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Author Topic: How can stealing not be a sin?  (Read 3752 times)

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Re: How can stealing not be a sin?
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2020, 08:52:29 AM »

Yes, it is wrong, but..... if one's family is going hungry, what does one do? I seem to recall that stealing less than $20.00 is only a venial sin. A loaf of bread is less than that.

Re: How can stealing not be a sin?
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2020, 10:34:00 AM »
Yes, it is wrong, but if one's family is going hungry, what does one do? I seem to recall that stealing less than $20.00 is only a venial sin. A loaf of bread is less than that.
Depends on whom you steal the $20 from.  Is it a widow on a fixed income living in a hovel, or it is Bill Gates, Elon Musk, or Jeff Bezos?  (I think I recall reading not long ago that Elon was actually in kind of dire financial straits.  I'd hate to think of him living on frozen sandwiches from Dollar Tree.)

In drastic circuмstances, Aquinas teaches that all goods are owned in common.  And if your family is hungry, and your community is so nasty and churlish that you cannot get help from anybody, then their right to their property has to take a back seat to the immediate needs of your family, especially your children (a fortiori if your wife is with child).  Pay it back later in secret, if you can.

I knew of one Caribbean island, struck by Hurricane Irma, where the owners of a grocery store which was in shambles, told people "just take what you need, we don't need it, and we know you do".


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Re: How can stealing not be a sin?
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2020, 11:27:26 AM »
What country do you live in? In the United States, we have entitlement programs which function as a safety net for those in poverty. We have various welfare programs for those truly in need. These programs aren't going anywhere. If you fail to take advantage of such programs out of some misplaced principles, it is you that is taking food from your own family members' mouths. Ditch the pride, and sign up for food stamps and any other programs you qualify for.

Re: How can stealing not be a sin?
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2020, 01:08:20 PM »
What country do you live in? In the United States, we have entitlement programs which function as a safety net for those in poverty. We have various welfare programs for those truly in need. These programs aren't going anywhere. If you fail to take advantage of such programs out of some misplaced principles, it is you that is taking food from your own family members' mouths. Ditch the pride, and sign up for food stamps and any other programs you qualify for.
I live in the United States, in her glorious Southland.  Not all programs can reach all people.  Sometimes you are hungry right now and you can't wait to get your SNAP benefits, and neither can your family.  Sometimes people don't qualify for some things that, by all rights, they should get.  There can be extenuating circuмstances.  Again, hunger is often a "right now" thing.