quoting popes who taught against the whole idea. But those are hard to find online because when the bruthas find out about it, they make the host take them down or threaten to sue them.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: Interesting video from 1996
    « Reply #17 on: September 17, 2023, 12:02:02 PM »
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  • OK, so what?  That was nearly 30 years ago now.  Several of "The Nine" were also not sedevacantist when they first broke from SSPX.  Many priests start R&R and then become SV.  Archbishop Lefebvre started nearly SV, then became accordist in the 1980-1984 time period, asking Rome to let him make the "experiment of Tradition" within the Conciliar Church, and then went back to being nearly SV again after Assisi.  This is a confusing crisis, and people change their minds.

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    Re: Interesting video from 1996
    « Reply #18 on: September 17, 2023, 12:12:31 PM »
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  • He actually sounds like he's a step away from Sedeprivationism in terms of how he articulates it.  Interestingly, at one point he quotes directly from a paper I wrote in 1995 that was printed in The Angelus, a paper that I wrote for a friend and that I never intended for publication, nor did they ask my permission before publishing it and making edits to it.  They even spelled my name wrong, since I hadn't written my name on it as it was just sent to a friend as if it were a long e-mail or what would today be like a post on CI.  In any case, the paper wasn't anti-SV as much as it was pointing out some problems with SVism, that eventually led to my taking a more Sedeprivationist view.  They kept my original title, "Pope-Sifting:  Difficulties with Sedevacantism".  It was not meant as an endorsement of R&R.  Basically, the bottom line is what principle there is to prevent someone like Father Cekada's famous "Aunt Helen" from waking up one morning and deciding that the Pope is a heretic an therefore a non-pope.  There's nothing in the straight SV position to preclude that.  At some point the authority of the Church does have to figure in, I just couldn't put my finger on exactly how, until I became acquainted with the material-formal distinction, and SPism.

    Father Cekada, in his response to it, said that my "article" was written in response to his pamphlet.  Only indirectly.  I had not so much as read his pamphlet and it wasn't addressing anything in its contents.

    Here's how it went.  I had just left then-Father Sanborn's seminary and started attending Fr. Ringrose's chapel in Washington, DC (Fr. Ringrose now also more SV/SP).

    Friend:  "I read this pamphlet by Father Cekada.  Since you used to be a sedevacantist, can you give me your reasons for why you backed away from it?"

    I:  "Sure.  When I have a minute, I'll write it up for you."

    I:  Spent a couple hours writing this out and send a copy to my friend.

    TWO MONTHS LATER.

    Friend #2:  "Congratulations on your article."

    I:  "What article?"

    Friend #2:  "The one in the current issue of The Angelus."

    I:  "What?"

    Then I go to pick up a copy and read it, seeing my name mis-spelled, numerous edits made without my approval, some English translations inserted (some of which were wrong and for which Fr. Cekada attacked me), etc.

    Father Cekada issued a rebuttal since this article was said to have been written in response to his pamphlet.  It wasn't, except indirectly since my friend's reading of it is what prompted him to ask me to write my own perspective.  I didn't every bother with any kind of refutation, since I wasn't interested in getting into that arena.  Never was.

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    Re: Interesting video from 1996
    « Reply #19 on: September 17, 2023, 01:04:30 PM »
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  • By "touched lightly in a video" you meant it was the topic of the video?

    https://youtu.be/pMN0N84Ajzg?feature=shared

    The video also calls out people like you who can't refute the Brothers so you try to somehow smear them and calls this statement a lie:
    If you trust a disgusting liar like R. I. who said he'd torture St. Thomas Aquinas and calls himself a prophet you're clearly insane. https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/mp3/4_RI_demonic_source_of_schismatic_views.mp3

    This type of "argument" only works on people who are infested with human respect, as Bro. Peter says: "We don't like to talk about ourselves much, because, frankly, we're not relevant. What's relevant is what we put out, what we produce, the teaching of the Church."

    Yes.  That's the one.  It had been a while since I've seen it.  I almost thought it was in another larger video.  Thanks for sharing.

    No.  You're way off base here and likely jumping to emotional conclusions.  I actually agree with 90% of what Dimonds produce, but I also call them out when they're off about something.  They're not infallible and neither am I or you.  I even used to be a Dimondite.  

    I don't trust R.I. (which is why I don't even use his full name and don't want to give that imbalanced maniac any exposure or traffic) but from what I can tell is that he's correct about this (being kicked out for the Sede position.)  Just because someone is wrong some or most of the time doesn't mean they're wrong all of the time.  You might as well use that same criteria for Dimonds as well when they're wrong about something.    

    Yes.  I still have some human respect I need to be rid of but I can assure you this is not one of those times and you don't even know my positions to make a claim like this.     


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    Re: Interesting video from 1996
    « Reply #20 on: September 17, 2023, 01:24:37 PM »
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  • Yes.  That's the one.  It had been a while since I've seen it.  I almost thought it was in another larger video.  Thanks for sharing.

    No.  You're way off base here and likely jumping to emotional conclusions.  I actually agree with 90% of what Dimonds produce, but I also call them out when they're off about something.  They're not infallible and neither am I or you.  I even used to be a Dimondite. 

    I don't trust R.I. (which is why I don't even use his full name and don't want to give that imbalanced maniac any exposure or traffic) but from what I can tell is that he's correct about this (being kicked out for the Sede position.)  Just because someone is wrong some or most of the time doesn't mean they're wrong all of the time.  You might as well use that same criteria for Dimonds as well when they're wrong about something.   

    Yes.  I still have some human respect I need to be rid of but I can assure you this is not one of those times and you don't even know my positions to make a claim like this.   
    Repeating a claim made by a confirmed liar and self-styled prophet is nothing short of calumny.

    I made my accusation about you because I have an idea about who you are, there aren't that many people who have nothing better to do than to dig up things on MHFM to start threads about.

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    Re: Interesting video from 1996
    « Reply #21 on: September 17, 2023, 08:10:41 PM »
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  • Repeating a claim made by a confirmed liar and self-styled prophet is nothing short of calumny.

    I made my accusation about you because I have an idea about who you are, there aren't that many people who have nothing better to do than to dig up things on MHFM to start threads about.

    I'm not Jorge if that's what you're thinking and I'm not the OP.  We're all confirmed liars (unless you want to tell me you've never lied before) so that being the case that must mean nothing we say at all is true.  Miss me with that please.   

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    Re: Interesting video from 1996
    « Reply #22 on: September 18, 2023, 05:37:42 AM »
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  • Tis Peter. Michael is camera-shy.
    Not so. Michael was always out in front. Then cometh Peter, and Michael hath taken a back seat. Only recently hast Peter shown his face on camera. Tis Michael in the 1996 video. 


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    Re: Interesting video from 1996
    « Reply #23 on: September 18, 2023, 05:56:49 AM »
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  • OK, so what?  That was nearly 30 years ago now.  Several of "The Nine" were also not sedevacantist when they first broke from SSPX.  Many priests start R&R and then become SV.  Archbishop Lefebvre started nearly SV, then became accordist in the 1980-1984 time period, asking Rome to let him make the "experiment of Tradition" within the Conciliar Church, and then went back to being nearly SV again after Assisi.  This is a confusing crisis, and people change their minds.
    "OK, so what?" I said "Demonstrating how effectively meddling into sedeism can deceive even those who are sincere in the faith into forsaking certain (not all) Catholic beliefs for belief in sedeism" and you give that an "OK, so what?" Digital Logos' last post knew what I'm talking about even if you don't.

    Sedeism was the root cause of what happened to "The Nine." +Sanborn was preaching his idea of sedeism for at least 3, maybe 4 years from the pulpit before they were expelled. After all, a heretic pope cannot promulgate the 62 missal because he's not the pope - in a nutshell that's how all that started, that was the argument. Whatever else you want to believe, +Sanborn was definitely the ring leader of the bunch. Ask any SSPX priest still alive who was SSPX back then and they will tell you the exact same thing.

    Wherever you get your ideas about +ABL and sedeism could only come from a sede source, because what you just wrote above about him is altogether ridiculous. A quote from him here and there questioning the confusion does not mean he started almost sede and waffled back and forth as you did/do/will.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse