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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on August 28, 2016, 08:41:19 PM
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How long do you fast before receiving Holy Communion? Do you follow the new fast of one hour before Communion? Do you follow the Pope Pius XII fast of three hours before Communion? Or do you follow the older law and fast from midnight?
I try to fast from midnight. I don't eat anything or drink anything except for the medicine I take in the morning and a little water to help me swallow my medicine. The Mass I attend is in the afternoon so fasting from midnight is a real penance.
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Three hours from solid food and one hour from liquids other than water.
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Come now! Surely this is not a topic about which any traditional Catholic, or even Novus Ordo catholic, needs to hide his identity!!!
Let's all try not to use the Anonymous Forum for such dribble.
I abstain according to the rules of Pope Pius XII, though I don't actually eat any meal prior to Mass. I have a daily medication that I take each morning and take vitamins with it.
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There's a 7:30AM Sunday Mass at the Society chapel near where I live, and I'm usually out the door at 6:15 for the rosary, prepping, confession. Etc. So by default, I fast from midnight as it's the first thing I do on Sundays.
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Three hours from solid food and one hour from liquids other than water.
Same here.
For a morning Mass, I'd fast from midnight, but as a coincidence, not as a rule.
Mass for us right now is at 4 PM.
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Three hours from solid food and one hour from liquids other than water.
Same here.
For a morning Mass, I'd fast from midnight, but as a coincidence, not as a rule.
Same here.
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I am from the age when even a drop of water was forbidden after midnight prior to receiving Holy Communion. I still remember being trained to receive our First Holy Communion the nuns would explain that God must come first, which is the reason for the Fast. Therefore I had a hard time when the fast was relaxed to only 3 hours, and still to this day, I am careful when brushing my teeth not to swallow, and recently had a discussion with a nun, who agreed that when stirring the powdered milk into coffee as an example; we must make sure it is totally dissolved for fear of breaking the fast.
I was shocked to find out that the SSPX chapel in Post Falls, only has a one hour fast as in the novus ordo. I know this because my grandchildren have gone to Mass there and were surprised to hear of this none fast, since that is what it is being Mass is about an hour long when you consider the time spent to travel there at times.
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I remember when the first Mass at Churches around here started at 5 or 5:30 in the morning and then were spaced out an hour or two apart until 12:30 or 1:00 in the after noon, but these days it's not too uncommon for the only Mass offered to not start until later in the afternoon.
When Mass is late like that, most folks need to eat something 3 or 4 hours before Mass - not a meal, eat just enough to tide them over.
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Come now! Surely this is not a topic about which any traditional Catholic, or even Novus Ordo catholic, needs to hide his identity!!!
I will tell you why I posted this thread in the anonymous forum. I thought that if one could post anonymous more people would answer. I also thought that if it was anonymous it would avoid pride and embarrasment.
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It was providential that the communion fast was reduced to 3 hours before the Crisis in the Church (and later, the Crisis in the SSPX) happened -- look at how many people have to attend Mass in the afternoon or even the evening.
We're not in the 1950's anymore, with a wide variety of Masses within driving distance between 5:00 AM and noon.
Going without food and even water from midnight until, say, 4:00 PM or 7:00 PM is not within the reach of most people. The Church would never demand this of Catholics.
When the midnight fast was practiced, the situation in the Church was completely different. Afternoon and evening Masses were forbidden -- and unnecessary -- back then.
Life as a traditional Catholic in 2016 is hard enough. Let's not be like the Pharisees and place additional burdens on Catholics that God didn't intend to impose.
There's a reason why the SSPX recommends the 3 hour fast. Meanwhile, the Novus Ordo 1 hour fast is a joke -- it's not a fast at all. All it means is that you have to stop eating food in your car 15 minutes before you arrive for Mass! You could feel extremely full all throughout the Mass. Another example of the Conciliar Church eliminating penance and mortification from the lives of the Novus Ordo Catholics.
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Come now! Surely this is not a topic about which any traditional Catholic, or even Novus Ordo catholic, needs to hide his identity!!!
I will tell you why I posted this thread in the anonymous forum. I thought that if one could post anonymous more people would answer. I also thought that if it was anonymous it would avoid pride and embarrasment.
What a GREAT REASON! I think we should just eliminate ALL of the other sub-forums and just have one great big Anonymous Forum. That way, when discussing any issue--even such as this, we can avoid pride and embarrassment and everyone will be sure the reply.
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It was providential that the communion fast was reduced to 3 hours before the Crisis in the Church (and later, the Crisis in the SSPX) happened -- look at how many people have to attend Mass in the afternoon or even the evening.
We're not in the 1950's anymore, with a wide variety of Masses within driving distance between 5:00 AM and noon.
Going without food and even water from midnight until, say, 4:00 PM or 7:00 PM is not within the reach of most people. The Church would never demand this of Catholics.
When the midnight fast was practiced, the situation in the Church was completely different. Afternoon and evening Masses were forbidden -- and unnecessary -- back then.
Life as a traditional Catholic in 2016 is hard enough. Let's not be like the Pharisees and place additional burdens on Catholics that God didn't intend to impose.
Actually, if you read the docuмent of Pius XII that changed the fast to three hours, the reasons you cite above are precisely the reasons he changed the fast.
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What a GREAT REASON! I think we should just eliminate ALL of the other sub-forums and just have one great big Anonymous Forum. That way, when discussing any issue--even such as this, we can avoid pride and embarrassment and everyone will be sure the reply.
:incense: :incense: :incense: :pray: :pray: :pray:
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It was providential that the communion fast was reduced to 3 hours before the Crisis in the Church (and later, the Crisis in the SSPX) happened -- look at how many people have to attend Mass in the afternoon or even the evening.
We're not in the 1950's anymore, with a wide variety of Masses within driving distance between 5:00 AM and noon.
Going without food and even water from midnight until, say, 4:00 PM or 7:00 PM is not within the reach of most people. The Church would never demand this of Catholics.
When the midnight fast was practiced, the situation in the Church was completely different. Afternoon and evening Masses were forbidden -- and unnecessary -- back then.
Life as a traditional Catholic in 2016 is hard enough. Let's not be like the Pharisees and place additional burdens on Catholics that God didn't intend to impose.
There's a reason why the SSPX recommends the 3 hour fast. Meanwhile, the Novus Ordo 1 hour fast is a joke -- it's not a fast at all. All it means is that you have to stop eating food in your car 15 minutes before you arrive for Mass! You could feel extremely full all throughout the Mass. Another example of the Conciliar Church eliminating penance and mortification from the lives of the Novus Ordo Catholics.
Thank you Matthew, to be honest I never thought of that!
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That last note was me!
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Come now! Surely this is not a topic about which any traditional Catholic, or even Novus Ordo catholic, needs to hide his identity!!!
I will tell you why I posted this thread in the anonymous forum. I thought that if one could post anonymous more people would answer. I also thought that if it was anonymous it would avoid pride and embarrasment.
What a GREAT REASON! I think we should just eliminate ALL of the other sub-forums and just have one great big Anonymous Forum. That way, when discussing any issue--even such as this, we can avoid pride and embarrassment and everyone will be sure the reply.
Man oh man I'm with you on that one TKGS.
Edit: crap, its me S2SREA
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I grew up N.O. and generally do a one hour fast if I attend an early Mass. When I attend a 10:30 Mass, I do the 3 hour.
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I grew up N.O. and generally do a one hour fast if I attend an early Mass. When I attend a 10:30 Mass, I do the 3 hour.
That seems kind of backwards.
So you grab a McMuffin on the way to Mass?
Most Traditional Catholics have to drive at least 1/2 hour to Mass on Sunday (though 1 hour is average, and many people travel even further).
Communion isn't distributed until 1/2 hour to 40 minutes after Mass begins, depending on if there's a sermon.
So your "cut-off" for eating would be about 25 minutes before Mass begins -- while you're still on the road. So halfway through your commute to Mass, you have to stop eating. You could literally grab a fast-food breakfast on the way to Mass.
Or, if you live in the city and your chapel is 10 or 15 minutes away, you could be finishing up your meal AS YOU PULL INTO THE PARKING LOT and still go to Communion, if you arrive at the chapel a bit early, in time for the Rosary.
How can you call that "fasting before Communion"? Isn't that a tad ridiculous?
Would any worldling or unbeliever ask you "why are you fasting"? Would you ever have to explain to a worldling or unbeliever why you can't eat right now, because you're going to Communion later? Of course not. How convenient for human respect.
Just some food for thought.
P.S. I hope you don't consider yourself all done "growing up" if you "grew up Novus Ordo". In at least that one aspect, you have some growing up (or perhaps we'll call it "self improvement") to do. I would suggest you endeavor to grow OUT of being Novus Ordo. You need to leave everything about the N.O. far behind you.
There is nothing specifically Novus Ordo that isn't detestable and rotten. What about the Rosary? That isn't SPECIFICALLY Novus Ordo. The Rosary existed long before the Novus Ordo. But everything (tendencies, beliefs, music, architecture, liturgy, you name it) brought in after Vatican II is rotten and to be thrown in the trash can without hesitation or compunction. It all came from past heresies -- google "anti liturgical heresy".
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There is nothing specifically Novus Ordo that isn't detestable and rotten. What about the Rosary? That isn't SPECIFICALLY Novus Ordo. The Rosary existed long before the Novus Ordo. But everything (tendencies, beliefs, music, architecture, liturgy, you name it) brought in after Vatican II is rotten and to be thrown in the trash can without hesitation or compunction. It all came from past heresies -- google "anti liturgical heresy".
And the Novus Ordo religion even perverts the Rosary. It's not just the "Luminous Mysteries". When Wojtyla "changed" the rosary, he did much more than just add new mysteries.
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The New Rosary.
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How long do you fast before receiving Holy Communion? Do you follow the new fast of one hour before Communion? Do you follow the Pope Pius XII fast of three hours before Communion? Or do you follow the older law and fast from midnight?
I try to fast from midnight. I don't eat anything or drink anything except for the medicine I take in the morning and a little water to help me swallow my medicine. The Mass I attend is in the afternoon so fasting from midnight is a real penance.
I fast from dinner the previous night until Mass the next morning but I will drink water.
If it is an afternoon or evening Mass then I fast for at least three hours.
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I want to emphasize:
Say you're going to a baby's baptism.
When you AND your apostate/non-Catholic relatives both have no problem pulling into McDonald's on the way to Mass, you know you have a problem.
They don't give a single thought to fasting, and your practical behavior is equal to theirs. Problem? I think so.
My point? Effectively, practically speaking, you're not fasting.
When you walk into a Trad church groggy from the food you just finished, still picking food out of your teeth, your food hasn't settled yet, you're gasping/hiccuping and burping during the Rosary, etc.* you know that something is amiss!
* And getting calls from Nature: when you're chewing your last bite of breakfast as you head into church for the Rosary and Mass -- still "kosher" according to the 1 hour fast -- you might have to miss a couple decades of the Rosary in the chapel bathroom.
Not to be indelicate, but restaurants all have restrooms for a reason. It's a question of biology. Putting food in the stomach tends to activate one's entire digestive system -- from A to Z.
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And getting calls from Nature: when you're chewing your last bite of breakfast as you head into church for the Rosary and Mass -- still "kosher" according to the 1 hour fast -- you might have to miss a couple decades of the Rosary in the chapel bathroom.
Aha! NOW I understand why Montini changed the fast to just one hour! It's kosher!!!! :roll-laugh2:
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Fr Ciszak wrote that there were some men who abstained from food and water until late into the night so that hey could receive Holy Communion.
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So you grab a McMuffin on the way to Mass?
The above cracked me up. To truly celebrate a Novus Ordo Mess, a person should have 2 McMuffins and a 32 ounces Mountain Dew.
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I think novus ordo mess centers should have a Starbucks or Taco Bell attached so parishioners can enjoy a taco ten pack during the service.
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Fr Ciszak wrote that there were some men who abstained from food and water until late into the night so that hey could receive Holy Communion.
For those not in the know, Fr. Ciszak was the author of "With God in Russia" -- he spent years in a Soviet Gulag.
This book happened to be chosen by +Williamson for table reading during my time at the Winona, MN seminary. Now there's a wise rector! Teach the seminarians that A) this is war, not a game B) the struggle is fierce, C) today's young seminarians and priests might have to endure persecution and martyrdom someday, and D) Communism, created by Jews, is evil -- our mortal enemy -- and must be fought.
You can read all about him:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Ciszek
So anyhow -- If I were imprisoned in a cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ or gulag, being persecuted for the Catholic Faith, I might do the same thing.
But for the average layman, I still say it's out of reach for most of them.
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I think novus ordo mess centers should have a Starbucks or Taco Bell attached so parishioners can enjoy a taco ten pack during the service.
If they did that, they'd have to install more bathrooms and increase the frequency of the bathroom cleaning schedule.
This is Taco Bell we're talking about.