Author Topic: Why is being pro-Hitler bad? (Read 11870 times)

Graham · « **Reply #25 on:** April 03, 2012, 12:53:50 PM »

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A eugenics mindset is widespread in society today.

Indeed. And opposition to valid, fruitful marriages between people who will produce mixed race children would seem to be part of that mindset.

Such opposition can be acceptable to the Church, depending on what precisely you mean by "oppostion".

Also note that not all forms of eugenics are deemed unacceptable by the Church. There are moral and immoral forms of eugenics.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/16038b.htm

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But the Church, too, has a doctrine concerning marriage and its use, and also a doctrine and a method of dealing with racial defects. The Church therefore has no fault to find with race culture as such. Rather does she encourage it. But she wishes it carried out on right lines.

I'm not sure what is mean by "race" in this passage - whether the human race or its divisions. The whole article is an eye-opener, though.

s2srea · « **Reply #26 on:** April 03, 2012, 01:30:56 PM »

Quote from: Graham

Quote from: clare
Quote from: John Grace
A eugenics mindset is widespread in society today.

Indeed. And opposition to valid, fruitful marriages between people who will produce mixed race children would seem to be part of that mindset.

Such opposition can be acceptable to the Church, depending on what precisely you mean by "oppostion".

Perhaps you would define for us what it is your own definition of what your opinion of 'acceptable opposition' which the Church might hold; where would She object to a fruitful marriage because of there being mixed races? Surely, a marriage based solely on race would not be fruitful, so this would be excluded.

Graham · « **Reply #27 on:** April 03, 2012, 01:42:34 PM »

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Quote from: Graham
Quote from: clare
Quote from: John Grace
A eugenics mindset is widespread in society today.

Indeed. And opposition to valid, fruitful marriages between people who will produce mixed race children would seem to be part of that mindset.

Such opposition can be acceptable to the Church, depending on what precisely you mean by "oppostion".

Perhaps you would define for us what it is your own definition of what your opinion of 'acceptable opposition' which the Church might hold; where would She object to a fruitful marriage because of there being mixed races? Surely, a marriage based solely on race would not be fruitful, so this would be excluded.

I didn't say the Church does or would object to mixed race marriages, I said objections based on race, or other eugenic objections, can be acceptable to the Church.

Maizar · « **Reply #28 on:** April 04, 2012, 03:42:04 AM »

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St. Ladislaus, the king of Hungary, banned marriages with Jews in the 11th century. There also was a time when convents were segregated. There were cases of people not being able to enter religious orders due to racial segregation. Possibly the most famous case is of Ursula de Jesus, a former black slave who was forbidden to enter a religious order in 17th century Peru. Instead she was permitted stay within the convent as a servant.

But he did not pass a law banning the marriage between an Hungarian and a Khazar, and separating Jєωιѕн converts from religious life was a sign he did not trust those converts (and I am sure he had his reasons), but this is still not racial segregation. So his laws were against a religion, not a race.

I bet he did not ban the marriage between a Hungarian and Khazar if they were both Catholic.