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« on: January 03, 2017, 08:58:04 AM »
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  • I'm upset. On Christmas we always have our extended family over. This past Christmas was no different. However, one of my relatives who I've known was quite liberal came out at our dinner table and announced that he was ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ/gαy. He said he had found a possible man to marry online and asked for our families support. He said this in plain view of my 5 kids. Now my younger boys are asking me what is ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ? Can I marry a man? My family is devastated. Should this individual be barred from future family gatherings? O foresee a gαy wedding invitation forthcoming. How should I deal with this? What should I tell my kids?


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    « Reply #1 on: January 03, 2017, 09:03:23 AM »
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    I'm upset. On Christmas we always have our extended family over. This past Christmas was no different. However, one of my relatives who I've known was quite liberal came out at our dinner table and announced that he was ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ/gαy. He said he had found a possible man to marry online and asked for our families support. He said this in plain view of my 5 kids. Now my younger boys are asking me what is ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ? Can I marry a man? My family is devastated. Should this individual be barred from future family gatherings? O foresee a gαy wedding invitation forthcoming. How should I deal with this? What should I tell my kids?


    What do you think?


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    « Reply #2 on: January 03, 2017, 09:18:08 AM »
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  • The world is going insane. Either you join the insanity, or take a stand against it.

    Personally, I would never join in the insanity, even if I were the only one. Being spiritually insane is not a good thing, and no path to salvation!

    God gave us Reason, and God is Truth.
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    « Reply #3 on: January 03, 2017, 09:48:58 AM »
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  • Because of the cultural climate of our day, your relative expected to be praised and congratulated by all for his announcement.  Did he receive praise from some of those in attendance?  You don't say, but I would be willing to bet that some of those at your gathering did indeed tell him how wonderful his news was.

    It is unfortunate, but these kinds of realities must be explained to your children according to their ability to understand.  You will have to explain the truth that, no, a man cannot marry a man but that our government has become so crazy that they pretend that they can and many people have become so spiritually sick that they do these things.  You will have to tell them that your relative has now told you of his absolute hate for God and that he needs their prayers now more than ever before.

    Furthermore, you will have to tell him that you cannot support him in this spiritual death, you will not come to any "wedding", nor will you acknowledge a "partner" or whatever they call them these days.  If he is to come to any more gatherings you host, he will have to come alone and must never discuss this issue at your home.  If he will come to gatherings others in your family host, you and your family will have to decline an invitation.  

    This affair will likely split your family--with you being in the very small minority unless, as Matthew says above, you decide to join in the insanity.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 03, 2017, 10:56:28 AM »
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  • I'm op.  Indeed some praised him @tkgs


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    « Reply #5 on: January 03, 2017, 11:01:12 AM »
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  • Slam dunk him!  Take care of your own family!  Prayers for the pagans!

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    « Reply #6 on: January 03, 2017, 11:33:54 AM »
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  • This individual MUST be barred from all future family gatherings. The purity of your children souls are much more important than all human respect. I would not wait for such a situation to occur, in order to put an end to all contact with such type of persons. If someone is suspect of "liberal" ideas, especially in regards to morals such as this, then exposing this person to my children is an error to begin with. They are not welcome in my house, nor would I attend gatherings where I know they will be there.

    I would tell the children briefly that men cannot "marry" men. But when they engage in unchaste acts with each other, (or in behaviors that are only reserved for wives and husbands) is a serious abomination to the Lord and if they were to die in that state, they would go to Hell. God created man and women to marry each other and procreate. Therefore, the filthy sodomite vice it is clearly a grave offense against God's will, it even goes contrary to the Natural Law, and it is one of the sins that cry Heaven for vengeance.  And in fact, God has destroyed entire cities over it.

    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 03, 2017, 12:04:47 PM »
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    Should this individual be barred from future family gatherings?


    Yes.


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    « Reply #8 on: January 03, 2017, 12:14:02 PM »
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  • I would let the family member know that you love them, but you cannot allow your family to be around them. I would not go to any family gatherings that he is present because he will likely talk freely about it with no regard to the innocence of your children. I wouldn't even respond to the "wedding" invitation, and if you let him in your house at all, I would make sure he knows his "partner" is not welcome, and any talk of it is not allowed. Personally I wouldn't even take the chance around my children. Even if he doesn't talk about about it in your home, he is still bringing evil attachments through the door of your safe and holy home.

    Are there other family members that are upset about this? I hope so. I'm sorry, OP. It's likely that your family will never be the same. :(
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27

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    « Reply #9 on: January 03, 2017, 02:48:10 PM »
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    Should this individual be barred from future family gatherings?


    Yes.


    Also those members who accept the queer as queer must be barred.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #10 on: January 03, 2017, 10:51:40 PM »
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  • Dear OP,

    Yours has been my situation for the last three years.  Once my aunt, the "matriarch" of the extended family, a semi-practicing Catholic, died in 2014, that which had been done in secret but never mentioned or acted upon in public was openly "celebrated" at the annual Christmas Eve gathering.  There are two "divorced" cousins with "divorced" men living with them, a male "couple," since "married," a lesbian who prefers many "partners," and a daughter of one of the cousins who calls herself a "transgender." There are about a dozen children from age four on up at these gatherings.  Fortunately, I was given 10 day's warning that the 2014 event was to be a "coming out" party for Gary and Michael, and a "show of support" for Aimeè, transitioning to "Emile."  Gifts and cards were to be for them, not for Christmas, as "none of us believe in it."

    The invitation was politely but firmly declined.  I attempted an explanation, but was unable to proceed once I uttered the words "morals" and "Catholic."  My cousin spewed rash accusations and profanity at me and hung up.  There has been no contact between us, myself plus elderly parents, since December 16, 2014---a total split in the family, nearly 30 against three.  It's very sad because my mother, in her 90's, is Godmother to several of the cousins who refuse even birthday cards and phone calls.  My father is angry and upset at how Mom is treated, and wonders if he is in any way to blame for not speaking to his sister more forcefully as her children were growing up marginal Catholics. My uncle was a non-religious Protestant who didn't honor the promises he made to the priest.  At the time of their wedding, my aunt was in her early 30s, living on her own, working at a professional career.  My father was 8 years her junior, having joined the service directly after high school. Dad was serving in the Pacific when the Korean War broke out, so he re-enlisted.  He didn't find out about the wedding until two months after the fact. I say, "No, Dad, NOT your fault!"

    Your situation is admittedly pathetic, but there's no sense in letting it ruin your life in the next world, or in this world!  You'll have to make your own traditions and find others with whom to celebrate.  It's not easy.  I spent most of Christmas 2014 in mourning and was so distraught I was physically ill and missed Mass.  2015 was a little better, but not by much because Dad wasn't well.  This year was much better because I planned in advance how the three of us could celebrate the birth of Our Lord in a manner pleasing to Him and suited to the needs of an elderly couple and their 60 year old daughter.  

    Try this- A week in advance of the times you formerly spent with family, make plans for whomever is left to celebrate with the emphasis on Our Lord, Our Blessed Mother, the angels and saints.  It's much easier to come up with wholesome and fun activities with children than with elderly parents in unstable health.  As for the explanation as to why you don't visit anymore, answer your children only if they ask, and then only answer what they ask--- no more.  

    The question of same-sex "marriage" has come up more than once with the 5-7 years old special needs children with whom I work.  Since it is a "Christian" agency, I don't have to lie or lose my job.  I keep answers brief, simple, and referenced to God's Law and natural law.  Even children of low academic ability know that in the animal kingdom, there are mommies, daddies, and babies. Most of all, pray for your wayward family members' conversions.  

    I'll pray for you and your family.
     :pray:


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    « Reply #11 on: January 03, 2017, 11:09:46 PM »
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    This individual MUST be barred from all future family gatherings. The purity of your children souls are much more important than all human respect. I would not wait for such a situation to occur, in order to put an end to all contact with such type of persons. If someone is suspect of "liberal" ideas, especially in regards to morals such as this, then exposing this person to my children is an error to begin with. They are not welcome in my house, nor would I attend gatherings where I know they will be there.

    I would tell the children briefly that men cannot "marry" men. But when they engage in unchaste acts with each other, (or in behaviors that are only reserved for wives and husbands) is a serious abomination to the Lord and if they were to die in that state, they would go to Hell. God created man and women to marry each other and procreate. Therefore, the filthy sodomite vice it is clearly a grave offense against God's will, it even goes contrary to the Natural Law, and it is one of the sins that cry Heaven for vengeance.  And in fact, God has destroyed entire cities over it.



    also explain that true love can only be found between a man and a woman

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    « Reply #12 on: January 04, 2017, 01:22:48 AM »
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    I'm upset. On Christmas we always have our extended family over. This past Christmas was no different. However, one of my relatives who I've known was quite liberal came out at our dinner table and announced that he was ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ/gαy. He said he had found a possible man to marry online and asked for our families support. He said this in plain view of my 5 kids. Now my younger boys are asking me what is ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ? Can I marry a man? My family is devastated. Should this individual be barred from future family gatherings? O foresee a gαy wedding invitation forthcoming. How should I deal with this? What should I tell my kids?


    I would suggest that you tell your 'gαy' cousins that if they do not want to be persona no grata in your home that they refrain from mentioning or talking about gαyness in the future at family gatherings which you will be hosting.
    I don't know how old your children are but I would suggest that the most polite answer that you can give is that your cousins are part of a religion that we do not believe in.  

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    « Reply #13 on: January 04, 2017, 01:42:47 PM »
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  • I heard this sermon about "living our convictions with discernment" this morning, thought of the OP.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #14 on: January 04, 2017, 11:51:18 PM »
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  •  You and your husband have been blessed by God with 5 children.  That's your family. You should now get your home enthroned to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. Use Holy water.

    My husband and I spent Christmas home alone after Mass.  We don't have any children.  It is really painful.  

    The good thing is that we have been shunned.  They know better not to send us an invitation to any gαy wedding.