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« on: October 18, 2014, 10:53:53 AM »
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  • I was prompted to ask this question upon reading another thread where there was some side-discussion on giving Our Lady wildflowers versus professional arrangements, though I am greatly simplifying what was actually being discussed.  

    Is there anything wrong with honoring Our Lady in what I would call a more child-like manner?  To choose to approach her more as one's mother than as the Queen of Angels?  My biological mother was very abusive and the Mother of God is the only exposure to a loving maternal figure that I have ever had.  And so while I honor her as our sovereign Queen, I suppose I'm more child-like in my approach, as I am with much of life in general.  

    I pray the Rosary and am consecrated to her, but I also talk to her throughout the day like a child would talk to his mother.  I turn to her in sorrow, I sing her hymns to show that I love her.  Yes, I even pick her wildflowers.  

    Is this just sentimentalism that I ought to lay aside as a grown adult?  Or is this acceptable?


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    « Reply #1 on: October 18, 2014, 11:58:28 AM »
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  • Child-like devotion doesn't mean functioning in a silly or cute way like a child.  It means always turning to our Lady(prayer, petition, discernment, and imitation) in all things, as a child is wholly dependent on their parents.  We "fly unto thee, o virgin of virgins".  That is what it means.  

    St. Paul answers your question about whether adults should act as adults(responsible).  And, the answer is, you should act as an adult.  "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child.  But, when I became a man(adult), I put away the things of a child." - 1 corinthians 13-11

    I suspect by your concern, that you are perhaps making a mistake or bordering on making a mistake in your devotion.  

    Also, if you are vocalizing your "talking to her throughout the day", do stop that.  That is protestant and irreverent.  Prayer(the lifting of ones heart and mind to God, and even to our Lady) must be reverent.  This is why we bow our head at the name of the Lord(whether in prayer or daily speech).  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    « Reply #2 on: October 18, 2014, 01:19:22 PM »
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  • Please don't listen to PG's opinion, which feels like bullying.

    There is nothing Protestant whatsoever in your description of your devotion to the Queen of Angels. Nothing.  Please don't be tempted to scrupulosity.  Send your OP in a letter to a traditional nun and I wager you will receive a loving and grateful response.

    You are not doing anything wrong, and we know St. Catherine Laboure needed the BVM to be her Mother after her mom passed away.  And it's doubtful that the Laboures had a florist to deliver hothouse flowers!  


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    « Reply #3 on: October 18, 2014, 05:09:12 PM »
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  • Don't be mistaken about what I have posted.  I am not saying do not be joyful or thankful in life and in prayer.  But, talking and prayer are two different things.  And, religious usually have approved prayers(traditional prayers/ways of approaching God and our Lady).

    Also, as for getting advice from a nun, I am not sure that is preferred, being that I think the OP is a male.  And, nuns are cloistered.  The OP is not.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    « Reply #4 on: October 18, 2014, 05:26:26 PM »
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    Also, if you are vocalizing your "talking to her throughout the day", do stop that.  That is protestant and irreverent.  Prayer(the lifting of ones heart and mind to God, and even to our Lady) must be reverent.  This is why we bow our head at the name of the Lord(whether in prayer or daily speech).  


    I was told by a traditional priest that I should confide in her as my mother.  It's nearly always in my heart, not vocal.  I ask her to help me, and I tell her about my burdens, my fears, my struggles, and sometimes I ask her to comfort me.  Sometimes, I just tell her that I love her and that I want to love God like she does.  

    When I pray to her throughout the day, it keeps my mind directed toward God.  

    I do understand the difference between child-like and childish.  I meant no disrespect.  It is only that I think of her as a mother, my mother and God's, that is infinitely approachable and merciful.  This does not mean that I behave irreverently, but I feel no fear, something I never had with my biological mother.  

    I despise the sentimentalism of the Novus Ordo and Protestantism, but I still struggle with many things as a result of my upbringing.  And feeling completely abandoned and alone is one of them, as is scrupulosity.  Please pray for me.  


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    « Reply #5 on: October 18, 2014, 05:28:26 PM »
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    Don't be mistaken about what I have posted.  I am not saying do not be joyful or thankful in life and in prayer.  But, talking and prayer are two different things.  And, religious usually have approved prayers(traditional prayers/ways of approaching God and our Lady).

    Also, as for getting advice from a nun, I am not sure that is preferred, being that I think the OP is a male.  And, nuns are cloistered.  The OP is not.  


    I'm actually a female.  

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    « Reply #6 on: October 18, 2014, 09:09:17 PM »
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  • My comment is probably the one that caused your post.

    My advice to you is to stop worrying about it and do whatever devotion that you would like to do.
    Stop comparing yourself to others. My spiritual life is probably different from yours. My means and state in life may be different as well.

    I was merely replying to the annoying post by Poche who should just mind his own business and not give marital advice.

    Our Lady loves any devotion and rewards it in ways we cannot imagine.

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    I was prompted to ask this question upon reading another thread where there was some side-discussion on giving Our Lady wildflowers versus professional arrangements, though I am greatly simplifying what was actually being discussed.  

    Is there anything wrong with honoring Our Lady in what I would call a more child-like manner?  To choose to approach her more as one's mother than as the Queen of Angels?  My biological mother was very abusive and the Mother of God is the only exposure to a loving maternal figure that I have ever had.  And so while I honor her as our sovereign Queen, I suppose I'm more child-like in my approach, as I am with much of life in general.  

    I pray the Rosary and am consecrated to her, but I also talk to her throughout the day like a child would talk to his mother.  I turn to her in sorrow, I sing her hymns to show that I love her.  Yes, I even pick her wildflowers.  

    Is this just sentimentalism that I ought to lay aside as a grown adult?  Or is this acceptable?


    The Holy Virgin looks into the heart when she recieves the gifts that are offered to her.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 20, 2014, 10:03:15 AM »
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    Also, if you are vocalizing your "talking to her throughout the sday", do stop that.  That is protestant and irreverent.  Prayer(the lifting of ones heart and mind to God, and even to our Lady) must be reverent.  This is why we bow our head at the name of the Lord(whether in prayer or daily speech).  


    I was told by a traditional priest that I should confide in her as my mother.  It's nearly always in my heart, not vocal.  I ask her to help me, and I tell her about my burdens, my fears, my struggles, and sometimes I ask her to comfort me.  Sometimes, I just tell her that I love her and that I want to love God like she does.  

    When I pray to her throughout the day, it keeps my mind directed toward God.  

    I do understand the difference between child-like and childish.  I meant no disrespect.  It is only that I think of her as a mother, my mother and God's, that is infinitely approachable and merciful.  This does not mean that I behave irreverently, but I feel no fear, something I never had with my biological mother.  

    I despise the sentimentalism of the Novus Ordo and Protestantism, but I still struggle with many things as a result of my upbringing.  And feeling completely abandoned and alone is one of them, as is scrupulosity.  Please pray for me.  


    This clarifies your style and intent.
    For some reason this discussion reminds me of a novus ordo class I attended, for "deacons", but open to laity, on their philosophy of "high Christology vs low Christology".  Summed up, they said there is no right or wrong way of viewing and approaching Our Lord - either as King, or good buddy, whatever felt comfortable, 'cause it's all about the relationship.  I completed the course, but it was painful listening to others discuss their pal, Jesus.
    We should know that the tenderness of her Motherhood must be solicited with the utmost reverence.  We were, after all, entrusted to her by Our Lord, so she is indeed Our Mother, but she is Queen, and Mother of the King.  That should always be uppermost when we approach her. Yet I've heard even some trads refer to her in very casual terms, which suggests a "low Maryology", to paraphrase the n.o.
    In your clarification, it seems you have found a proper balance, against the odds of what your earthly mother wrought.  Deo gratias.
    As to flowers, her statue in our garden is surrounded with wildflowers, but when presenting at church, a formal touch is required, if not professionally ordered.