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Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 21, 2016, 10:18:52 PM
While I don't wish to indulge or add to scandal I'd like to hear the thoughts on this major revelation. The man has been repentant.

http://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/limiting-god

Whatever the matter, I will now reveal that for most of my years in my thirties, confused about my own sɛҳuąƖity, I lived a life of live-in relationships with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men. From the outside, I lived the lifestyle and contributed to scandal in addition to the sɛҳuąƖ sins. On the inside, I was deeply conflicted about all of it. In a large portion of my twenties, I also had frequent sɛҳuąƖ liaisons with both adult men and adult women.

These are the sins of my past life in this area which are all now publicly admitted and owned by me. That was before my reversion to the Faith.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Matto on April 21, 2016, 10:29:37 PM
My goodness. I am very shocked. What is going on in this world?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Nadir on April 21, 2016, 10:40:59 PM
My thoughts revolve around why you chose to publish another's confessed sins anonymously.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 21, 2016, 10:59:01 PM

This guy had a lot of secrets and went on a spree attacking the SSPX and various members of the clergy. Why is he in the public realm? He is vulnerable to public attacks and cohersion. This calls into question the motives of everything he has ever said. He could've easily been blackmailed after having been in the spotlight for years.

The OP could've used quotation marks!
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 21, 2016, 11:44:15 PM
It is wicked and malicious for them to condemn Voris (or anyone else for that matter) over the sins of a previous life before conversion or reversion.  

This public attack is anti-Catholic also. Converting or reverting to the state of grace is literally killing the old man and being completely re - born in Jesus. Was not Mary Magdalene truly pardoned?... Christ promises He makes all things NEW. He came to earth to rescue not the just but the sinner. This is a repentant sinner, as we are all.

If you truly repent over the sins of a previous life, however hideous and revolting these may be, and have received the sacrament of Penance, then God has forgiven you.

Why the world would keep bringing those up again? It is malicious on the part of his public enemies.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: LaramieHirsch on April 22, 2016, 04:43:19 AM
A damn shame about what they're doing to Voris.  Fr. Paul Nicholson's behavior is atrocious.  

I will continue to like or disdain CMTV based on what they say, not on some clandestine sinful past that their staff is trying to put behind them after conversion.  

My words on the CMTV Facebook thread about this:

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[C]aution in this matter is rare and admirable. On the one hand, we have to take CMTV's word that the archdiocese was out to get him. But on the other hand, Voris had to beat them to the punch. Add to that the fact that Voris' testimony surely was not easy, and also add Fr. Nicholson's latest petty maneuver--and it begins, a little, to seem legit. Either way, I support Voris in this matter, even though I'm positive CMTV will NOT extend a friendly hand towards my "Toxic Trad" circles. And I will continue to either enjoy or disdain CMTV based on WHAT THEY SAY, and not because of something Voris did in his past. Good luck with those back stabbers, Voris.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Stubborn on April 22, 2016, 05:44:46 AM
In his misplaced zeal to "trap and expose lies and falsehoods" - (note that that catch phrase was eliminated in the OP's video), he, admitting to being one of the deceivers; "I did not intend to deceive", is now exposing himself.

The man needs prayers, he's on the wrong side.

 

 



 
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: TKGS on April 22, 2016, 05:51:58 AM
Interesting video.  Frankly, this video makes everything Voris says about the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who have infested the Conciliar church even more credible.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: LaramieHirsch on April 22, 2016, 07:04:28 AM
I Support Michael Voris Today

Though ChurchMilitantTV has been at odds with Traditional Catholics in my circles for the last year, I find myself backing them and Michael Voris today.

According to CMTV, the archdiocese of New York is planning a smear campaign against Michael Voris by revealing his sinful past before his conversion into Catholicism.  If true, this is a wretched and terrible thing for the archdiocese to do.  According to CMTV, calumny was being spread about Voris at the Dunwoodie seminary, and that a campaign was to begin which would attempt to tarnish his name.

This scheme has forced Michael Voris' hand, causing him to strike first and reveal his sinful past for millions of viewers online.  I will not even link to this CMTV Voris episode, as it is unfortunate and unnecessary for Voris to have to qualify himself in such a humiliating manner.

Voris does not have to qualify himself for me or any other Traditionalist Catholic.  A sinful past is past.  It is wrong for anyone to try to dredge up something on a repentant man in order to do damage to his reputation.  Voris, for all appearances, has a clean life and is full of zeal.  Anyone can see that.

Now, Voris and CMTV have said some nasty things about Traditionalist Catholics.  They muzzle anyone who criticizes Pope Francis, and they're quite wrong about the Society of Saint Pius X.  However, their organization has done a lot of good as well.  Exposing corrupt clergy has been a great help for the common laity.  CMTV has done great service for regular people who hold no authority over anything.  Time and again, Voris and company have exposed wicked things going on within the Church hierarchy, and for this we shall forever be grateful.

However, if I and others are to take issue with Michael Voris or CMTV, it is because of what they say, not what they may have done in the past.  If Voris, Niles, or any one of them over at CMTV goes off on another tear about how people attending SSPX Mass are more wicked than satanists, then they are completely wrong and deserve to be called out.  However, let it not be denied that they also hit the nail right on the head on other issues.  They are a mixed bag, so I say: accept that.

Speaking of comparing SSPX to satanists, CMTV's buddy, Father Paul Nicholson has decided to do a 180 on Voris and friends, and to COMPLETELY DISOWN THEM.

First, there was this:

Dear friends; I apologize for not providing you with a daily video, and this may be for a while. I have ceased doing business with the company that provided the platform. While my future is uncertain, I entrust myself to the Providential goodness of God the Father. If you could, in your kindness continue your financial support during this adventure, I would be most appreciative. God reward you! Fr. Paul Nicholson

So, okay. He's disowning CMTV here. Then, he goes along to stab his former colleague in the back. Fr. Paul Nicholson, a public figure and a leader who we address as "Father," acts petty, and attributes some of the worst stereotypical characteristics to Michael Voris. He does this in the manner of a backbiting, gossiping, high school cheerleader who's putting down her competition on the team:

Those who are the most ardent fault finders are those who suffer from a deep self-hatred. ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts produces in an individual such self-loathing that it not surprising that the gαy culture manifests itself in attacking with hostility. Unwittingly the culture of the Internet is dominated by this gαy culture ... And today, many Catholics are so deformed that they have succuмbed to it. That is why there are groups and individuals who can make a living off of bashing bishops. They survive on poorly formed Catholics. Do not follow or listen to anyone who bashes the sacred hierarchy. It is an evident sign they experience self-loathing. Even if the person has repented of deep sɛҳuąƖ sins in their past, human nature will be infected by those sins. It can happen therefore that the prodigal son can turn into the elder brother. Have nothing to do with these forms of "apostolate".

Not only is this comment terribly bad-natured, but it is also un-Christian. How could Fr. Nicholson not know that Voris had a gαy past? Did he never hear Voris' confession? Surely he did. How could he so completely disown someone he used to support so much. It's completely duplicitous.

But also, Fr. Nicholson is quite wrong in his accusations. Accusing Voris of gαy culture? CMTV is a Catholic organization that has done nothing but to push for the exposure of corruption in the Church. Surviving "on poorly formed Catholics?" Only the poorest formed Catholic could fail to see through this murky behavior. And even if Michael Voris was spiritually deformed because of his past life--why in the Hell did Fr. Paul Nicholson go along with the CMTV operation in the first place, and why would he be disparaging this deformed person so publicly, rather than helping Voris to heal, and encouraging him in the Catholic Faith?

Finally, Fr. Nicholson states the following for his followers:

To save us all a lot trouble, let me say that I am more than happy to have anyone unfriend me who thinks that you can serve the Church by using: Rage (impersonating holy anger), Sarcasm, Gossip, Shame. These tactics belong to the world. These are not instruments that Catholics can use to reform the Church. The sɛҳuąƖ revolution has ruined all of us. We are all loaded with self-hatred. That is why we need to try to be good children of God. That is why we must try to be Christian. The gαy culture lives off of rage, sarcasm, gossip and shame. The gαy culture destroys dioceses, religious orders, even noble attempts to serve the Church. I am done with the gαy culture impersonating service to the Church.  Done. Absolutely done.  Unfriend me so we can go our separate ways. I am done catering to this pathology.

Amazing. Am I the only one seeing this? Fr. Nicholson is already guilty of three of these. He is raging against the repentant Voris, gossiping about his past unnecessarily, and he is attempting to shame him. Michael Voris is a repentant man. The clergy that CMTV goes after is still in the middle of their corruption, still doing damage, still leading souls away from the Church, and still unrepentant. These worldly tactics are being employed by the world...and by Fr. Nicholson.

And he says, "I am done with the gαy culture impersonating service to the Church." This is a false accusation. CMTV is not gαy culture. It is against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, and it is exposing sodomy and many other corruptions within the Church hierarchy. He is fishing for a conflict where no conflict exists. Perhaps Father is just caught up in the type of thinking that says: Oh! Voris was a queer! He thinks like a queer! He always will! And the whole damned CMTV studio thinks like queers! That is how Fr. Paul Nicholson is sounding here. He sounds like a reactionary, not a spiritual leader.  I can only shake my head in disappointment. Watching this spectacle from him is worse than watching Fr. Dwight Longnecker's Trad bashing.

I appreciate it when a priest comes out and states that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is evil.  But this is wrong, wrong, wrong.  Michael Voris is a repentant man.  There's plenty of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ enemies of the Church, and Voris is not one of them.  Even if he is struggling with some sort of addiction, it's none of our business, and it is clear that he is trying to serve the Church in spite of his personal battles with sin.  A lot of us try to serve God despite our sins.

Today, I support Michael Voris and ChurchMilitantTV.  I take the Michael Matt approach of The Remnant, and I extend my hand out in friendship towards them, pointing to that organization as an example of good resistance against the evils engorging on a weakened Church on Earth.  CMTV has been difficult and wrong on occasion.  But they are also allies of a type.  

If anything, Michael Voris' latest testimony only strengthens his character and makes him more of a leading figure in the Catholic world than ever before.  People will see through the various shallow attempts to smear him, and they will only appreciate him more.  I have viewed the video of his testimony, and I am moved greatly.  Indeed, with God, all things are possible.  I am thankful that God has a servant such as Michael Voris--for his sake and all of ours.  With any luck, the next time Voris comes to Tulsa, perhaps I could meet the guy.

So, again, today I stand by CMTV and Michael Voris.  I do this, even if it is true that they will never stand by me, The Remnant, Louie Verrecchio, Steve Skojec the badass, Hilary White, Ann Barnhardt, or the SSPX--the Society, who has been fighting all this time for our Church since shortly after Vatican II.  It's a one-sided kind of affection, but it's usually that way when you're a Christian.



UPDATE:  As of now, Fr. Paul Nicholson has unfriended me on Facebook.  This, because about half an hour ago, I kindly told him that it's strange that he should be talking about people "going our separate ways," when he's the one who is our spiritual father, and that we are supposed to be looking up to him.  Instead, he's only keeping around those Facebook posters who praise him.  Such behavior is not leadership, and it is not masculine.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 22, 2016, 07:11:52 AM
I have a Catholic family member who believes I should be punished for sins I committed prior to my baptism.  This person reveals my previous sins to others as it benefits her.  So I have to beat her to the punch to knock the wind out of her sails.

I empathize with Voris even though I can't stand his hairstyle.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: TKGS on April 22, 2016, 08:30:05 AM
Quote from: TKGS
Interesting video.  Frankly, this video makes everything Voris says about the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who have infested the Conciliar church even more credible.


I said this because his revelation shows that Voris knows, first hand all the evils of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and that lifestyle.  He is not merely guessing or making assumptions based on what he's seen on popular media as I would have to do.  

Whoever gave me the thumbs down on that post obviously doesn't think that his credibility on this issue is enhanced due to his personal experience.  I can only conclude that whoever gave that thumbs down is, himself, a raving sodomite.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 22, 2016, 08:41:04 AM
Called it!

http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?a=topic&t=35608&min=9&num=3

Here's a closeted ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ who for years pretended to be traditional before doing a 180 on the SSPX and anyone else who criticizes Pope Francis in time for the previous two synods of the family. Francis drops the AL bomb and Voris "comes out" as a reformed gαy man two weeks later.

I view this as a very controlled release. He will get more attention and pity from the Catholic "masses" and he will serve as a living example of how we are not to judge ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.

He's a plaything of the Elite whose attempts at infiltrating and smearing the traditional Latin Mass movement is obvious to the point of embarrassment.

So let's add him officially to the list of stealth sodomites:

Fgt. Steven Fisher (covered by CMTV accidently on purpose)
http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/uk-priest-goes-gαy

Fgt. Carl Marucci
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?=topic&t=39950&min=0&num=3

"Father" (for now) Timothy Radcliffe
http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/breaking-pope-appoints-fr.-timothy-radcliffe-consultor-for-pontifical-counc

Fgt. Krzystof Charamsa (media darling!)
http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Blog/4244/news_of_ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ_priest_surprises_angers_catholics_in_his_polish_homeland.aspx

and now the noble lay-gαy militant Voris.

Bravo Francis! May the forces of the eclipse smile down upon you!
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: TKGS on April 22, 2016, 09:06:23 AM
Quote from: Croixalist
Called it!


You should have said, "BAM!"
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 22, 2016, 09:08:51 AM
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
A damn shame about what they're doing to Voris.  Fr. Paul Nicholson's behavior is atrocious.  

I will continue to like or disdain CMTV based on what they say, not on some clandestine sinful past that their staff is trying to put behind them after conversion.  

My words on the CMTV Facebook thread about this:

Quote
[C]aution in this matter is rare and admirable. On the one hand, we have to take CMTV's word that the archdiocese was out to get him. But on the other hand, Voris had to beat them to the punch. Add to that the fact that Voris' testimony surely was not easy, and also add Fr. Nicholson's latest petty maneuver--and it begins, a little, to seem legit. Either way, I support Voris in this matter, even though I'm positive CMTV will NOT extend a friendly hand towards my "Toxic Trad" circles. And I will continue to either enjoy or disdain CMTV based on WHAT THEY SAY, and not because of something Voris did in his past. Good luck with those back stabbers, Voris.


Fr Nicholson behaves true to character. A commenter on his nasty response to the passing of Fr Kramer called him a 'disgrace to the priesthood' for implying Fr Kramer was in Hell. He was at one point so closely associated with CMTV that he got in trouble over it. I think there's something other than this revelation behind the break. Given his response to the death of Fr Kramer and his silly, lisping squeaky voiced Youtube videos, he cannot be taken seriously. His lisp is the biggest gαy stereotype in existence, but to keep to reality, Fr Nicholson has shown himself to be deeply petty, which in any man is unmanly, but is particularly unbecoming in a priest.

Related to this, Michael Voris would not have been pressured by the Archdiocese if he was an unrepentant ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ who thought V2 was fabulous.

Hopefully the foolish statements about the SSPX will end. No one has a hold on him now.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 22, 2016, 09:46:14 AM
I am so sick of this sodomite garbage.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 22, 2016, 09:58:14 AM
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
A damn shame about what they're doing to Voris.  Fr. Paul Nicholson's behavior is atrocious.  

I will continue to like or disdain CMTV based on what they say, not on some clandestine sinful past that their staff is trying to put behind them after conversion.  

My words on the CMTV Facebook thread about this:

Quote
[C]aution in this matter is rare and admirable. On the one hand, we have to take CMTV's word that the archdiocese was out to get him. But on the other hand, Voris had to beat them to the punch. Add to that the fact that Voris' testimony surely was not easy, and also add Fr. Nicholson's latest petty maneuver--and it begins, a little, to seem legit. Either way, I support Voris in this matter, even though I'm positive CMTV will NOT extend a friendly hand towards my "Toxic Trad" circles. And I will continue to either enjoy or disdain CMTV based on WHAT THEY SAY, and not because of something Voris did in his past. Good luck with those back stabbers, Voris.


Fr Nicholson behaves true to character. A commenter on his nasty response to the passing of Fr Kramer called him a 'disgrace to the priesthood' for implying Fr Kramer was in Hell. He was at one point so closely associated with CMTV that he got in trouble over it. I think there's something other than this revelation behind the break. Given his response to the death of Fr Kramer and his silly, lisping squeaky voiced Youtube videos, he cannot be taken seriously. His lisp is the biggest gαy stereotype in existence, but to keep to reality, Fr Nicholson has shown himself to be deeply petty, which in any man is unmanly, but is particularly unbecoming in a priest.

Related to this, Michael Voris would not have been pressured by the Archdiocese if he was an unrepentant ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ who thought V2 was fabulous.

Hopefully the foolish statements about the SSPX will end. No one has a hold on him now.


Do you mean Fr Gruner?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: TKGS on April 22, 2016, 10:00:41 AM
Having never heard (or, at least, not remembering) of Fr. Paul Nicholson before and he being referenced here, I just looked him up on youtube (since his quote said something about a "daily video" I figured it had to be on youtube).  

Honestly, did anyone actually take him seriously?  
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Neil Obstat on April 22, 2016, 12:11:29 PM
Quote from: Guest
I am so sick of this sodomite garbage.

Well, then, you shouldn't be reading this thread!               :barf:

.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: cassini on April 22, 2016, 12:33:39 PM
I wondered if this confession would find its way onto Catholic websites. It did. So much for the privacy of the confessional. Then again I suppose it had to.

Any who have been a watcher of Voris will of course be shocked, first by the confession, second because of the reason, and third that anyone in the public eye should have to spell out his past sins.

Why not even St Augustine had to list off his sins. I wonder if he did would he have been revered as he is? God surely will find it hard to forgive those who forced Voris into such a humiliating situation.

Imagine if we all had to so what Voris did? God I even have big trouble telling my sins to a priest in the confession box. I often wondered why one has to detail them to a priest instead of saying which commandment we broke. Surely God knows them, so the priest could forgive them without details.

I agree with those above, I do not agree with all Voris's own judgements on the likes of the SSPX for example, but I admired his stand on many other subjects.

Please God Voris can come to terms with what he had to do and continues his apostolate.

 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.                                          
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Alexandria on April 22, 2016, 12:44:56 PM
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
I Support Michael Voris Today

Though ChurchMilitantTV has been at odds with Traditional Catholics in my circles for the last year, I find myself backing them and Michael Voris today.

According to CMTV, the archdiocese of New York is planning a smear campaign against Michael Voris by revealing his sinful past before his conversion into Catholicism.  If true, this is a wretched and terrible thing for the archdiocese to do.  According to CMTV, calumny was being spread about Voris at the Dunwoodie seminary, and that a campaign was to begin which would attempt to tarnish his name.

This scheme has forced Michael Voris' hand, causing him to strike first and reveal his sinful past for millions of viewers online.  I will not even link to this CMTV Voris episode, as it is unfortunate and unnecessary for Voris to have to qualify himself in such a humiliating manner.

Voris does not have to qualify himself for me or any other Traditionalist Catholic.  A sinful past is past.  It is wrong for anyone to try to dredge up something on a repentant man in order to do damage to his reputation.  Voris, for all appearances, has a clean life and is full of zeal.  Anyone can see that.

Now, Voris and CMTV have said some nasty things about Traditionalist Catholics.  They muzzle anyone who criticizes Pope Francis, and they're quite wrong about the Society of Saint Pius X.  However, their organization has done a lot of good as well.  Exposing corrupt clergy has been a great help for the common laity.  CMTV has done great service for regular people who hold no authority over anything.  Time and again, Voris and company have exposed wicked things going on within the Church hierarchy, and for this we shall forever be grateful.

However, if I and others are to take issue with Michael Voris or CMTV, it is because of what they say, not what they may have done in the past.  If Voris, Niles, or any one of them over at CMTV goes off on another tear about how people attending SSPX Mass are more wicked than satanists, then they are completely wrong and deserve to be called out.  However, let it not be denied that they also hit the nail right on the head on other issues.  They are a mixed bag, so I say: accept that.

Speaking of comparing SSPX to satanists, CMTV's buddy, Father Paul Nicholson has decided to do a 180 on Voris and friends, and to COMPLETELY DISOWN THEM.

First, there was this:

Dear friends; I apologize for not providing you with a daily video, and this may be for a while. I have ceased doing business with the company that provided the platform. While my future is uncertain, I entrust myself to the Providential goodness of God the Father. If you could, in your kindness continue your financial support during this adventure, I would be most appreciative. God reward you! Fr. Paul Nicholson

So, okay. He's disowning CMTV here. Then, he goes along to stab his former colleague in the back. Fr. Paul Nicholson, a public figure and a leader who we address as "Father," acts petty, and attributes some of the worst stereotypical characteristics to Michael Voris. He does this in the manner of a backbiting, gossiping, high school cheerleader who's putting down her competition on the team:

Those who are the most ardent fault finders are those who suffer from a deep self-hatred. ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts produces in an individual such self-loathing that it not surprising that the gαy culture manifests itself in attacking with hostility. Unwittingly the culture of the Internet is dominated by this gαy culture ... And today, many Catholics are so deformed that they have succuмbed to it. That is why there are groups and individuals who can make a living off of bashing bishops. They survive on poorly formed Catholics. Do not follow or listen to anyone who bashes the sacred hierarchy. It is an evident sign they experience self-loathing. Even if the person has repented of deep sɛҳuąƖ sins in their past, human nature will be infected by those sins. It can happen therefore that the prodigal son can turn into the elder brother. Have nothing to do with these forms of "apostolate".

Not only is this comment terribly bad-natured, but it is also un-Christian. How could Fr. Nicholson not know that Voris had a gαy past? Did he never hear Voris' confession? Surely he did. How could he so completely disown someone he used to support so much. It's completely duplicitous.

But also, Fr. Nicholson is quite wrong in his accusations. Accusing Voris of gαy culture? CMTV is a Catholic organization that has done nothing but to push for the exposure of corruption in the Church. Surviving "on poorly formed Catholics?" Only the poorest formed Catholic could fail to see through this murky behavior. And even if Michael Voris was spiritually deformed because of his past life--why in the Hell did Fr. Paul Nicholson go along with the CMTV operation in the first place, and why would he be disparaging this deformed person so publicly, rather than helping Voris to heal, and encouraging him in the Catholic Faith?

Finally, Fr. Nicholson states the following for his followers:

To save us all a lot trouble, let me say that I am more than happy to have anyone unfriend me who thinks that you can serve the Church by using: Rage (impersonating holy anger), Sarcasm, Gossip, Shame. These tactics belong to the world. These are not instruments that Catholics can use to reform the Church. The sɛҳuąƖ revolution has ruined all of us. We are all loaded with self-hatred. That is why we need to try to be good children of God. That is why we must try to be Christian. The gαy culture lives off of rage, sarcasm, gossip and shame. The gαy culture destroys dioceses, religious orders, even noble attempts to serve the Church. I am done with the gαy culture impersonating service to the Church.  Done. Absolutely done.  Unfriend me so we can go our separate ways. I am done catering to this pathology.

Amazing. Am I the only one seeing this? Fr. Nicholson is already guilty of three of these. He is raging against the repentant Voris, gossiping about his past unnecessarily, and he is attempting to shame him. Michael Voris is a repentant man. The clergy that CMTV goes after is still in the middle of their corruption, still doing damage, still leading souls away from the Church, and still unrepentant. These worldly tactics are being employed by the world...and by Fr. Nicholson.

And he says, "I am done with the gαy culture impersonating service to the Church." This is a false accusation. CMTV is not gαy culture. It is against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, and it is exposing sodomy and many other corruptions within the Church hierarchy. He is fishing for a conflict where no conflict exists. Perhaps Father is just caught up in the type of thinking that says: Oh! Voris was a queer! He thinks like a queer! He always will! And the whole damned CMTV studio thinks like queers! That is how Fr. Paul Nicholson is sounding here. He sounds like a reactionary, not a spiritual leader.  I can only shake my head in disappointment. Watching this spectacle from him is worse than watching Fr. Dwight Longnecker's Trad bashing.

I appreciate it when a priest comes out and states that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is evil.  But this is wrong, wrong, wrong.  Michael Voris is a repentant man.  There's plenty of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ enemies of the Church, and Voris is not one of them.  Even if he is struggling with some sort of addiction, it's none of our business, and it is clear that he is trying to serve the Church in spite of his personal battles with sin.  A lot of us try to serve God despite our sins.

Today, I support Michael Voris and ChurchMilitantTV.  I take the Michael Matt approach of The Remnant, and I extend my hand out in friendship towards them, pointing to that organization as an example of good resistance against the evils engorging on a weakened Church on Earth.  CMTV has been difficult and wrong on occasion.  But they are also allies of a type.  

If anything, Michael Voris' latest testimony only strengthens his character and makes him more of a leading figure in the Catholic world than ever before.  People will see through the various shallow attempts to smear him, and they will only appreciate him more.  I have viewed the video of his testimony, and I am moved greatly.  Indeed, with God, all things are possible.  I am thankful that God has a servant such as Michael Voris--for his sake and all of ours.  With any luck, the next time Voris comes to Tulsa, perhaps I could meet the guy.

So, again, today I stand by CMTV and Michael Voris.  I do this, even if it is true that they will never stand by me, The Remnant, Louie Verrecchio, Steve Skojec the badass, Hilary White, Ann Barnhardt, or the SSPX--the Society, who has been fighting all this time for our Church since shortly after Vatican II.  It's a one-sided kind of affection, but it's usually that way when you're a Christian.



UPDATE:  As of now, Fr. Paul Nicholson has unfriended me on Facebook.  This, because about half an hour ago, I kindly told him that it's strange that he should be talking about people "going our separate ways," when he's the one who is our spiritual father, and that we are supposed to be looking up to him.  Instead, he's only keeping around those Facebook posters who praise him.  Such behavior is not leadership, and it is not masculine.


Ah, yes.   Now this makes sense.   I read that interview on CM with the higher-up in the Archdiocese of New York.  Very revealing, and not very flattering.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Alexandria on April 22, 2016, 12:46:32 PM
Quote from: cassini
I wondered if this confession would find its way onto Catholic websites. It did. So much for the privacy of the confessional. Then again I suppose it had to.

Any who have been a watcher of Voris will of course be shocked, first by the confession, second because of the reason, and third that anyone in the public eye should have to spell out his past sins.

Why not even St Augustine had to list off his sins. I wonder if he did would he have been revered as he is? God surely will find it hard to forgive those who forced Voris into such a humiliating situation.

Imagine if we all had to so what Voris did? God I even have big trouble telling my sins to a priest in the confession box. I often wondered why one has to detail them to a priest instead of saying which commandment we broke. Surely God knows them, so the priest could forgive them without details.

I agree with those above, I do not agree with all Voris's own judgements on the likes of the SSPX for example, but I admired his stand on many other subjects.

Please God Voris can come to terms with what he had to do and continues his apostolate.

 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.                                          


 :applause: :applause: :applause:

Very well said, Cassini, and very true.  

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 22, 2016, 01:27:19 PM
Not only sodomites but I'm sick of straight men who use pornography and try to coax their wives into cooperating with their perversions.  God bless the valiant Catholic women who refuse to bow to false obedience to the sɛҳuąƖ sins of men!
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: TKGS on April 22, 2016, 02:22:12 PM
Quote from: cassini
So much for the privacy of the confessional.


I seem to have missed this.  Where has there been any suggestion that the seal of the confessional has been breached?  His past sinful actions were public and he said as much.  The NY Archdiocese seems to have been conducting an investigation of Voris which would include interviewing people who have known him as well as obtaining public records.  If the archdiocese was really getting ready to "out" Voris, then they likely spent a lot of money--that's money donated by people in the pews--to do so, and the purpose of this is clearly to attempt to destroy the credibility of one who is accusing the archdiocese of financial as well as moral corruption.  This itself is another corrupt practice.

There are enough problems Conciliarism.  So far, breaching the seal of confession seems to have largely not been one of them.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 22, 2016, 02:52:45 PM
Quote
There are enough problems Conciliarism.  So far, breaching the seal of confession seems to have largely not been one of them.

Yeah, otherwise, Nancy Peℓσѕι's and Joe Biden's dirty laundry would be headline Enquirer news.

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: cassini on April 22, 2016, 02:58:57 PM
Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: cassini
So much for the privacy of the confessional.


I seem to have missed this.  Where has there been any suggestion that the seal of the confessional has been breached?  His past sinful actions were public and he said as much.  The NY Archdiocese seems to have been conducting an investigation of Voris which would include interviewing people who have known him as well as obtaining public records.  If the archdiocese was really getting ready to "out" Voris, then they likely spent a lot of money--that's money donated by people in the pews--to do so, and the purpose of this is clearly to attempt to destroy the credibility of one who is accusing the archdiocese of financial as well as moral corruption.  This itself is another corrupt practice.

There are enough problems Conciliarism.  So far, breaching the seal of confession seems to have largely not been one of them.


I meant that metaphorically TKGS, as applicable to us, not a priest the NY diocese. When I opened up this video I felt Voris was confessing to each one of us individually, just as one would confess to a priest. Somehow that law of the Church with regard to the sanctity of priestly confessions came over me and instinctively I felt bound to silence for my part.

Given another posted the confession I was glad of the opportunity to say what I did. Indeed my wife who also received his message cried at his bravery. He could so easily have thrown in the towel and sneaked off into oblivion. How many of us would have had such courage and faith in our understanding of Catholic forgiveness?  
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 22, 2016, 03:43:15 PM
Question?  Is Voris Indult? Is he of a dioceses?  Is his confession with or without Precious Blood?

Maybe he is out of the closet, for the "year of mercy"?  Wow! what a great idea!
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Nadir on April 22, 2016, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: Guest
Question?  Is Voris Indult? Is he of a dioceses?  Is his confession with or without Precious Blood?

Maybe he is out of the closet, for the "year of mercy"?  Wow! what a great idea!


That was very cynical and harsh, Songbird.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 22, 2016, 05:12:01 PM
Quote from: Guest
Question?  Is Voris Indult? Is he of a dioceses?  Is his confession with or without Precious Blood?

Maybe he is out of the closet, for the "year of mercy"?  Wow! what a great idea!


Watch how many will fall over themselves to protect him now that he claims he's a "repentant". They will refuse to see the bigger picture here.

Quote from: Voris
I have never made a secret that my life prior to my reversion was extremely sinful.


Extreme? That wasn't his line when he first arrived on the scene. Another interesting difference here is that he used to include his brother's death in his "reversion." No mention of him in his new revised standard edition story!

Quote from: Wikipedia
Voris cites the death of his brother from a heart attack in 2003, followed by his mother dying from stomach cancer in 2004 as the events that moved him to go from being "a lukewarm * Catholic, someone who usually just went through the motions at church" to an "aggressive global advocate for conservative Catholics... on a burning mission to save Catholicism and America by trying to warn the public about what he sees as a decline of morality in society."


*Flaming ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ! Just going through the motions here!

He's a liar and he will continue to lie as long as people give him a stage.

Quote
Whatever the matter, I will now reveal that for most of my years in my thirties, confused about my own sɛҳuąƖity, I lived a life of live-in relationships with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men. From the outside, I lived the lifestyle and contributed to scandal in addition to the sɛҳuąƖ sins. On the inside, I was deeply conflicted about all of it. In a large portion of my twenties, I also had frequent sɛҳuąƖ liaisons with both adult men and adult women.

These are the sins of my past life in this area which are all now publicly admitted and owned by me. That was before my reversion to the Faith.

Since my reversion, I abhor all these sins, especially in the world of the many many other sins I have committed having nothing to do with sɛҳuąƖity. I gave in to deep pains from my youth by seeking solace in lust, and in the process, surrendered my masculinity.

Many of you know the story of my mother's prayers and sacrifices and pleading to God on my behalf that I give up my sinful life and return home to the Church. As a last resort, she prayed to be given whatever suffering needed so that I would be granted sufficient grace to revert. It was shortly after that prayer that her very early stage stomach cancer was detected, which she died from a few years later.

During the last year of her life, I began to change by beginning to frequent the sacraments more often. When my mom died, I pledged at her coffin that I would change. I said, "Mom, what you went through for me, you will not have gone through in vain." I returned fully and completely to the Faith and close to two years later, I began this apostolate.


Working off the trusty old St. Augustine template of converted sinner with saintly mother. Notice the lack of introspection or thought process here. He states his mother prayed for him and died, then he just goes back to the Church and the Faith "completely"... all while still attending NO masses of course!

Remember that it was only since his miraculous "reversion" and not before, did he abhor those sins. I don't think this even begins to cover it for a man so completely under the sway of the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyle through his entire young adult life; he would have been around 44 years old(!) at the time of his mother's death.

Nope, all of this is a ruse to keep him in the mix toward the ongoing acceptance of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.


 

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: PG on April 22, 2016, 06:07:30 PM
I think that Croixalist has an argument, and I am tempted to agree with him.  But, I just don't know enough about voris' public history to judge.  I would have to watch his suspect anti tradition/truth episodes to try to get a read on him.  Does anyone have any recommendations?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 22, 2016, 06:39:26 PM
Quote from: Croixalist
Quote from: Guest
Question?  Is Voris Indult? Is he of a dioceses?  Is his confession with or without Precious Blood?

Maybe he is out of the closet, for the "year of mercy"?  Wow! what a great idea!


Watch how many will fall over themselves to protect him now that he claims he's a "repentant". They will refuse to see the bigger picture here.

Quote from: Voris
I have never made a secret that my life prior to my reversion was extremely sinful.


Extreme? That wasn't his line when he first arrived on the scene. Another interesting difference here is that he used to include his brother's death in his "reversion." No mention of him in his new revised standard edition story!

Quote from: Wikipedia
Voris cites the death of his brother from a heart attack in 2003, followed by his mother dying from stomach cancer in 2004 as the events that moved him to go from being "a lukewarm * Catholic, someone who usually just went through the motions at church" to an "aggressive global advocate for conservative Catholics... on a burning mission to save Catholicism and America by trying to warn the public about what he sees as a decline of morality in society."


*Flaming ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ! Just going through the motions here!

He's a liar and he will continue to lie as long as people give him a stage.

Quote
Whatever the matter, I will now reveal that for most of my years in my thirties, confused about my own sɛҳuąƖity, I lived a life of live-in relationships with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men. From the outside, I lived the lifestyle and contributed to scandal in addition to the sɛҳuąƖ sins. On the inside, I was deeply conflicted about all of it. In a large portion of my twenties, I also had frequent sɛҳuąƖ liaisons with both adult men and adult women.

These are the sins of my past life in this area which are all now publicly admitted and owned by me. That was before my reversion to the Faith.

Since my reversion, I abhor all these sins, especially in the world of the many many other sins I have committed having nothing to do with sɛҳuąƖity. I gave in to deep pains from my youth by seeking solace in lust, and in the process, surrendered my masculinity.

Many of you know the story of my mother's prayers and sacrifices and pleading to God on my behalf that I give up my sinful life and return home to the Church. As a last resort, she prayed to be given whatever suffering needed so that I would be granted sufficient grace to revert. It was shortly after that prayer that her very early stage stomach cancer was detected, which she died from a few years later.

During the last year of her life, I began to change by beginning to frequent the sacraments more often. When my mom died, I pledged at her coffin that I would change. I said, "Mom, what you went through for me, you will not have gone through in vain." I returned fully and completely to the Faith and close to two years later, I began this apostolate.


Working off the trusty old St. Augustine template of converted sinner with saintly mother. Notice the lack of introspection or thought process here. He states his mother prayed for him and died, then he just goes back to the Church and the Faith "completely"... all while still attending NO masses of course!

Remember that it was only since his miraculous "reversion" and not before, did he abhor those sins. I don't think this even begins to cover it for a man so completely under the sway of the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyle through his entire young adult life; he would have been around 44 years old(!) at the time of his mother's death.

Nope, all of this is a ruse to keep him in the mix toward the ongoing acceptance of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.


 



On second thought, you may be right
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 22, 2016, 07:22:36 PM
Quote from: PG
I think that Croixalist has an argument, and I am tempted to agree with him.  But, I just don't know enough about voris' public history to judge.  I would have to watch his suspect anti tradition/truth episodes to try to get a read on him.  Does anyone have any recommendations?


"Tempted" is an apt choice of words and I'm sharing those feelings. Obviously this was an "elephant in the room" for him. Many of his viewers will feel he should have shared an idea of this even though he's been repentant but especially because snippets of his backstory and father have been shared along the way.

His past is not relevant but apparently is thus causing a current scandal and CMtv shutting down for the week. So many of the problems in the church have been caused by sodomy. He has succuмbed to this vice and left it. Proponents of sodomy say you can never leave it, only hide and accept it. He could have been a beacon of hope. Given perspective of how to undo the damage rather than expose and complain.

 :facepalm:
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 22, 2016, 10:04:30 PM
Quote from: Croixalist
Quote from: Guest
Question?  Is Voris Indult? Is he of a dioceses?  Is his confession with or without Precious Blood?

Maybe he is out of the closet, for the "year of mercy"?  Wow! what a great idea!


Watch how many will fall over themselves to protect him now that he claims he's a "repentant". They will refuse to see the bigger picture here.

Quote from: Voris
I have never made a secret that my life prior to my reversion was extremely sinful.


Extreme? That wasn't his line when he first arrived on the scene. Another interesting difference here is that he used to include his brother's death in his "reversion." No mention of him in his new revised standard edition story!

Quote from: Wikipedia
Voris cites the death of his brother from a heart attack in 2003, followed by his mother dying from stomach cancer in 2004 as the events that moved him to go from being "a lukewarm * Catholic, someone who usually just went through the motions at church" to an "aggressive global advocate for conservative Catholics... on a burning mission to save Catholicism and America by trying to warn the public about what he sees as a decline of morality in society."


*Flaming ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ! Just going through the motions here!

He's a liar and he will continue to lie as long as people give him a stage.

Quote
Whatever the matter, I will now reveal that for most of my years in my thirties, confused about my own sɛҳuąƖity, I lived a life of live-in relationships with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men. From the outside, I lived the lifestyle and contributed to scandal in addition to the sɛҳuąƖ sins. On the inside, I was deeply conflicted about all of it. In a large portion of my twenties, I also had frequent sɛҳuąƖ liaisons with both adult men and adult women.

These are the sins of my past life in this area which are all now publicly admitted and owned by me. That was before my reversion to the Faith.

Since my reversion, I abhor all these sins, especially in the world of the many many other sins I have committed having nothing to do with sɛҳuąƖity. I gave in to deep pains from my youth by seeking solace in lust, and in the process, surrendered my masculinity.

Many of you know the story of my mother's prayers and sacrifices and pleading to God on my behalf that I give up my sinful life and return home to the Church. As a last resort, she prayed to be given whatever suffering needed so that I would be granted sufficient grace to revert. It was shortly after that prayer that her very early stage stomach cancer was detected, which she died from a few years later.

During the last year of her life, I began to change by beginning to frequent the sacraments more often. When my mom died, I pledged at her coffin that I would change. I said, "Mom, what you went through for me, you will not have gone through in vain." I returned fully and completely to the Faith and close to two years later, I began this apostolate.


Working off the trusty old St. Augustine template of converted sinner with saintly mother. Notice the lack of introspection or thought process here. He states his mother prayed for him and died, then he just goes back to the Church and the Faith "completely"... all while still attending NO masses of course!

Remember that it was only since his miraculous "reversion" and not before, did he abhor those sins. I don't think this even begins to cover it for a man so completely under the sway of the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyle through his entire young adult life; he would have been around 44 years old(!) at the time of his mother's death.

Nope, all of this is a ruse to keep him in the mix toward the ongoing acceptance of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.


 



To this it should be added that two years! He said two years after repenting he became a conservative celebrity. He had barely even stepped out of that lifestyle and suddenly he is an expert on Catholicsm. No way Jose!
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 07:28:11 AM
Would he have been allowed to rise to fame so quickly if he weren't a sod?  I believe the answer is a resounding NO.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 07:36:07 AM
He's probably going to act like this is behind him and continue to do the same ol same ol.

But I'm done with him.

It's scandal and deception. I want no part of it.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 08:30:02 AM
Quote from: Nadir
My thoughts revolve around why you chose to publish another's confessed sins anonymously.


I agree with you Nadir.   We are all sinners making reparations for our past sins.  
I thought  so because he is now living a celibate life instead of getting married to a woman.  And the pink ties.
He also would defend Courage.  It was sad that his spiritual director ditched him when he really needed him.   We need to pray for Michael Voris.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 10:23:14 AM
I would like to first issue a disclaimer to say I am not a fan of Voris, or his attacks on Traditionalists, or his indefensible position on Bergoglio, etc.

However, I will say that everything he wrote regarding his past life and his reversion to the Faith is very beautiful. His mother paid a great price in her suffering and sacrifice for him.

I had long suspected he may be a closeted ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ as something appeared "off" to me in certain of his mannerisms and dress that are indicative of that lifestyle.


But, it is really quite a risk and courageous to come out and admit that truth on his part, and I think he is owed some credit for that.

We should pray for him and pray for his continued perserverance in his battle with that horrible vice.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 10:43:50 AM
Quote from: Guest

Fr Nicholson behaves true to character. A commenter on his nasty response to the passing of Fr Kramer called him a 'disgrace to the priesthood' for implying Fr Kramer was in Hell. He was at one point so closely associated with CMTV that he got in trouble over it.

I think there's something other than this revelation behind the break. Given his response to the death of Fr Kramer and his silly, lisping squeaky voiced Youtube videos, he cannot be taken seriously. His lisp is the biggest gαy stereotype in existence, but to keep to reality, Fr Nicholson has shown himself to be deeply petty, which in any man is unmanly, but is particularly unbecoming in a priest.



I wonder if Fr. Nicholson himself is a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and is worried Voris will start naming names, since he would clearly be aware of which priests are gαy.

Then again, there are so, so MANY gαy priests in the Novus Ordo, you almost have to start from a positioning of assuming they are gαy.

In TradCatKnight's post here, his caption says "Birds of a feather flock together" but maybe the kind of "birds" they were wasn't really about heresy so much as it was about ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.

http://tradcatknight.blogspot.com/2015/09/fr-paul-nicholson-cowardly-modernist.html
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 12:54:49 PM
Father Kramer is dead?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 12:57:23 PM
Fr Nicholson is very flamboyant and is starting over in southbend. Indiana.  
If he is a missionary priest from Canada, why doesn't he go back.  
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 01:14:46 PM
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[*In his call for a New Evangelization, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI states that “we are searching for . . . a new evangelization, capable of being heard by that world that does not find access to 'classic' evangelization. . . . This is why we are obliged to look for new ways of bringing the Gospel to all.” Modern social communications are “marvels of technology which God has destined human genius to discover” (Inter Mirifica) and can be used for great good as well as great evil.]

LIVING
Because the work of discernment is accomplished both privately and in community, all candidates will live in the same house, which will be provided in exchange for their commitment to work. All other expenses incurred during the year are the responsibility of the candidate.

It is anticipated that transportation is the responsibility of the candidate, as well as car insurance and health insurance.  

[It is very important to consider at this point that the PAUSE program, while having a very heavy work aspect to it, is not primarily a job for a year.  It is an opportunity to discern how one can best spend his life in service to the Church.]
 
Discerners will live in close contact with laymen who have dedicated themselves to apostolic celibacy at the service of the apostolate and at the service of Holy Mother Church.  

PRIESTLY ASSISTANCE
While the program is a lay initiative, discerners will be able to draw upon the pastoral care of priests who understand the Church's current struggles and are completely in conformity and juridical unity with the Roman Pontiff.   These priests will be deeply involved and available for spiritual guidance and direction, Mass, and confession. Saint Michael’s Media is very committed to a holy priesthood and abundantly hopes many candidates will recognize a vocation to the priesthood in their own circuмstances.

THE CANDIDATE
Each candidate will be given the tools to grow in both love and understanding of his faith through means of prayer, study, work, and community life.  The results for each participant will be determined by his personal motivation, beginning with a strong desire to learn and discern.

Requirements for well-suited candidates include:

a strong willingness to invest time and explore one's current life circuмstances
a recognition that the Church needs exceptional commitments in these exceptional times
a strong desire to engage in the work of the New Evangelization
an expressed interest in media production, research, or public relations
an eagerness to embrace the joys and challenges of communal life

Applications will open Holy Week 2015 and will close Friday, June 5, 2015.

Application Process:
Phase I:
Initial online application/Inquiry (basic info/demographics/questionnaire)
Objective Statement / Submission of a simple video (Why am I interested? (100 words; 2 minutes)
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 01:18:18 PM
Per st michaels media:  "so with that in mind, in a desire to keep potential and foreseeable problems to a minimum, we think it best to keep the number low as well as restricted to a single gender.  This makes potential problem areas more manageable.

So based on four men, working at the studios and sharing a house, with each receiving a weekly stipend of $100 for food, we calculate the following program costs—first the initial start-up costs, and then the monthly maintenance costs.

START-UP
Editing equipment -- $30,000
Four high-powered computer edit stations, equipped with state-of-the-art editing software, plus desks/chairs, printers, phones, etc....."



Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 01:30:02 PM
Wouldn't that be temptation?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 01:30:21 PM
Quote from: Guest
Would he have been allowed to rise to fame so quickly if he weren't a sod?  I believe the answer is a resounding NO.


I wonder if the sodomite network helped him. The repentant sodomite is common genre, and I'm sure a lot admire his acting.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 01:32:38 PM
Why so many lesbians and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in the Church?

Year of Mercy for the Church by excommunicating all of the sodomists, liars, theives.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 01:35:35 PM
I look at many newly converted "Catholics" and they are making money by selling books and giving talks for money.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 01:37:33 PM
And most of them are always travelling to exotic places too and who pays for it???
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 01:42:46 PM
The more I think about things....

May God help and protect us....

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 01:45:49 PM
Quote from: Guest
Per st michaels media:  "so with that in mind, in a desire to keep potential and foreseeable problems to a minimum, we think it best to keep the number low as well as restricted to a single gender.  This makes potential problem areas more manageable.

So based on four men, working at the studios and sharing a house, with each receiving a weekly stipend of $100 for food, we calculate the following program costs—first the initial start-up costs, and then the monthly maintenance costs.

START-UP
Editing equipment -- $30,000
Four high-powered computer edit stations, equipped with state-of-the-art editing software, plus desks/chairs, printers, phones, etc....."





 :scratchchin:

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 01:55:48 PM
SIMON RAFE
Simon Rafe is Executive Producer of Premium content for ChurchMilitant.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 01:58:27 PM
"Voris was equally surprised by evidence showing that his staff apologist and program host Simon Rafe – who is the webmaster at St. Michael's Media, and co-authored its “Saint Michael's Basic Training” apologetics course – had also written the “adult” role-playing game “Castle Dracula,” and fan-fiction depicting ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in the Star Wars universe." Per cna
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 02:00:57 PM
Let's pray that they truly repent.  
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Alexandria on April 23, 2016, 02:18:12 PM
Quote from: Guest
"Voris was equally surprised by evidence showing that his staff apologist and program host Simon Rafe – who is the webmaster at St. Michael's Media, and co-authored its “Saint Michael's Basic Training” apologetics course – had also written the “adult” role-playing game “Castle Dracula,” and fan-fiction depicting ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in the Star Wars universe." Per cna

Please explain to me what the part I highlighted above means.  I don't keep up with trends and fads.  What is "Castle Dracula" and what is "fan-fiction"?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 02:51:22 PM
Until now, Voris has publicly smeared the SSPX with lies and has brazenly insulted the laity who attend SSPX masses. That right there raises a red flag. Voris is not trustworthy. This has nothing to do with his “past sins”, he repented, confessed (says he) it’s over. The issue is he publicly pointed the finger at the Archdiocese and made a video with 7000 hits in less 24 hours. Except for his ratings, nothing adds up.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Prayerful on April 23, 2016, 02:56:41 PM
Quote from: Guest
Until now, Voris has publicly smeared the SSPX with lies and has brazenly insulted the laity who attend SSPX masses. That right there raises a red flag. Voris is not trustworthy. This has nothing to do with his “past sins”, he repented, confessed (says he) it’s over. The issue is he publicly pointed the finger at the Archdiocese and made a video with 7000 hits in less 24 hours. Except for his ratings, nothing adds up.


His next SSPX related video will be of interest....
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 03:55:59 PM
I'd like to know, what calumny?
We only have one side to this story. If anything, the burden of proof is on Michael Voris. Not the accused.
On another note..
Anyone here know if Tony Spence and Michael Voris knew each other before Tony Spence made Editor-in-Chief of CNS? (Pre-2004)...
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Alexandria on April 23, 2016, 05:13:58 PM
Quote from: Guest
I'd like to know, what calumny?
We only have one side to this story. If anything, the burden of proof is on Michael Voris. Not the accused.
On another note..
Anyone here know if Tony Spence and Michael Voris knew each other before Tony Spence made Editor-in-Chief of CNS? (Pre-2004)...


I don't know much, if anything other than what I read here and there, about Michael Voris, so I wouldn't know what a friendship with Tony Spence (whoever he is  :thinking:) would have to do with anything.

Would you please explain?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Prayerful on April 23, 2016, 07:12:27 PM
The Archdiocese certainly deny any knowledge of a smear effort:

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/04/22/new-york-archdiocese-denies-allegation-that-it-sought-to-smear-michael-voris/

Also, comments closed, but this could be legally treacherous, and these days they only allow comment on opinion pieces, which this article is not. The Catholic Herald is a UK paper, now weekly, and would be more conservative than a lot of notable publications.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Nadir on April 23, 2016, 07:50:50 PM
Never believe anything until it has been officially denied!
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 08:49:36 PM
From Wiki:

Voris attended the University of Notre Dame, graduating in 1983 with a degree in communications with a focus on history in politics. He also attended two years of seminary training at St. Joseph's Seminary in New York during the 1980s.[3] Between 1983 and 1986 he became a television anchor, producer and reporter for various CBS affiliates in New York, Albany, Duluth and Cheyenne.[4] In 1989 he became a news reporter and producer for a Fox affiliate in Detroit, where he won four Emmy Awards for production between 1992 and 1996.[4]

In 1997 he began operation of an independent television production company called Concept Communication, LLC. This limited liability company was registered by co-owners Gary Michael Voris and John Fitzpatrick Mola with the State of Michigan on July 8, 1997.[5] Shortly thereafter on July 23, 1997, Voris and Mola registered a video with the US Copyright Office titled "Double Trouble".[6] The nature of the content of this video is not known as it does not appear to have been released publicly.



Double Trouble, 1997 (http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=153&ti=151,153&Search_Arg=double%20trouble&Search_Code=TALL&CNT=25&PID=SmyM_1xsKNsOlQNJ80RnonY9jPmI0v9&SEQ=20160423214712&SID=1)

Double trouble.

Type of Work:   Motion Picture
Registration Number / Date:   PA0000859824 / 1997-07-23
Title:   Double trouble.
Description:   Videocassette ; 1/2 in.
Copyright Claimant:   Gary Michael Voris & John Fitzgerald Mola
Date of Creation:   1997
Date of Publication:   1997-07-22
Names:   Voris, Gary Michael
Mola, John Fitzgerald
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 09:38:46 PM
Quote from: Prayerful
The Archdiocese certainly deny any knowledge of a smear effort:

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/04/22/new-york-archdiocese-denies-allegation-that-it-sought-to-smear-michael-voris/

Also, comments closed, but this could be legally treacherous, and these days they only allow comment on opinion pieces, which this article is not. The Catholic Herald is a UK paper, now weekly, and would be more conservative than a lot of notable publications.


This is sounding more and more like just sodomite propaganda.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 10:05:56 PM


Now I understand...



(http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/media/k2/items/cache/211520f6c4dff2679a31b5ccb6899176_XL.jpg)


The pinks ties...
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 23, 2016, 10:14:33 PM
The Voris Timeline:

1981-1991 Slept around with men and women. Hasn't ruled out animals.

1991-2001 "Confused" about sɛҳuąƖity, but sure enough to live with gαy men. Confused about how to split the rent probably.

2001-2004 Goes to Novus Ordo Mass but still sinning. Not yet abhoring sins against God and his own body.

2004-2006 Stops having sex with men after his mother's death. Decides to start his own traditionalist Catholic show and website complete with logo and tag line and thousands of dollars in equipment.. in Detroit.

2006-2013 Falsely presents himself as a formerly lukewarm Catholic, who just wants to defend the traditional Faith now.

-Snuggles up to every traditionalist personality he can get his hands on, culminating in his appearance at the 2013 Catholic Identity Conference. http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/09/catholic-identity-conference-2013.html#more

2013-2016 Five months after the 2013 conference and seven months ahead of the 2014 Synod of the Family, he makes an about face and slams all of his previous trad buds from the previous years. All the original links to CMTV's website are dead, but you can be assured it happened! Some reactions to it: http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/fetzen-fliegen/item/1264-pay-no-attention-to-the-man-behind-the-vortex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfFMrWHQS-8

-Gets exclusive access to Q&A sessions at the Vatican during the 2014 synod. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PajgVWtgx1M

-Also happens to get access to Archbishop Dolan about the gαy parade on St. Patrick's day 2015.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-39rNZ2vxk

2016- Two weeks after Amoris Laetitia is released, he comes out as a former ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ yet currently repentant man in order to circuмvent the actions of Fr. Nicholas  and the Archdiocese of New York. Catholics and bloggers everywhere call him courageous and that his past doesn't matter!  

Truth: He was a planted time-bomb within the traditionalist community and is most likely a very active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ whose services are in high demand from the satanic gαy-sex cult currently operating under the guise of the Catholic Church. That's why you'll never see any of his ex-boyfriends come forward. Ever wondered how traditionalists must seem to the Satanic Elite? Here is their facsimile of one!

A quick mention about who he's been known to associate with.

Quote
Voris was equally surprised by evidence showing that his staff apologist and program host Simon Rafe – who is the webmaster at St. Michael's Media, and co-authored its “Saint Michael's Basic Training” apologetics course – had also written the “adult” role-playing game “Castle Dracula,” and fan-fiction depicting ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in the Star Wars universe. Per cna



Ok, let's form a checklist of deviant individuals from St. Michael's Media:

1. Anthony "Tridentine" Perlas, pornographer.
2. Simon Rafe
3. Michael Voris

Feel free to add as more are revealed!

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 10:21:48 PM
That makes perfect sense.
So the 1997 "Double Trouble" "video" most probably is the you-can't-leave-the-pact contract.
The mother company: Concept Communication, LLC  began in 1997.
This is beginning to make a lot more sense now.
He's still deep in it. No pun intended.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 23, 2016, 10:23:56 PM
Quote from: Guest
That makes perfect sense.
So the 1997 "Double Trouble" "video" most probably is the you-can't-leave-the-pact contract.
The mother company: Concept Communication, LLC  began in 1997.
This is beginning to make a lot more sense now.
He's still deep in it. No pun intended.


We should ask Dolan, he might still have a copy.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 23, 2016, 10:34:01 PM
Quote
But, it is really quite a risk and courageous to come out and admit that truth on his part, and I think he is owed some credit for that.


Fell for it. But so did Louie Verrechio:

https://akacatholic.com/michael-voris-beating-the-devil-to-the-punch/

If having a live-in boyfriend and engaging in ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ sins for over 20 years is the new lukewarm, then I guess Amoris Laetitia has had more of an effect on us than I thought!

Why do people assume he's telling the truth about giving up that "lifestyle"? He lied about being a regular Joe-Novus-Ordo Catholic, he lied about being a traditional Catholic, and the timing of his public stances are aligned with major actions from the Vatican.

So here's the real question: how deeply entrenched is the "gαy lobby" satanic sex cult? Provided below is a choice article that hardly anyone noticed during the Pope Benedict Era.

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2072613,00.html?xid=rss-world

Here are a few excerpts:
Quote
Priest Sex-Abuse Case Hits Church of Pope's Adviser
By Alessandra Pieracci and Giacomo Galeazzi / La Stampa / Worldcrunch Thursday, May 19, 2011

(GENOA) — The latest sex-abuse case to rock the Catholic Church is unfolding in the archdiocese of an influential Italian Cardinal who has been working with Pope Benedict XVI on reforms to respond to prior scandals of pedophile priests.

Father Riccardo Seppia, a 51-year-old parish priest in the village of Sastri Ponente, near Genoa, was arrested last Friday, May 13, on pedophilia and drug charges. Investigators say that in tapped mobile-phone conversations, Seppia asked a Moroccan drug dealer to arrange sɛҳuąƖ encounters with young and vulnerable boys. "I do not want 16-year-old boys but younger. Fourteen-year-olds are O.K. Look for needy boys who have family issues," he allegedly said. Genoa Archbishop Angelo Bagnasco, who is the head of the Italian Bishops Conference, had been working with Benedict to establish a tough new worldwide policy, released this week, on how bishops should handle accusations of priestly sex abuse.

...

According to investigators, Seppia told a friend — a former seminarian and barman who is currently under investigation — that the town's malls were the best places to entice minors. In tapped phone conversations the two cursed and swore against God. The priest is charged with having attempted to kiss and touch an underage altar boy and of having exchanged cocaine for sɛҳuąƖ intercourse with boys over 18.

...

The investigation is ongoing.


And what happened to this filthy beast? Nine years in prison. He's served 4 up to now.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-05/04/c_131567145.htm

I will supply the next piece of info as the Dailymail is a notoriously shameless rag, but so far it's one of the only outlets covering the story after a year!

Quote
Judge Bossi dismissed his apologies and sentenced him to four years, two months and twenty days for the sex abuse and attempted child prostitution charges and five years and four months for the drug offences, making a total of nine and a half years. He was also fined €28,000 (£22,700).


Be warned before clicking the link, the side stories are filled with impure garbage.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2139479/Ricardo-Seppia-Paedophile-priest-jailed-abusing-altar-boys-supplying-cocaine.html


Which means if this man hadn't had any drug charges, he'd be a free man as we speak! They actually gave him more time for drugs than going after psychologically damaged children. This man needs to be put to death.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 23, 2016, 10:58:07 PM
Quote from: Guest
From Wiki:

Voris attended the University of Notre Dame, graduating in 1983 with a degree in communications with a focus on history in politics. He also attended two years of seminary training at St. Joseph's Seminary in New York during the 1980s.[3] Between 1983 and 1986 he became a television anchor, producer and reporter for various CBS affiliates in New York, Albany, Duluth and Cheyenne.[4] In 1989 he became a news reporter and producer for a Fox affiliate in Detroit, where he won four Emmy Awards for production between 1992 and 1996.[4]

In 1997 he began operation of an independent television production company called Concept Communication, LLC. This limited liability company was registered by co-owners Gary Michael Voris and John Fitzpatrick Mola with the State of Michigan on July 8, 1997.[5] Shortly thereafter on July 23, 1997, Voris and Mola registered a video with the US Copyright Office titled "Double Trouble".[6] The nature of the content of this video is not known as it does not appear to have been released publicly.



Double Trouble, 1997 (http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=153&ti=151,153&Search_Arg=double%20trouble&Search_Code=TALL&CNT=25&PID=SmyM_1xsKNsOlQNJ80RnonY9jPmI0v9&SEQ=20160423214712&SID=1)

Double trouble.

Type of Work:   Motion Picture
Registration Number / Date:   PA0000859824 / 1997-07-23
Title:   Double trouble.
Description:   Videocassette ; 1/2 in.
Copyright Claimant:   Gary Michael Voris & John Fitzgerald Mola
Date of Creation:   1997
Date of Publication:   1997-07-22
Names:   Voris, Gary Michael
Mola, John Fitzgerald


I noticed there is a Ryan Fitzgerald. Must be related to Voris' business partner: John Fitzgerald.

http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/author/ryan-fitzgerald
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: LaramieHirsch on April 23, 2016, 11:44:45 PM
Quote from: Croixalist
The Voris Timeline...


Why do people assume he's telling the truth about giving up that "lifestyle"? He lied about being a regular Joe-Novus-Ordo Catholic, he lied about being a traditional Catholic, and the timing of his public stances are aligned with major actions from the Vatican.






Hmmm.  Wow.  Thumbs up to you.  I may yet change my mind on this one.  

Just goes to show, I'm not an investigator.  Just a reactionary.  


So, okay.  Devil's advocate.  Let's assume what you're saying about Voris is true.  Can you explain Fr. Nicholson's behavior?

I'm willing to bet that some new investigative articles about Voris are going to be coming out in coming months.  


Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 24, 2016, 12:03:16 AM
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Quote from: Croixalist
The Voris Timeline...


Why do people assume he's telling the truth about giving up that "lifestyle"? He lied about being a regular Joe-Novus-Ordo Catholic, he lied about being a traditional Catholic, and the timing of his public stances are aligned with major actions from the Vatican.






Hmmm.  Wow.  Thumbs up to you.  I may yet change my mind on this one.  

Just goes to show, I'm not an investigator.  Just a reactionary.  


So, okay.  Devil's advocate.  Let's assume what you're saying about Voris is true.  Can you explain Fr. Nicholson's behavior?

I'm willing to bet that some new investigative articles about Voris are going to be coming out in coming months.  




It's all good theater. As I recall some people linked Voris' change of attitude back in 2014 to his association with Fr. Nicholson. The way I figure, Nicholson is serving as a smokescreen or just another layer of theater in this whole mess. In the end I don't think he even registers for most people compared to Voris at least, so what he does is only important insofar as it relates to Mr. V. My feeling is that he is completely in on it. Same goes for Dolan.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Caraffa on April 24, 2016, 12:05:48 AM
Quote from: Croixalist
The Voris Timeline:

1981-1991 Slept around with men and women. Hasn't ruled out animals.

...

Truth: He was a planted time-bomb within the traditionalist community and is most likely a very active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ whose services are in high demand from the satanic gαy-sex cult currently operating under the guise of the Catholic Church. That's why you'll never see any of his ex-boyfriends come forward. Ever wondered how traditionalists must seem to the Satanic Elite? Here is their facsimile of one!



I think you've got it Croixalist. Voris may have already revealed as such by dropping hints. See this: http://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/vort-2015-12-03

Quote from: Gary Michael Voris
When I was a sophomore at Notre Dame, I met this establishment up close and personal, and believe me, there isn't a thing "nice" about the Church of Nice. Near the end of my sophomore year, I started receiving anonymous letters through campus mail. At first they were innocent enough. I thought that my roommates or other buds were goofing with me. But then they turned dark, laying out sɛҳuąƖ fantasizing with me at the center of it all. I took all this to a priest on campus who advised me to wait out the storm for the rest of the semester since it was almost over. Nothing more happened — until summer school.  

The priest I had gone to for counsel was away on vacation and sent me a letter admitting that he was the author of all the other letters and cards. I was 19. He was a priest. I was at Notre Dame, where I had wanted to go my entire life, even trying out to be leprechaun. Notre Dame was my world. The Church environment was my world. And this man, in whom I had confided my fears, turned out to be the very man who was the cause of it all.


I haven't watched any of the Vortex in a while, but I wouldn't be surprised if Voris was already prepping his audience for the big reveal. It goes even further back than last year. Five or six years ago, Voris said in one of his videos that homos are more loved by God than heteros because of their "cross". Assuming he's a plant, one of his goals is likely to change the views of Traditional Catholics in regard to fαɢɢօtry.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 12:11:11 AM
Quote from: Caraffa
Assuming  he's a plant, one of his goals is likely to change the views of Traditional Catholics in regard to fαɢɢօtry.


But, but, he has been compared to St. Paul, St. Francis, St. Ignatius and St. Augustine! And his mom (RIP), to St. Monica!

Amoris Laetitia shows mercy to everyone!

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Caraffa on April 24, 2016, 12:24:25 AM
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Caraffa
Assuming  he's a plant, one of his goals is likely to change the views of Traditional Catholics in regard to fαɢɢօtry.


But, but, he has been compared to St. Paul, St. Francis, St. Ignatius and St. Augustine! And his mom (RIP), to St. Monica!

Amoris Laetitia shows mercy to everyone!



You left out King David!

Don't we Catholics know that Voris has been raised up and anointed lay apologist King by God? How dare we question this man's faith, motives, and sincerity!!
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 24, 2016, 12:40:06 AM
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I think you've got it Croixalist. Voris may have already revealed as such by dropping hints. See this: http://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/vort-2015-12-03

Quote from: Gary Michael Voris
When I was a sophomore at Notre Dame, I met this establishment up close and personal, and believe me, there isn't a thing "nice" about the Church of Nice. Near the end of my sophomore year, I started receiving anonymous letters through campus mail. At first they were innocent enough. I thought that my roommates or other buds were goofing with me. But then they turned dark, laying out sɛҳuąƖ fantasizing with me at the center of it all. I took all this to a priest on campus who advised me to wait out the storm for the rest of the semester since it was almost over. Nothing more happened — until summer school.  

The priest I had gone to for counsel was away on vacation and sent me a letter admitting that he was the author of all the other letters and cards. I was 19. He was a priest. I was at Notre Dame, where I had wanted to go my entire life, even trying out to be leprechaun. Notre Dame was my world. The Church environment was my world. And this man, in whom I had confided my fears, turned out to be the very man who was the cause of it all.


I haven't watched any of the Vortex in a while, but I wouldn't be surprised if Voris was already prepping his audience for the big reveal. It goes even further back than last year. Five or six years ago, Voris said in one of his videos that homos are more loved by God than heteros because of their "cross". Assuming he's a plant, one of his goals is likely to change the views of Traditional Catholics in regard to fαɢɢօtry.


Yuck. I wonder if that's part of the true story about how he was recruited. I'm not entirely sure he wasn't kidnapped so don't quote me on that!

If he was being honest, which he isn't, but if he was back when he first started, there would have been zero chance of him being taken seriously by traditionalists. As it happened, he was thoroughly absorbed for about 7 years before he started to show his cards. That's long enough to cause pangs of sympathy even for those of us who used to agree with him on various issues.

Now that he's playing the repentant gαy victim card, he's virtually invulnerable to traditionalist fire... until you look at the circuмstances that is.

Lord, set fire to this bundle of sticks!

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: LaramieHirsch on April 24, 2016, 01:31:41 AM
Quote from: Croixalist

Now that he's playing the repentant gαy victim card, he's virtually invulnerable to traditionalist fire... until you look at the circuмstances that is.


Hmmm.  I've gotta be honest.  I've got to give him the benefit of the doubt today.  I mean...I've got to be able to believe that someone can come from that kind of a lifestyle and successfully repent.  

However, I also ask myself: "Laramie, when have you ever seen someone do 'Life' right?  When have you ever seen someone come through and be a true blue successful genuine article?  Once?"

Croixalist, you got me thinking on this.  Your supposition is possible.   But I'd also like to think Voris' stated repentance is possible.  

This is not a closed book.  Not for me.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 01:47:13 AM
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Now that he's playing the repentant gαy victim card, he's virtually invulnerable to traditionalist fire... until you look at the circuмstances that is.


Hmmm.  I've gotta be honest.  I've got to give him the benefit of the doubt today.  I mean...I've got to be able to believe that someone can come from that kind of a lifestyle and successfully repent.  

However, I also ask myself: "Laramie, when have you ever seen someone do 'Life' right?  When have you ever seen someone come through and be a true blue successful genuine article?  Once?"

Croixalist, you got me thinking on this.  Your supposition is possible.   But I'd also like to think Voris' stated repentance is possible.  

This is not a closed book.  Not for me.

Nor is this case over for Voris.
This is the tip of the iceBERG. No pun intended.

It's actually diabolical.

"It's especially ironic that the SSPX would say that the Novus Ordo Mass is an offense against God when you stop to consider the extremely grave and serious point that every single SSPX priest and bishop is committing a mortal sin when he offers Mass...It's the "Non serviam!" of Satan offering Mass in reparation for his own sin of disobedience."
-Michael Voris September 16 2015

http://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/the-vortexoffensive-to-god
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: LaramieHirsch on April 24, 2016, 02:10:41 AM
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"It's especially ironic that the SSPX would say that the Novus Ordo Mass is an offense against God when you stop to consider the extremely grave and serious point that every single SSPX priest and bishop is committing a mortal sin when he offers Mass...It's the "Non serviam!" of Satan offering Mass in reparation for his own sin of disobedience."
-Michael Voris September 16 2015

http://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/the-vortexoffensive-to-god


Ah, yes.  I remember this. How horrible that was.  

But also...just think of how terrible it is that we have to actually formulate and consider these kinds of cօռspιʀαcιҽs.  We must do this.  Not because we're crazy or anything, but because these kinds of deceptions have happened many times before in the past.

The fact we have to ponder this possibility that Croixalist puts forth is a sad commentary on our times.  



For me, the situation with this pope and the Society are easily explainable.  Merely look at the prophecy of St. Francis of Assisi, and there you go.  

I have no doubt that the Vatican would like to reign in the SSPX in order to do to it what it has done to the Franciscans.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 24, 2016, 02:34:49 AM
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Now that he's playing the repentant gαy victim card, he's virtually invulnerable to traditionalist fire... until you look at the circuмstances that is.


Hmmm.  I've gotta be honest.  I've got to give him the benefit of the doubt today.  I mean...I've got to be able to believe that someone can come from that kind of a lifestyle and successfully repent.  

However, I also ask myself: "Laramie, when have you ever seen someone do 'Life' right?  When have you ever seen someone come through and be a true blue successful genuine article?  Once?"

Croixalist, you got me thinking on this.  Your supposition is possible.   But I'd also like to think Voris' stated repentance is possible.  

This is not a closed book.  Not for me.


You keep reading in the dark like that and you'll go blind.

It doesn't matter how many times he's lied before, only that he promises that he's telling the truth now. Am I right? I'm not saying a man cannot come back from being an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, I'm saying that Voris is an undisputed liar and a severe liability for tradition.

Imagine if he really were converted from being "gαy" after 20 or so years, wouldn't that be the biggest story of his life? What would his prayerlife be like? How would he deal with the inevitable demonic attacks, temptations, and plain old memories plaguing his waking hours? What saints did he pray to? Tell me he lost all his gαy friends and gained all new traditional Catholic ones over 2 years! Such an individual might truly have been helpful in that capacity, but common sense says they'd have absolutely no place as a full time Catholic news presenter/commentator. He was only 4 years removed from the height of the publicized Church sex scandals and two years away from what must have been a greater miracle than St. Augustine's conversion!

None of what he claims for himself is falsifiable. Is there even a picture of him out there that's older than 2006?

Here's a quick quiz:

gαy man gone Catholic or gαy man gone clubbing?

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-35x_bWQXuUI/UXBgK47McXI/AAAAAAAAAkM/dPT4P6Xptt0/s1600/mike+voris+ottawa+003.JPG)

Open shirt down to mid chest, no t-shirt. Oozing repentance! St. Benedict approves?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 03:13:21 AM
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Lord, set fire to this bundle of sticks!


Bundle of sticks.   :roll-laugh1:
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 24, 2016, 03:21:50 AM
Question 2:

Which one of these men worked under Voris and produces new-agey pics of women wearing church veils as well as assorted pornographic images?

(https://traditionalaltarboy.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/img_1851.png)
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 24, 2016, 03:34:09 AM
Question 3: Can you spot the current CMTV contributor who in 2011 was the star of this particular story?

Quote from: CNA
As recently as August 15, the website batcave.co.uk hosted the text of “Castle Dracula: A Tunnels & Trolls Solo Adventure by Simon Rafe.” Signed and dated “Simon 'The Darknight' Rafe, Baptism of Our Lord, 2010,” the work contains a paragraph vividly describing a sɛҳuąƖ encounter with “a beautiful Elven woman” revealed to be “Asrel, the goddess of love, life, health, healing, beauty and sex.”

Rafe gives the player a series of options in the scenario: “If you would like strength and vitality, turn to 70. If you would like health and life, turn to 383. If you would like true love, turn to 467. If you would like sex appeal, turn to 203. If you would like sɛҳuąƖ potency, turn to 366. If you would like make love to the goddess (even if you are female - Asrel is an equal-opportunity lover!), turn to 11.”


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Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: LaramieHirsch on April 24, 2016, 04:22:43 AM
Quote from: Croixalist


You keep reading in the dark like that and you'll go blind.

It doesn't matter how many times he's lied before, only that he promises that he's telling the truth now. Am I right? I'm not saying a man cannot come back from being an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, I'm saying that Voris is an undisputed liar and a severe liability for tradition.


Okay, Croixalist, listen up.  Here's what I want you to do.  

My blog post (the one that's on page 1 of this thread) is generating high traffic right now.  I want you to go on there, to that post, and I want you to post what you're stating right here on Cathinfo.  

This will generate the attention of r-selected types--the go-along-get-along Catholics who are trapped in confirmation bias.  They will see what you have to say, and you will be sharing this message with a lot of people out there.  Do this right away.  

It is possible that we might see someone else come along with these suspicions, and that they've been waiting to hear it from someone else.  Or, perhaps someone will come along and help you to flush out your thoughts on this matter.  Either way, I'd like to see how what you say here stands up to a lot of non-Cathinfo traffic.  

In fact, direct people to this very thread, and we can perhaps pull some new traffic to Cathinfo this week.  I'm sure Matthew would like that.

Perhaps sharing this with a larger audience will spark something unexpected?  Just a thought.  But I encourage you to give it a try.  

I'd start a new post about this topic, but the main viral traffic is going to this specific post that I've already put out there.

http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2016/04/i-support-michael-voris-today.html


In the meantime--again--I'm open to more discussion about this.  That Voris is some kind of a gαy shill who's playing Traditionalists this entire time.  If I see more of this kind of talk, I will be further intrigued and compelled to distrust him.  In which case, I'll spread the word if that happens.

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: LaramieHirsch on April 24, 2016, 04:26:47 AM
Quote from: Croixalist
Question 2:

Which one of these men worked under Voris and produces new-agey pics of women wearing church veils as well as assorted pornographic images?

(https://traditionalaltarboy.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/img_1851.png)


Whoah, crap!  It's that guy that Steve Skojec denounced.  

http://www.onepeterfive.com/a-warning-about-the-so-called-latin-mass-society/

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 05:35:03 AM
Vortex indeed.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Gag Hogan Ilium on April 24, 2016, 06:39:09 AM
Quote from: Croixalist
Question 3: Can you spot the current CMTV contributor who in 2011 was the star of this particular story?


No, can you point him out for me?

Just kidding.  Does this mean all mainstream Catholic talking heads are compromised?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Croixalist
Question 3: Can you spot the current CMTV contributor who in 2011 was the star of this particular story?

Quote from: CNA
As recently as August 15, the website batcave.co.uk hosted the text of “Castle Dracula: A Tunnels & Trolls Solo Adventure by Simon Rafe.” Signed and dated “Simon 'The Darknight' Rafe, Baptism of Our Lord, 2010,” the work contains a paragraph vividly describing a sɛҳuąƖ encounter with “a beautiful Elven woman” revealed to be “Asrel, the goddess of love, life, health, healing, beauty and sex.”

Rafe gives the player a series of options in the scenario: “If you would like strength and vitality, turn to 70. If you would like health and life, turn to 383. If you would like true love, turn to 467. If you would like sex appeal, turn to 203. If you would like sɛҳuąƖ potency, turn to 366. If you would like make love to the goddess (even if you are female - Asrel is an equal-opportunity lover!), turn to 11.”


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"Voris was equally surprised by evidence showing that his staff apologist and program host Simon Rafe – who is the webmaster at St. Michael's Media, and co-authored its “Saint Michael's Basic Training” apologetics course – had also written the “adult” role-playing game “Castle Dracula,” and fan-fiction depicting ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in the Star Wars universe." Per cna
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CREEPY

And yet he remains on staff.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 06:56:10 AM
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St. Michael's Media

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never let me be parted from you.”

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So, we are embarking on a new endeavor we call PAUSE: a twelve-month program, structured roughly around a traditional academic calendar in which candidates learn deeply about the Catholic Faith by taking a “pause” from their current life circuмstances and come to pray/discern/study/work/live with other like-minded individuals who desire to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit, and how best to serve the Church.

The program is directed toward young men who feel a deep desire to be at the service of the Church in this current time of Her great need, but who may not have had the opportunity to discern exactly how they can best do this, whether through a religious vocation, a vocation to marriage, or a dedication to the life of lay consecrated celibacy.

This “pause” provides an opportunity for such reflection while also spending considerable time in study of the Faith, learning and doing the work of television production at the service of the Church, and most importantly, developing an established habit of prayer, both communal and private.  All of this will be done while living together in a house of discernment.

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Paramount in any discernment for a life in service to the Church is prayer.  With an emphasis on frequent Mass, daily public recitation of the Divine Office, the Rosary, Angelus, mental prayer, Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, spiritual direction, and days of reflection, discerners will encounter the art of “communication” with Our Lord.  They will take what they have received in contemplation and distribute the fruits in media productions of St. Michael’s Media.  Privately, traditional spiritual readings drawn from the Saints, Fathers, and Doctors of the Church will also be regular.

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The Holy Spirit can only be heard in the ear that is trained and tested.  Committing to one year of study, prayer, common life, and an intense sacramental life, the discerner will mature. He will obtain an invaluable year of experience working in and for the good of the Church.

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The current generation is suffering greatly from a lack of effectual catechesis and apologetics, former mainstays of the Faith.  An integral part of the life of Faith is study and reflection. One cannot love what one does not know. With the goal of deepening love for the Church, and thereby Our Blessed Lord, catechesis and apologetics based on time-proven traditional sources such as Scripture, the Catechism, Church docuмents, and councils will be daily aspects of life.

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In response to the Holy Father’s urgent and repeated calls for a New Evangelization,* and his desire that the tools of modern social communications be employed to their fullest, St. Michael’s Media has dedicated itself to a rigorous defense and promotion of the Holy Catholic Faith using precisely these means. All candidates will be very exposed to this work and undergo training for full incorporation into the daily public work in which we are engaged.

[*In his call for a New Evangelization, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI states that “we are searching for . . . a new evangelization, capable of being heard by that world that does not find access to 'classic' evangelization. . . . This is why we are obliged to look for new ways of bringing the Gospel to all.” Modern social communications are “marvels of technology which God has destined human genius to discover” (Inter Mirifica) and can be used for great good as well as great evil.]

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Because the work of discernment is accomplished both privately and in community, all candidates will live in the same house, which will be provided in exchange for their commitment to work. All other expenses incurred during the year are the responsibility of the candidate.

It is anticipated that transportation is the responsibility of the candidate, as well as car insurance and health insurance.  

[It is very important to consider at this point that the PAUSE program, while having a very heavy work aspect to it, is not primarily a job for a year.  It is an opportunity to discern how one can best spend his life in service to the Church.]
 
Discerners will live in close contact with laymen who have dedicated themselves to apostolic celibacy at the service of the apostolate and at the service of Holy Mother Church.  

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While the program is a lay initiative, discerners will be able to draw upon the pastoral care of priests who understand the Church's current struggles and are completely in conformity and juridical unity with the Roman Pontiff.   These priests will be deeply involved and available for spiritual guidance and direction, Mass, and confession. Saint Michael’s Media is very committed to a holy priesthood and abundantly hopes many candidates will recognize a vocation to the priesthood in their own circuмstances.

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Each candidate will be given the tools to grow in both love and understanding of his faith through means of prayer, study, work, and community life.  The results for each participant will be determined by his personal motivation, beginning with a strong desire to learn and discern.

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Could this be used to screen out for something else?

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 06:57:51 AM
And yet no season or opportunities for women?  
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 07:00:07 AM
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Question 3: Can you spot the current CMTV contributor who in 2011 was the star of this particular story?

Quote from: CNA
As recently as August 15, the website batcave.co.uk hosted the text of “Castle Dracula: A Tunnels & Trolls Solo Adventure by Simon Rafe.” Signed and dated “Simon 'The Darknight' Rafe, Baptism of Our Lord, 2010,” the work contains a paragraph vividly describing a sɛҳuąƖ encounter with “a beautiful Elven woman” revealed to be “Asrel, the goddess of love, life, health, healing, beauty and sex.”

Rafe gives the player a series of options in the scenario: “If you would like strength and vitality, turn to 70. If you would like health and life, turn to 383. If you would like true love, turn to 467. If you would like sex appeal, turn to 203. If you would like sɛҳuąƖ potency, turn to 366. If you would like make love to the goddess (even if you are female - Asrel is an equal-opportunity lover!), turn to 11.”


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CREEPY

And yet he remains on staff.



Creepy and disgusting.  
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 07:03:21 AM
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Question 3: Can you spot the current CMTV contributor who in 2011 was the star of this particular story?

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As recently as August 15, the website batcave.co.uk hosted the text of “Castle Dracula: A Tunnels & Trolls Solo Adventure by Simon Rafe.” Signed and dated “Simon 'The Darknight' Rafe, Baptism of Our Lord, 2010,” the work contains a paragraph vividly describing a sɛҳuąƖ encounter with “a beautiful Elven woman” revealed to be “Asrel, the goddess of love, life, health, healing, beauty and sex.”

Rafe gives the player a series of options in the scenario: “If you would like strength and vitality, turn to 70. If you would like health and life, turn to 383. If you would like true love, turn to 467. If you would like sex appeal, turn to 203. If you would like sɛҳuąƖ potency, turn to 366. If you would like make love to the goddess (even if you are female - Asrel is an equal-opportunity lover!), turn to 11.”


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CREEPY

And yet he remains on staff.



Creepy and disgusting.  

This sounds like Wicca.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 07:08:54 AM
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Quote from: Croixalist
Question 2:

Which one of these men worked under Voris and produces new-agey pics of women wearing church veils as well as assorted pornographic images?

(https://traditionalaltarboy.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/img_1851.png)


Whoah, crap!  It's that guy that Steve Skojec denounced.  

http://www.onepeterfive.com/a-warning-about-the-so-called-latin-mass-society/



I think croixalist is right.

There is another thing.  On many Catholic sites there appears gαy activist trolls.  I haven't seen much of that on churchmilitant.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 07:14:04 AM
They don't like saying anything against Pope.  And yet they never went in person to report when the Pope came to America. They had video from devil worship dance party.

They have a studio chapel but rarely if ever have televised Mass.

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 07:24:33 AM
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The Voris Timeline:

1981-1991 Slept around with men and women.

1991-2001 "Confused" about sɛҳuąƖity, but sure enough to live with gαy men. Confused about how to split the rent probably.

2001-2004 Goes to Novus Ordo Mass but still sinning. Not yet abhoring sins against God and his own body.

Added:  In 2003 Michael began speaking at various parishes throughout Detroit (http://michaelvoris.weebly.com/about-michael-voris.html) and from 2004 - 2006 he was regularly hosting programmes broadcast on Michigan Catholic Radio

2004-2006 Stops having sex with men after his mother's death. Decides to start his own traditionalist Catholic show and website complete with logo and tag line and thousands of dollars in equipment.. in Detroit.

2006-2013 Falsely presents himself as a formerly lukewarm Catholic, who just wants to defend the traditional Faith now.

-Snuggles up to every traditionalist personality he can get his hands on, culminating in his appearance at the 2013 Catholic Identity Conference. http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/09/catholic-identity-conference-2013.html#more

2013-2016 Five months after the 2013 conference and seven months ahead of the 2014 Synod of the Family, he makes an about face and slams all of his previous trad buds from the previous years. All the original links to CMTV's website are dead, but you can be assured it happened! Some reactions to it:

etc...


I added one from 2003.  
Someone pointed out elsewhere, he went almost instantaneously from committing sins that cry to heaven for vengeance to being a public speaker on Catholic issues.   :scratchchin:
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 08:27:34 AM
It seems like those in the media and entertainment have to sleep their way to the top.  
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 24, 2016, 09:33:20 AM
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The Voris Timeline:

1981-1991 Slept around with men and women.

1991-2001 "Confused" about sɛҳuąƖity, but sure enough to live with gαy men. Confused about how to split the rent probably.

2001-2004 Goes to Novus Ordo Mass but still sinning. Not yet abhoring sins against God and his own body.

Added:  In 2003 Michael began speaking at various parishes throughout Detroit (http://michaelvoris.weebly.com/about-michael-voris.html) and from 2004 - 2006 he was regularly hosting programmes broadcast on Michigan Catholic Radio

2004-2006 Stops having sex with men after his mother's death. Decides to start his own traditionalist Catholic show and website complete with logo and tag line and thousands of dollars in equipment.. in Detroit.

2006-2013 Falsely presents himself as a formerly lukewarm Catholic, who just wants to defend the traditional Faith now.

-Snuggles up to every traditionalist personality he can get his hands on, culminating in his appearance at the 2013 Catholic Identity Conference. http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/09/catholic-identity-conference-2013.html#more

2013-2016 Five months after the 2013 conference and seven months ahead of the 2014 Synod of the Family, he makes an about face and slams all of his previous trad buds from the previous years. All the original links to CMTV's website are dead, but you can be assured it happened! Some reactions to it:

etc...


I added one from 2003.  
Someone pointed out elsewhere, he went almost instantaneously from committing sins that cry to heaven for vengeance to being a public speaker on Catholic issues.   :scratchchin:


Nice, thanks for the tip! That would mean he was actively speaking BEFORE his mother's death and therefore prior to the end of his sodomite career.

Does this idiot know how much he's already contradicting himself?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 10:34:12 AM
Quote from: Croixalist
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Croixalist
The Voris Timeline:

1981-1991 Slept around with men and women.

1991-2001 "Confused" about sɛҳuąƖity, but sure enough to live with gαy men. Confused about how to split the rent probably.

2001-2004 Goes to Novus Ordo Mass but still sinning. Not yet abhoring sins against God and his own body.

Added:  In 2003 Michael began speaking at various parishes throughout Detroit (http://michaelvoris.weebly.com/about-michael-voris.html) and from 2004 - 2006 he was regularly hosting programmes broadcast on Michigan Catholic Radio

2004-2006 Stops having sex with men after his mother's death. Decides to start his own traditionalist Catholic show and website complete with logo and tag line and thousands of dollars in equipment.. in Detroit.

2006-2013 Falsely presents himself as a formerly lukewarm Catholic, who just wants to defend the traditional Faith now.

-Snuggles up to every traditionalist personality he can get his hands on, culminating in his appearance at the 2013 Catholic Identity Conference. http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/09/catholic-identity-conference-2013.html#more

2013-2016 Five months after the 2013 conference and seven months ahead of the 2014 Synod of the Family, he makes an about face and slams all of his previous trad buds from the previous years. All the original links to CMTV's website are dead, but you can be assured it happened! Some reactions to it:

etc...


I added one from 2003.  
Someone pointed out elsewhere, he went almost instantaneously from committing sins that cry to heaven for vengeance to being a public speaker on Catholic issues.   :scratchchin:


Nice, thanks for the tip! That would mean he was actively speaking BEFORE his mother's death and therefore prior to the end of his sodomite career.

Does this idiot know how much he's already contradicting himself?



I have concluded that you have been right all along, Croixalist. I detract my fist statement in his defense.

I will never be able to look at Voris the same as before (and not in a good way).
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 12:37:46 PM
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Quote from: Croixalist

Now that he's playing the repentant gαy victim card, he's virtually invulnerable to traditionalist fire... until you look at the circuмstances that is.


Hmmm.  I've gotta be honest.  I've got to give him the benefit of the doubt today.  I mean...I've got to be able to believe that someone can come from that kind of a lifestyle and successfully repent.  

However, I also ask myself: "Laramie, when have you ever seen someone do 'Life' right?  When have you ever seen someone come through and be a true blue successful genuine article?  Once?"

Croixalist, you got me thinking on this.  Your supposition is possible.   But I'd also like to think Voris' stated repentance is possible.  

This is not a closed book.  Not for me.


He lived this lifestyle for what 44-45 years!? Then repents and becomes catholic mentor for the true faith? With sodomy causing so many of the church's and worlds problems shouldn't he have brought this up a while ago because now he HAD to discuss it because someone is ready to roll on him.

a quick search on him now brings up several stories of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs excited about this in a couple ways: he's one of them at heart OR down goes another catholic.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 24, 2016, 12:38:31 PM
Quote from: LaramieHirsch

Okay, Croixalist, listen up.  Here's what I want you to do.  

My blog post (the one that's on page 1 of this thread) is generating high traffic right now.  I want you to go on there, to that post, and I want you to post what you're stating right here on Cathinfo.  

This will generate the attention of r-selected types--the go-along-get-along Catholics who are trapped in confirmation bias.  They will see what you have to say, and you will be sharing this message with a lot of people out there.  Do this right away.  

It is possible that we might see someone else come along with these suspicions, and that they've been waiting to hear it from someone else.  Or, perhaps someone will come along and help you to flush out your thoughts on this matter.  Either way, I'd like to see how what you say here stands up to a lot of non-Cathinfo traffic.  

In fact, direct people to this very thread, and we can perhaps pull some new traffic to Cathinfo this week.  I'm sure Matthew would like that.

Perhaps sharing this with a larger audience will spark something unexpected?  Just a thought.  But I encourage you to give it a try.  

I'd start a new post about this topic, but the main viral traffic is going to this specific post that I've already put out there.

http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2016/04/i-support-michael-voris-today.html


In the meantime--again--I'm open to more discussion about this.  That Voris is some kind of a gαy shill who's playing Traditionalists this entire time.  If I see more of this kind of talk, I will be further intrigued and compelled to distrust him.  In which case, I'll spread the word if that happens.



Well, I thought I had it posted anonymously but it either hasn't been approved yet or deleted. Let it be known that I gave it a shot.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 24, 2016, 12:40:44 PM
Quote from: Guest
I have concluded that you have been right all along, Croixalist. I detract my fist statement in his defense.

I will never be able to look at Voris the same as before (and not in a good way).


Great, I hope more people come around to this!
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 01:00:00 PM
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Quote from: Croixalist
Question 2:



I think croixalist is right.

There is another thing.  On many Catholic sites there appears gαy activist trolls.  I haven't seen much of that on churchmilitant.


Ive looked at church militant website and YouTube. They disable comments on you tube and activity weed out comments in their website.  Comments even from trolls can raise a suspicion.

Cathinfo and remnant are the only sources I know to check for catholic news. I try to avoid searching in the cesspool of media.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Gag Hogan Ilium on April 24, 2016, 01:35:24 PM
https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/vorisgate-a-message-from-cmtv/

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Marc Brammer, who IS a member of Opus Dei, helped launch RealCatholicTV.com in 2008 with “funding” of $250,000


Does this explain everything?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: LaramieHirsch on April 24, 2016, 01:56:29 PM
Quote from: Croixalist


Well, I thought I had it posted anonymously but it either hasn't been approved yet or deleted. Let it be known that I gave it a shot.


Try again.  Copy and paste your text on Notepad, in case you have a problem again.  If the second try doesn't work, PM the text to me, and I'll take care of it.

Strike while the iron is hot.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 04:31:28 PM
Banned just now from Lifesite news comments for saying:

I am a father of seven. Four of them boys.
Knowing what we know now about MV, would you trust an all-boys apostolate to a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ who actively engaged (that we know of)in that sinful life for 15-years?
Bluntly: Would you send you sons here knowing what you know now?

(This is a good way to take the pulse of the mindset of today’s traditional Catholics)
I quote from CMTV’s site:

St. Michael’s Media
“Lord Jesus, use us to save souls, keep us always faithful to Your commandments, and
never let me be parted from you.”
Saint Michael’s Media is an effort to bring the new evangelization and the lay apostolate to the new media, and to embody the spiritual works of mercy of instructing the ignorant, admonishing the sinner, and teaching the Catholic faith. Our work is dedicated to saving our own souls by making ourselves available to Our Blessed Lord to be used to help save other souls. It is in this spirit that we want to share our apostolic work with young men (18-25 years of age, with minimum of a high school degree) still discerning how they might best serve Christ and His Church, as they seek to respond to the call of the Holy Spirit in their lives (emphasis on, but not limited to, former seminarians and those currently discerning).

So, we are embarking on a new endeavor we call PAUSE: a twelve-month program, structured roughly around a traditional academic calendar in which candidates learn deeply about the Catholic Faith by taking a “pause” from their current life circuмstances and come to pray/discern/study/work/live with other like-minded individuals who desire to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit, and how best to serve the Church.

The program is directed toward young men who feel a deep desire to be at the service of the Church in this current time of Her great need, but who may not have had the opportunity to discern exactly how they can best do this, whether through a religious vocation, a vocation to marriage, or a dedication to the life of lay consecrated celibacy.

SPIRITUAL WORK
In response to the Holy Father’s urgent and repeated calls for a New Evangelization,* and his desire that the tools of modern social communications be employed to their fullest, St. Michael’s Media has dedicated itself to a rigorous defense and promotion of the Holy Catholic Faith using precisely these means. All candidates will be very exposed to this work and undergo training for full incorporation into the daily public work in which we are engaged.

Discerners will live in close contact with laymen who have dedicated themselves to apostolic celibacy at the service of the apostolate and at the service of Holy Mother Church.

Application Process:
Phase I:
Initial online application/Inquiry (basic info/demographics/questionnaire)
Objective Statement / Submission of a simple video (Why am I interested? (100 words; 2 minutes)
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: OHCA on April 24, 2016, 05:39:10 PM
Those bringing up Voris' past sins simply for self-gain and for the sake of knocking him down are sinning, probably gravely.

At the same time though, those who would entrust their children or youth to him have a right to know.

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is a sin that can be forgiven.  But it is also a mental disorder from which the young must be protected.  It's not safe to trust anyone with any sort of sɛҳuąƖ perversion with children.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 06:13:28 PM
A sin forgiven; where is the true Precious Blood.

This may be off subject: but there is the Beerclub.com in New Order, dioceses.  Yes, lure the young with homemade brew and let's talk.  Who is funding? Who is promoting?  It was in the phx dioceses paper and go on line to see how many other dioceses are promoting the "tea party".  I was shocked!! Stated in dioceses paper: We do not check baptismal records.  That is supposed to be a joke? They were supposed to be referring to proof of age.

Sick!
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 24, 2016, 08:27:35 PM
Quote from: Guest
Banned just now from Lifesite news comments for saying:

I am a father of seven. Four of them boys.
Knowing what we know now about MV, would you trust an all-boys apostolate to a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ who actively engaged (that we know of)in that sinful life for 15-years?
Bluntly: Would you send you sons here knowing what you know now?

(This is a good way to take the pulse of the mindset of today’s traditional Catholics)
I quote from CMTV’s site:

St. Michael’s Media
“Lord Jesus, use us to save souls, keep us always faithful to Your commandments, and
never let me be parted from you.”
Saint Michael’s Media is an effort to bring the new evangelization and the lay apostolate to the new media, and to embody the spiritual works of mercy of instructing the ignorant, admonishing the sinner, and teaching the Catholic faith. Our work is dedicated to saving our own souls by making ourselves available to Our Blessed Lord to be used to help save other souls. It is in this spirit that we want to share our apostolic work with young men (18-25 years of age, with minimum of a high school degree) still discerning how they might best serve Christ and His Church, as they seek to respond to the call of the Holy Spirit in their lives (emphasis on, but not limited to, former seminarians and those currently discerning).

So, we are embarking on a new endeavor we call PAUSE: a twelve-month program, structured roughly around a traditional academic calendar in which candidates learn deeply about the Catholic Faith by taking a “pause” from their current life circuмstances and come to pray/discern/study/work/live with other like-minded individuals who desire to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit, and how best to serve the Church.

The program is directed toward young men who feel a deep desire to be at the service of the Church in this current time of Her great need, but who may not have had the opportunity to discern exactly how they can best do this, whether through a religious vocation, a vocation to marriage, or a dedication to the life of lay consecrated celibacy.

SPIRITUAL WORK
In response to the Holy Father’s urgent and repeated calls for a New Evangelization,* and his desire that the tools of modern social communications be employed to their fullest, St. Michael’s Media has dedicated itself to a rigorous defense and promotion of the Holy Catholic Faith using precisely these means. All candidates will be very exposed to this work and undergo training for full incorporation into the daily public work in which we are engaged.

Discerners will live in close contact with laymen who have dedicated themselves to apostolic celibacy at the service of the apostolate and at the service of Holy Mother Church.

Application Process:
Phase I:
Initial online application/Inquiry (basic info/demographics/questionnaire)
Objective Statement / Submission of a simple video (Why am I interested? (100 words; 2 minutes)


LOL. Lifesite isn't exclusively Catholic anyway which means you can't rely on them for any issue outside of abortion. They used to have a former fulltime pornographer gone evangelical with a regular column.

Interesting how they're screening out your concern out as if you were a troll!

Quote
Those bringing up Voris' past sins simply for self-gain and for the sake of knocking him down are sinning, probably gravely.

 At the same time though, those who would entrust their children or youth to him have a right to know.

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is a sin that can be forgiven. But it is also a mental disorder from which the young must be protected. It's not safe to trust anyone with any sort of sɛҳuąƖ perversion with children.


He needs to be knocked down because he's lying. Again, this is a brilliant stratagem because it forces most Catholics into an almost Protestant "once saved always saved" position. I got news for you guys: forgiveness does not mean we need to grant him license to keep doing what he's doing or forgo the appropriate and necessary response to these revelations. There are consequences that he has refused to accept as part of his past sins, namely that he has no place leading any religious discussions, or leading any kind of lay apostolate which grants him a position of authority. In an ideal situation, the local Bishop would insist he step down and remove himself from all self-appointed positions of influence. But we don't have that luxury.

No one in their right mind would have accepted his credentials at the outset of his new career he made for himself. We know now he was still a practicing homo and only infrequently going to Mass in 2003 when he started these speaking engagements! Yet when a very natural response to this manipulation is given we are confronted with shaming tactics from Catholics! Suddenly its a mortal sin to object to this guy! He's been caught in a number of lies by this admission of his and we may not assume he is operating on good faith.

St. Michael's Media needs to be shutdown. Like everything else, it'll take a miracle or a Restoration to make it happen.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Nadir on April 24, 2016, 09:11:56 PM
Just a quick reminder about his luxury lenten cruises!
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 24, 2016, 09:17:37 PM
I don't think someone who spent over a decade daily committing sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance should hold a position of influence in the Catholic world even if he is repentant. I think he should be learning to be holy, not trying to teach others how to be holy.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 24, 2016, 09:28:22 PM
Quote from: Nadir
Just a quick reminder about his luxury lenten cruises!


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b8/23/57/b82357218adaf8da1519c9785c9a8078.jpg)

Uh-oh! Time to overcompensate for effeminate image!

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/20140927/5114710/voris-gun-horse-o.gif)
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: LaramieHirsch on April 25, 2016, 07:48:18 AM
Quote from: OHCA
Those bringing up Voris' past sins simply for self-gain and for the sake of knocking him down are sinning, probably gravely.

At the same time though, those who would entrust their children or youth to him have a right to know.

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is a sin that can be forgiven.  But it is also a mental disorder from which the young must be protected.  It's not safe to trust anyone with any sort of sɛҳuąƖ perversion with children.


This is actually one of the best, most well-rounded posts I've seen you make.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 25, 2016, 08:17:48 AM
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Quote from: OHCA
Those bringing up Voris' past sins simply for self-gain and for the sake of knocking him down are sinning, probably gravely.

At the same time though, those who would entrust their children or youth to him have a right to know.

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is a sin that can be forgiven.  But it is also a mental disorder from which the young must be protected.  It's not safe to trust anyone with any sort of sɛҳuąƖ perversion with children.


This is actually one of the best, most well-rounded posts I've seen you make.


How is that a good post?  The evidence strongly points to CMTV being a fraud from the beginning.  This is a learning experience.  We should identify what the warning signs were so we don't fall for this again.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 25, 2016, 11:12:53 AM
For the person who posted he/she was banned from Lifesite News (or whatever it's called), I have a friend that received an infraction for asking on an allegedly Catholic forum why God would allow priests to sodomize altar boys.  She was told she was speaking disrespectfully about the clergy.  
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 25, 2016, 11:20:31 AM
Quote from: Croixalist
The Voris Timeline:

1981-1991 Slept around with men and women. Hasn't ruled out animals.

1991-2001 "Confused" about sɛҳuąƖity, but sure enough to live with gαy men. Confused about how to split the rent probably.

2001-2004 Goes to Novus Ordo Mass but still sinning. Not yet abhoring sins against God and his own body.

2004-2006 Stops having sex with men after his mother's death. Decides to start his own traditionalist Catholic show and website complete with logo and tag line and thousands of dollars in equipment.. in Detroit.

2006-2013 Falsely presents himself as a formerly lukewarm Catholic, who just wants to defend the traditional Faith now.

-Snuggles up to every traditionalist personality he can get his hands on, culminating in his appearance at the 2013 Catholic Identity Conference. http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/09/catholic-identity-conference-2013.html#more

2013-2016 Five months after the 2013 conference and seven months ahead of the 2014 Synod of the Family, he makes an about face and slams all of his previous trad buds from the previous years. All the original links to CMTV's website are dead, but you can be assured it happened! Some reactions to it: http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/fetzen-fliegen/item/1264-pay-no-attention-to-the-man-behind-the-vortex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfFMrWHQS-8

-Gets exclusive access to Q&A sessions at the Vatican during the 2014 synod. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PajgVWtgx1M

-Also happens to get access to Archbishop Dolan about the gαy parade on St. Patrick's day 2015.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-39rNZ2vxk

2016- Two weeks after Amoris Laetitia is released, he comes out as a former ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ yet currently repentant man in order to circuмvent the actions of Fr. Nicholas  and the Archdiocese of New York. Catholics and bloggers everywhere call him courageous and that his past doesn't matter!  

Truth: He was a planted time-bomb within the traditionalist community and is most likely a very active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ whose services are in high demand from the satanic gαy-sex cult currently operating under the guise of the Catholic Church. That's why you'll never see any of his ex-boyfriends come forward. Ever wondered how traditionalists must seem to the Satanic Elite? Here is their facsimile of one!

A quick mention about who he's been known to associate with.

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Voris was equally surprised by evidence showing that his staff apologist and program host Simon Rafe – who is the webmaster at St. Michael's Media, and co-authored its “Saint Michael's Basic Training” apologetics course – had also written the “adult” role-playing game “Castle Dracula,” and fan-fiction depicting ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in the Star Wars universe. Per cna



Ok, let's form a checklist of deviant individuals from St. Michael's Media:

1. Anthony "Tridentine" Perlas, pornographer.
2. Simon Rafe
3. Michael Voris

Feel free to add as more are revealed!



Where did you get the "Truth" part from?

And who planted the "time-bomb"?  And why?  To discredit traditionals?  Who needs Voris to do that - the neo-Catholics do a fine enough job smearing us all the while being more cold, calculating and phony than any Traditional I have ever met.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 25, 2016, 11:26:32 AM
Quote from: Croixalist
Quote
But, it is really quite a risk and courageous to come out and admit that truth on his part, and I think he is owed some credit for that.


Fell for it. But so did Louie Verrechio:

https://akacatholic.com/michael-voris-beating-the-devil-to-the-punch/

If having a live-in boyfriend and engaging in ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ sins for over 20 years is the new lukewarm, then I guess Amoris Laetitia has had more of an effect on us than I thought!

Why do people assume he's telling the truth about giving up that "lifestyle"? He lied about being a regular Joe-Novus-Ordo Catholic, he lied about being a traditional Catholic, and the timing of his public stances are aligned with major actions from the Vatican.

So here's the real question: how deeply entrenched is the "gαy lobby" satanic sex cult? Provided below is a choice article that hardly anyone noticed during the Pope Benedict Era.

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2072613,00.html?xid=rss-world

Here are a few excerpts:
Quote
Priest Sex-Abuse Case Hits Church of Pope's Adviser
By Alessandra Pieracci and Giacomo Galeazzi / La Stampa / Worldcrunch Thursday, May 19, 2011

(GENOA) — The latest sex-abuse case to rock the Catholic Church is unfolding in the archdiocese of an influential Italian Cardinal who has been working with Pope Benedict XVI on reforms to respond to prior scandals of pedophile priests.

Father Riccardo Seppia, a 51-year-old parish priest in the village of Sastri Ponente, near Genoa, was arrested last Friday, May 13, on pedophilia and drug charges. Investigators say that in tapped mobile-phone conversations, Seppia asked a Moroccan drug dealer to arrange sɛҳuąƖ encounters with young and vulnerable boys. "I do not want 16-year-old boys but younger. Fourteen-year-olds are O.K. Look for needy boys who have family issues," he allegedly said. Genoa Archbishop Angelo Bagnasco, who is the head of the Italian Bishops Conference, had been working with Benedict to establish a tough new worldwide policy, released this week, on how bishops should handle accusations of priestly sex abuse.

...

According to investigators, Seppia told a friend — a former seminarian and barman who is currently under investigation — that the town's malls were the best places to entice minors. In tapped phone conversations the two cursed and swore against God. The priest is charged with having attempted to kiss and touch an underage altar boy and of having exchanged cocaine for sɛҳuąƖ intercourse with boys over 18.

...

The investigation is ongoing.


And what happened to this filthy beast? Nine years in prison. He's served 4 up to now.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-05/04/c_131567145.htm

I will supply the next piece of info as the Dailymail is a notoriously shameless rag, but so far it's one of the only outlets covering the story after a year!

Quote
Judge Bossi dismissed his apologies and sentenced him to four years, two months and twenty days for the sex abuse and attempted child prostitution charges and five years and four months for the drug offences, making a total of nine and a half years. He was also fined €28,000 (£22,700).


Be warned before clicking the link, the side stories are filled with impure garbage.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2139479/Ricardo-Seppia-Paedophile-priest-jailed-abusing-altar-boys-supplying-cocaine.html


Which means if this man hadn't had any drug charges, he'd be a free man as we speak! They actually gave him more time for drugs than going after psychologically damaged children. This man needs to be put to death.


How about the seminarian in San Diego who was arrested for having sex with - wait for this one as it boggles your mind - infants.  Yes, infants.  

God have mercy on us please.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 25, 2016, 11:32:06 AM
Quote from: Caraffa
Quote from: Croixalist
The Voris Timeline:

1981-1991 Slept around with men and women. Hasn't ruled out animals.

...

Truth: He was a planted time-bomb within the traditionalist community and is most likely a very active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ whose services are in high demand from the satanic gαy-sex cult currently operating under the guise of the Catholic Church. That's why you'll never see any of his ex-boyfriends come forward. Ever wondered how traditionalists must seem to the Satanic Elite? Here is their facsimile of one!



I think you've got it Croixalist. Voris may have already revealed as such by dropping hints. See this: http://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/vort-2015-12-03

Quote from: Gary Michael Voris
When I was a sophomore at Notre Dame, I met this establishment up close and personal, and believe me, there isn't a thing "nice" about the Church of Nice. Near the end of my sophomore year, I started receiving anonymous letters through campus mail. At first they were innocent enough. I thought that my roommates or other buds were goofing with me. But then they turned dark, laying out sɛҳuąƖ fantasizing with me at the center of it all. I took all this to a priest on campus who advised me to wait out the storm for the rest of the semester since it was almost over. Nothing more happened — until summer school.  

The priest I had gone to for counsel was away on vacation and sent me a letter admitting that he was the author of all the other letters and cards. I was 19. He was a priest. I was at Notre Dame, where I had wanted to go my entire life, even trying out to be leprechaun. Notre Dame was my world. The Church environment was my world. And this man, in whom I had confided my fears, turned out to be the very man who was the cause of it all.


I haven't watched any of the Vortex in a while, but I wouldn't be surprised if Voris was already prepping his audience for the big reveal. It goes even further back than last year. Five or six years ago, Voris said in one of his videos that homos are more loved by God than heteros because of their "cross". Assuming he's a plant, one of his goals is likely to change the views of Traditional Catholics in regard to fαɢɢօtry.


I wonder if the priest from Notre Dame was the one that they later found dead.  He was heavily into sado-masochism.  There was an article about him after his death that appeared in Michael Jones' old magazine.  Can't recall the priest's name right now - I think his last name began with an "R".
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 25, 2016, 11:44:52 AM
Quote from: Guest
Where did you get the "Truth" part from?

And who planted the "time-bomb"?  And why?  To discredit traditionals?  Who needs Voris to do that - the neo-Catholics do a fine enough job smearing us all the while being more cold, calculating and phony than any Traditional I have ever met.


It's my deduction. If you look up a certain Father Ricardo Seppia, you might realize how far up it goes. He was one of the advisors to the Pope on Pedophilia! (http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2072613,00.html?xid=rss-world)

I'm not saying as others do that every single priest, bishop and cardinal is in line with this Satanic garbage, but they have sufficient numbers and influence to do whatever they feel like doing and it's all across the social spectrum right now in case you hadn't noticed. The ones that aren't part of it have chosen to tepidly go along with the crowd instead of martyrdom, and that's pretty much the story throughout the entire Crisis in my opinion.

I'd have to strongly disagree with your statement that the enemies of the Church do more damage out in the open than when they operate secretively. Spies and traitors stand by the heart of their enemy and when they do manage a successful blow, it's far more likely to be fatal. Trust causes us to let our guard down. Perhaps one of the lessons Christ wanted to convey during his Passion was just this. Who do you think wounded him more? The Romans, the Jєωs, or one of his trusted Apostles? Which one of those initiated the events that lead to the Passion in the first place?

I leave it to you!

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 25, 2016, 03:14:41 PM
Quote from: Guest
Banned just now from Lifesite news comments for saying:

I am a father of seven. Four of them boys.
Knowing what we know now about MV, would you trust an all-boys apostolate to a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ who actively engaged (that we know of)in that sinful life for 15-years?
Bluntly: Would you send you sons here knowing what you know now?

(This is a good way to take the pulse of the mindset of today’s traditional Catholics)
I quote from CMTV’s site:

St. Michael’s Media
“Lord Jesus, use us to save souls, keep us always faithful to Your commandments, and
never let me be parted from you.”
Saint Michael’s Media is an effort to bring the new evangelization and the lay apostolate to the new media, and to embody the spiritual works of mercy of instructing the ignorant, admonishing the sinner, and teaching the Catholic faith. Our work is dedicated to saving our own souls by making ourselves available to Our Blessed Lord to be used to help save other souls. It is in this spirit that we want to share our apostolic work with young men (18-25 years of age, with minimum of a high school degree) still discerning how they might best serve Christ and His Church, as they seek to respond to the call of the Holy Spirit in their lives (emphasis on, but not limited to, former seminarians and those currently discerning).

So, we are embarking on a new endeavor we call PAUSE: a twelve-month program, structured roughly around a traditional academic calendar in which candidates learn deeply about the Catholic Faith by taking a “pause” from their current life circuмstances and come to pray/discern/study/work/live with other like-minded individuals who desire to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit, and how best to serve the Church.

The program is directed toward young men who feel a deep desire to be at the service of the Church in this current time of Her great need, but who may not have had the opportunity to discern exactly how they can best do this, whether through a religious vocation, a vocation to marriage, or a dedication to the life of lay consecrated celibacy.

SPIRITUAL WORK
In response to the Holy Father’s urgent and repeated calls for a New Evangelization,* and his desire that the tools of modern social communications be employed to their fullest, St. Michael’s Media has dedicated itself to a rigorous defense and promotion of the Holy Catholic Faith using precisely these means. All candidates will be very exposed to this work and undergo training for full incorporation into the daily public work in which we are engaged.

Discerners will live in close contact with laymen who have dedicated themselves to apostolic celibacy at the service of the apostolate and at the service of Holy Mother Church.

Application Process:
Phase I:
Initial online application/Inquiry (basic info/demographics/questionnaire)
Objective Statement / Submission of a simple video (Why am I interested? (100 words; 2 minutes)


Why would you be banned from Lifesite for being a real man and stating the truth.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 25, 2016, 04:03:51 PM
Here's the transcript the aftermath response.

Quote


The response to the last "Vortex" has no words that would adequately describe it. Incredible, over the top , doesn't matter how it's expressed; it would all sound cliché.

I want to express my deep abiding gratitude for the show of support, kindness and compassion. Thousands of comments, emails and texts have brought me much solace, as well as the staff and close friends of the apostolate. It has been, in a word, overwhelming.

If not all, I have read a huge number of the messages pouring in, and if you would allow me a small reflection on the many beautiful responses.

It seems to me that beyond the specific point of that "Vortex," many people have recognized in it their own stories, albeit with all kinds of different circuмstances, for the most part. They have read, seen and shared or at the very least contemplated either their own story of how merciful God has been, or worked up the fortitude to now reach out to Our Heavenly Father for His mercy. Not such a bad thing in the Year of Mercy.  

Even after forgiveness, there is still the fallen human nature tendency to forget or let the awareness of it fade from our conscious minds. Understandable, again, given the fallenness of our human condition, even in a state of grace. But however understandable, gratitude is a virtue we must always strive to stir up inside ourselves. From gratitude comes joy, because gratitude always keeps the mercy of God before our eyes. All of this fits together.

Just as sin has consequences that have a knock-on effect, so too does being granted mercy and being brought back to the embrace of our Father. The cup is in a constant state of either being filled up, or drained dry, because the life of the soul is dynamic, always in motion. Sometimes it's obvious to us, other times not, but the soul is either drawing closer to God or moving away.

Hearing others' experiences gives the listener a rallying point and something to join his own mind to. If it's bad news, the hearer's mind identifies in that way. If it's good news, then the hearer tends to reflect on good, looking for a way to make the story more of their own. This is a good thing. It's how the "good" news is spread.

On a strictly human level, it's a dim reflection of the Communion of Saints, all of us tapping into that news that is good and then applying it in our own individual circuмstances. Then there is another dynamic at work here which is always present in our work and that of other apostolates that work for the Faith.

It's a fair assessment we can say that many of you tune in to Church Militant because you sense correctly a love of the Catholic Church, which is to say, a love of Our Blessed Lord in His Sacred Bride. This is the primary concern of your lives, as it is ours, that this Church and Her teachings be spread to the farthest regions of the world — but closer to home, that it be spread to the farthest regions of our world, my world — my children, my parents, my siblings, my loved ones, my close friends.

While we objectively want all saved, whom we most want saved are those we know and love and are dearest to us. In that we need encouragement and reinforcement. There's nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with admitting it. It's the truth.

We are weak and can easily become discouraged and concerned and angst-ridden. That's what happens in a fallen world, and nothing's going to change that. What we collectively recognize in personal accounts of changed lives is that the Holy Catholic Church is God's means of providing grace to get through life.

This life is filled with woes. How apt is the term "valley of tears." We can succuмb to the tears — which is very easy to do and in fact our natural response — or we can start the fight (which never ends until we die) and fight through it. There is a reason it's called the Church Militant. This life is a battle, and everyone likes to see the good guys win. Stories of souls being brought back from the dead are just that: victories that give hope. And the source of that hope is Almighty God's Holy Catholic Church.

So good stories inspire because they are examples of not limiting God. While the thousands of comments of support are wonderful, as we said earlier, beyond words, there is another dynamic at work underneath the surface. We must always act in a way in which we are not limiting God.  

Satan did not want that "Vortex" being aired because, with his angelic intelligence, he recognized the potential for souls to reconnect, the potential for people to revel in their own gratitude for God's mercy. And we should always revel in that.  

When any of us, no matter who and no matter for what, turn back to God, we set off an uproarious party in Heaven — in human terms, of course. In heavenly terms, it's even greater. As we hear in the story of the Prodigal Son, we become the guest of honor. We are given back our baptismal dignity, a fine robe, rings on our fingers, a tremendous feast of the fatted calf, an enormous party, noisemakers, fireworks, great music, a huge celebration.

Satan hates that — and too bad for him. He does his work in the shadows of our deep wounds, always keeping them open, always seeping, never beginning to heal. All of this, all that has happened in response to this past "Vortex," is what's going on here. While so many have expressed such support, all of this is what's in the background, going on just off-stage. And isn't that something to be thankful for? Not limiting God and His goodness.

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 25, 2016, 04:20:40 PM
I'm the guy who said earlier was blocked by Lifesite.

(http://i63.tinypic.com/2igyy43.jpg)

Blocked from Lifesite.

You can't tell the truth on that site.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 25, 2016, 06:10:55 PM
I too, got blocked by lifesite.news years ago.  Why?  Because my comment was: show me one true bishop, any clergy of the New Order to be pro-life.  There is zero.  How do we know this?  Show me one dioceses that does not give to Catholic charities and such that give the dioceses grant monies.  There is zero.  To take monies from the federal gov't is providing the abortion leftist monies in hidden programs that would never give you the insight that they are abortion/contraception ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity minded.  Dioceses, New Order is communistic/marxist serving not souls, but state and Government.  Pro-life groups have been known to make the New Order clergy look like they are pro-life and sympathetic to the issue to keep up the appearance of a so-called "catholic" group you can align yourself with and monies.  
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 25, 2016, 06:37:00 PM
Imagine sending a young person to one of his events. A boy would have to sleep with one eye open, lest he suffer a very backside, not Voris I suppose, but from another of his fruits.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 25, 2016, 07:47:41 PM
Quote from: George Michael Voris
The response to the last "Vortex" has no words that would adequately describe it. Incredible, over the top , doesn't matter how it's expressed; it would all sound cliché.


I'll say! Quite a boost for you, Ga(r)y! Your hardliner stance against the evil Francis critics is all but forgotten!

Quote from: George Michael Voris
I want to express my deep abiding gratitude for the show of support, kindness and compassion. Thousands of comments, emails and texts have brought me much solace, as well as the staff and close friends of the apostolate. It has been, in a word, overwhelming.


Hey another fake self-made apostolate. There's a lot of that going around...

Quote from: George Michael Voris
If not all, I have read a huge number of the messages pouring in, and if you would allow me a small reflection on the many beautiful responses.

It seems to me that beyond the specific point of that "Vortex," many people have recognized in it their own stories, albeit with all kinds of different circuмstances, for the most part. They have read, seen and shared or at the very least contemplated either their own story of how merciful God has been, or worked up the fortitude to now reach out to Our Heavenly Father for His mercy. Not such a bad thing in the Year of Mercy.

Oh mercy, mercy me! Another preplanned event for Francis' YOM!

Quote from: George Michael Voris
Even after forgiveness, there is still the fallen human nature tendency to forget or let the awareness of it fade from our conscious minds. Understandable, again, given the fallenness of our human condition, even in a state of grace. But however understandable, gratitude is a virtue we must always strive to stir up inside ourselves. From gratitude comes joy, because gratitude always keeps the mercy of God before our eyes. All of this fits together.


From gαyness comes forgiveness, from forgiveness comes gratitude, from gratitude comes joy! I bet you Gary Michael remembers the joy of being gαy!

Quote from: George Michael Voris
Just as sin has consequences that have a knock-on effect, so too does being granted mercy and being brought back to the embrace of our Father. The cup is in a constant state of either being filled up, or drained dry, because the life of the soul is dynamic, always in motion. Sometimes it's obvious to us, other times not, but the soul is either drawing closer to God or moving away.

Hearing others' experiences gives the listener a rallying point and something to join his own mind to. If it's bad news, the hearer's mind identifies in that way. If it's good news, then the hearer tends to reflect on good, looking for a way to make the story more of their own. This is a good thing. It's how the "good" news is spread.

On a strictly human level, it's a dim reflection of the Communion of Saints, all of us tapping into that news that is good and then applying it in our own individual circuмstances. Then there is another dynamic at work here which is always present in our work and that of other apostolates that work for the Faith.

It's a fair assessment we can say that many of you tune in to Church Militant because you sense correctly a love of the Catholic Church, which is to say, a love of Our Blessed Lord in His Sacred Bride. This is the primary concern of your lives, as it is ours, that this Church and Her teachings be spread to the farthest regions of the world — but closer to home, that it be spread to the farthest regions of our world, my world — my children(LOL), my parents, my siblings, my loved ones, my close friends.

While we objectively want all (proddy language alert!) saved , whom we most want saved are those we know and love and are dearest to us. In that we need encouragement and reinforcement. There's nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with admitting it. It's the truth.

We are weak and can easily become discouraged and concerned and angst-ridden. That's what happens in a fallen world, and nothing's going to change that. What we collectively recognize in personal accounts of changed lives is that the Holy Catholic Church is God's means of providing grace to get through life.

This life is filled with woes. How apt is the term "valley of tears." We can succuмb to the tears — which is very easy to do and in fact our natural response — or we can start the fight (which never ends until we die) and fight through it. There is a reason it's called the Church Militant. This life is a battle, and everyone likes to see the good guys win. Stories of souls being brought back from the dead are just that: victories that give hope. And the source of that hope is Almighty God's Holy Catholic Church.


Did Archbishop Dolan or Fr. Paul Nicholson write that one for you? Overlong, meandering and meaningless.

Quote from: George Michael Voris
So good stories inspire because they are examples of not limiting God. While the thousands of comments of support are wonderful, as we said earlier, beyond words, there is another dynamic at work underneath the surface. We must always act in a way in which we are not limiting God.


Would it be "limiting God" to say he has no time for fake penitents?

Oh but now all Voris' critics are Satan's minions! Wait for it...

Quote from: George Michael Voris
Satan did not want that "Vortex" being aired because, with his angelic intelligence, he recognized the potential for souls to (proddy language alert!) reconnect, the potential for people to revel in their own gratitude for God's mercy. And we should always revel in that.  

When any of us, no matter who and no matter for what, turn back to God, we set off an uproarious party in Heaven — in human terms, of course. In heavenly terms, it's even greater. As we hear in the story of the Prodigal Son, we become the guest of honor. We are given back our baptismal dignity, a fine robe, rings on our fingers, a tremendous feast of the fatted calf, an enormous party, noisemakers, fireworks, great music, a huge celebration.

Satan hates that — and too bad for him. He does his work in the shadows of our deep wounds, always keeping them open, always seeping, never beginning to heal. All of this, all that has happened in response to this past "Vortex," is what's going on here. While so many have expressed such support, all of this is what's in the background, going on just off-stage. And isn't that something to be thankful for? Not limiting God and His goodness.


A minimum of 23 years of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity under his belt and he was healed a year before he even stopped doing it! Wow! Well I for one wouldn't even dream of limiting God to strictly using chaste straight men and women to carry on his message when there are a bunch of lying fαɢɢօts just waiting to be put to good use!

George Michael Voris has the faith, the faith, the faith!
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 25, 2016, 07:56:50 PM
Quote from: Guest
Imagine sending a young person to one of his events. A boy would have to sleep with one eye open, lest he suffer a very backside, not Voris I suppose, but from another of his fruits.


insert sore after backside. Anyhow it's clear enough. On another forum a member who got particularly angry about this revealed later on in the thread that he had a nephew on the Voris-Fr Z cruise. He must have been a little upset or guilty, but he cannot be. Homos like Voris thrive on deceit. No one has said he has not been celibate, so far as as I know, but some of his CMTV crew or hangers on seem a bit off.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 25, 2016, 08:14:16 PM
His "not limiting" spiel was painful to read. Very full of murky doublespeak and gushing about feelings, certainly not the typical style he presents.

I wonder if he's had the reveal and response preplanned for years until something outed him.

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 25, 2016, 08:15:46 PM
Quote from: Guest
His "not limiting" spiel was painful to read. Very full of murky doublespeak and gushing about feelings, certainly not the typical style he presents.

I wonder if he's had the reveal and response preplanned for years until something outed him.


Must have been one hell of a cruise, err, retreat at sea.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 25, 2016, 08:42:21 PM
Quote from: Croixalist

Quote from: George Michael Voris
If not all, I have read a huge number of the messages pouring in, and if you would allow me a small reflection on the many beautiful responses.

It seems to me that beyond the specific point of that "Vortex," many people have recognized in it their own stories, albeit with all kinds of different circuмstances, for the most part. They have read, seen and shared or at the very least contemplated either their own story of how merciful God has been, or worked up the fortitude to now reach out to Our Heavenly Father for His mercy. Not such a bad thing in the Year of Mercy.

Oh mercy, mercy me! Another preplanned event for Francis' YOM!


Mercy mercy mercy!  How opportune.

You wait, he's gonna pull a Jimmy Swaggart here shortly.
Well, another one.

We're all gonna say "How brave!" "He's Lazarus of our times!" "Voris walks on water!"
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 25, 2016, 10:33:36 PM
CMTV did not even hide it.

Here is what PAUSE means:


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pause
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 25, 2016, 10:59:09 PM
Keeps getting better and better. Maybe it was a good idea this is in the Anonymous Forum.... The gαy Mafia is on the prowl, watch out!

Quote from: Guest
CMTV did not even hide it.

Here is what PAUSE means:


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pause


How dare you! The Men of Pause will have hot flashes of divine inspiration to light all our doubts on fire!

 :cowboy:
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: PG on April 25, 2016, 11:22:20 PM
Wow, that pause bit is a nail in the coffin.  
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 25, 2016, 11:33:27 PM
Quote from: Croixalist
Keeps getting better and better. Maybe it was a good idea this is in the Anonymous Forum.... The gαy Mafia is on the prowl, watch out!


Oh shoot! I have it from the highest authority that the Archdiocese is planning on defaming me!
What do I do?  What do I do?

https://youtu.be/TIKz1phnuCc?t=2m28s (https://youtu.be/TIKz1phnuCc?t=2m28s)
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 25, 2016, 11:47:05 PM
Quote from: Croixalist
Keeps getting better and better. Maybe it was a good idea this is in the Anonymous Forum.... The gαy Mafia is on the prowl, watch out!

Quote from: Guest
CMTV did not even hide it.

Here is what PAUSE means:


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pause


How dare you! The Men of Pause will have hot flashes of divine inspiration to light all our doubts on fire!

 :cowboy:

Even the dates on that thar' definition check out with Voris' 2003-2004 "reversion".
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 25, 2016, 11:56:18 PM
I guess "No Homo" was already taken.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Gag Hogan Ilium on April 26, 2016, 12:10:11 AM
So what's the verdict?  CMTV conceived in iniquity, born in sin?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 26, 2016, 12:15:15 AM
Quote from: Croixalist


Here's a quick quiz:

gαy man gone Catholic or gαy man gone clubbing?

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-35x_bWQXuUI/UXBgK47McXI/AAAAAAAAAkM/dPT4P6Xptt0/s1600/mike+voris+ottawa+003.JPG)

Open shirt down to mid chest, no t-shirt. Oozing repentance! St. Benedict approves?


What's up with the ring on his left hand? Did he get gαy married too?

I think his sudden, very slick, very expensively produced appearance on the Catholic scene was highly suspicious.

It brings to mind the question, "Who sent you?"

And only one group uses THAT phrase.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 26, 2016, 12:26:50 AM
Quote from: Guest
Imagine sending a young person to one of his events. A boy would have to sleep with one eye open, lest he suffer a very backside, not Voris I suppose, but from another of his fruits.


(https://i0.wp.com/45.media.tumblr.com/ced7bd77f5cb5a76a42d02e73b2de877/tumblr_moin44ETgh1rhqm6eo1_r7_400.gif)
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Gag Hogan Ilium on April 26, 2016, 12:29:37 AM
We were warned.

January 1st, 2011

Quote from: Truelogic
But seriously Michael Voris, someone told me that you were actually gαy but preach against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs like Ted Haggard did.  So tell us in the name of God, are you really gαy or do you just appear to be.


June 29th, 2014

Quote from: Judicious
Ping! Ping! Ping! goes the gαydar everytime I see this guy vortexing his little pencil.


February 23, 2014

Quote from: Mike
For the record: Mike is gαy, and though he may not live that life anymore, he certainly used to. It is important to know this so his comments about ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity can be seen from all perspectives.

When I came out as a gαy man in 1999, Mike Voris was the first man I went on a date with. We “met” on a phone dating line, and I went to his home in Southfield. Although he didn’t have an interest in me romantically, we did sleep together frequently and he asked me to <see link if you really want to read indecency>, which I did. We became friends, and I spent a lot of time there. I house sat when he went to visit his Mom in New York, took care of his dog, and slept there more often than not for about a year. Mike told me about his long-term partner Brian, and how he sadly passed away from AIDS-related complications in the mid-1990s. Mike met another man, a Pronto (gαy bar in Royal Oak, MI) bartender who’s name escapes me, and they made their home in Pleasant Ridge, MI. I visited Mike there one time. When his mother passed, I sang at the funeral.


https://truelogic.wordpress.com/2011/01/30/michael-voris-the-vortex-has-no-proof-for-any-of-his-claims/
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 26, 2016, 01:21:14 AM
Quote from: Gag Hogan Ilium
We were warned.

January 1st, 2011

Quote from: Truelogic
But seriously Michael Voris, someone told me that you were actually gαy but preach against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs like Ted Haggard did.  So tell us in the name of God, are you really gαy or do you just appear to be.


June 29th, 2014

Quote from: Judicious
Ping! Ping! Ping! goes the gαydar everytime I see this guy vortexing his little pencil.


February 23, 2014

Quote from: Mike
For the record: Mike is gαy, and though he may not live that life anymore, he certainly used to. It is important to know this so his comments about ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity can be seen from all perspectives.

When I came out as a gαy man in 1999, Mike Voris was the first man I went on a date with. We “met” on a phone dating line, and I went to his home in Southfield. Although he didn’t have an interest in me romantically, we did sleep together frequently and he asked me to <see link if you really want to read indecency>, which I did. We became friends, and I spent a lot of time there. I house sat when he went to visit his Mom in New York, took care of his dog, and slept there more often than not for about a year. Mike told me about his long-term partner Brian, and how he sadly passed away from AIDS-related complications in the mid-1990s. Mike met another man, a Pronto (gαy bar in Royal Oak, MI) bartender who’s name escapes me, and they made their home in Pleasant Ridge, MI. I visited Mike there one time. When his mother passed, I sang at the funeral.


https://truelogic.wordpress.com/2011/01/30/michael-voris-the-vortex-has-no-proof-for-any-of-his-claims/


So he had his actively gαy ex-lover sing at his mother's funeral? I can't help but admire his personal "touch".

That's a tough blog to get through, though. Yeah. It might be interesting to note that this "Mike" character posted right around the time Voris put out his manifesto against Papal criticism.

Too bad we have no way of confirming who the singer was at the funeral!
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 26, 2016, 02:14:42 AM
Quote from: Croixalist
Quote from: Gag Hogan Ilium
We were warned.

January 1st, 2011

Quote from: Truelogic
But seriously Michael Voris, someone told me that you were actually gαy but preach against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs like Ted Haggard did.  So tell us in the name of God, are you really gαy or do you just appear to be.


June 29th, 2014

Quote from: Judicious
Ping! Ping! Ping! goes the gαydar everytime I see this guy vortexing his little pencil.


February 23, 2014

Quote from: Mike
For the record: Mike is gαy, and though he may not live that life anymore, he certainly used to. It is important to know this so his comments about ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity can be seen from all perspectives.

When I came out as a gαy man in 1999, Mike Voris was the first man I went on a date with. We “met” on a phone dating line, and I went to his home in Southfield. Although he didn’t have an interest in me romantically, we did sleep together frequently and he asked me to <see link if you really want to read indecency>, which I did. We became friends, and I spent a lot of time there. I house sat when he went to visit his Mom in New York, took care of his dog, and slept there more often than not for about a year. Mike told me about his long-term partner Brian, and how he sadly passed away from AIDS-related complications in the mid-1990s. Mike met another man, a Pronto (gαy bar in Royal Oak, MI) bartender who’s name escapes me, and they made their home in Pleasant Ridge, MI. I visited Mike there one time. When his mother passed, I sang at the funeral.


https://truelogic.wordpress.com/2011/01/30/michael-voris-the-vortex-has-no-proof-for-any-of-his-claims/


So he had his actively gαy ex-lover sing at his mother's funeral? I can't help but admire his personal "touch".

That's a tough blog to get through, though. Yeah. It might be interesting to note that this "Mike" character posted right around the time Voris put out his manifesto against Papal criticism.

Too bad we have no way of confirming who the singer was at the funeral!

True. His fame had one hell of a reach,around the time of his mothers passing.  
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 26, 2016, 02:34:21 AM
From a blog, a commentator, upon seeing Voris for the first time (he viewed the limiting God vortex) says this:


"He has tell-tale facial lipodystrophy associated with some HIV medications. So he contracts HIV, has a spiritual crisis, decides God is punishing him, and returns to the Catholic church. Now a life of major denial and self-flagellation."

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/04/michael-voris/
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 26, 2016, 03:01:26 AM
Quote from: Guest
From a blog, a commentator, upon seeing Voris for the first time (he viewed the limiting God vortex) says this:


"He has tell-tale facial lipodystrophy associated with some HIV medications. So he contracts HIV, has a spiritual crisis, decides God is punishing him, and returns to the Catholic church. Now a life of major denial and self-flagellation."

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/04/michael-voris/


I have always wondered about his face. I thought he was in a major accident or something.

If this is true, it would make sense and it would explain the reason he says he's a "consecrated celibate".
He would go to jail if he passed on the virus to someone. Since, he would know he has it beforehand.
This of course would be in the case if he does and knows he has HIV.
 
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 26, 2016, 03:16:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yMjsOYDcfE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yMjsOYDcfE)
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 26, 2016, 05:01:22 AM
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Guest
His "not limiting" spiel was painful to read. Very full of murky doublespeak and gushing about feelings, certainly not the typical style he presents.

I wonder if he's had the reveal and response preplanned for years until something outed him.


Must have been one hell of a cruise, err, retreat at sea.


There'd be no escape unless you can swim oceans. :scared2:
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 26, 2016, 05:03:31 AM
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Guest
From a blog, a commentator, upon seeing Voris for the first time (he viewed the limiting God vortex) says this:


"He has tell-tale facial lipodystrophy associated with some HIV medications. So he contracts HIV, has a spiritual crisis, decides God is punishing him, and returns to the Catholic church. Now a life of major denial and self-flagellation."

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/04/michael-voris/


I have always wondered about his face. I thought he was in a major accident or something.

If this is true, it would make sense and it would explain the reason he says he's a "consecrated celibate".
He would go to jail if he passed on the virus to someone. Since, he would know he has it beforehand.
This of course would be in the case if he does and knows he has HIV.
 


That puts his celibacy in a new light. He probably has some character of a change of mind. Perhaps his mother's prayer's helped him, but if Michael Voris has HIV, celibacy would just be basic prudence, with little of the sacred about it.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 26, 2016, 07:04:33 AM
Quote from: Guest

I have always wondered about his face. I thought he was in a major accident or something.


 


My first impression was "burn victim."  

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: LaramieHirsch on April 26, 2016, 07:49:26 AM
Quote from: Guest
From a blog, a commentator, upon seeing Voris for the first time (he viewed the limiting God vortex) says this:


"He has tell-tale facial lipodystrophy associated with some HIV medications. So he contracts HIV, has a spiritual crisis, decides God is punishing him, and returns to the Catholic church. Now a life of major denial and self-flagellation."

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/04/michael-voris/


While this is probably likely, that he is treating HIV--still, whatever it takes to make a person turn around.  If it took HIV to make Voris do a double-take, then so be it.  It's his soul that matters.  

Even if Voris did a 180 overnight, I won't even be critical of that.  One minute, St. Paul was killing Christians.  The next minute, he was preaching to them.  So I will not judge Voris on the appearance of his duplicity.  

No.  I WILL, however judge Michael Voris and CMTV on their bashing of people who critically and legitimately look at Pope Francis, their irrational hostility towards the Society, and their cultish thought control through their comment boxes.  All of that...madness.  No quarter for them when it comes to those three.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 26, 2016, 08:17:56 AM
I never knew what lipodystrophy was until I just saw that. Makes sense that if one of his sodomy partners died of aids, he could be a carrier.

So maybe the hiv AND his mother dying pushed him towards running towards the church.

With all this damaging past if he was sincere he should have mentioned it a long time ago instead of last week when others pressed to out him.

He hasn't any authority to speak on matters. I bet the sodomites are sure laughing at all the tradionial Catholics now as they have one of their own in place. All these well wishes to him and cheers are sickening and just leading more to compromise.

 :mad:
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 26, 2016, 08:47:14 AM
Quote from: Guest
From a blog, a commentator, upon seeing Voris for the first time (he viewed the limiting God vortex) says this:


"He has tell-tale facial lipodystrophy associated with some HIV medications. So he contracts HIV, has a spiritual crisis, decides God is punishing him, and returns to the Catholic church. Now a life of major denial and self-flagellation."

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/04/michael-voris/


Not necessarily. The lack of fat on his face is indicative of someone who works out too much. You see it in bodybuilders occasionally and anorexics too. That he has unusually developed jawline and additional scarring suggests he may have taken certain "supplements" to aid in muscle growth. Steroids, growth hormone? For a man who is approaching 60, he looks to be somewhere in the 90th percentile of physical fitness.

That at least would fit with his gαy lifestyle: the gαy community is notorious for having men obsessed with their bodies and staying fit.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Gag Hogan Ilium on April 26, 2016, 09:44:44 AM
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Even if Voris did a 180 overnight,


He didn't.

Quote
One minute, St. Paul was killing Christians.  The next minute, he was preaching to them.


St. Paul didn't start a boys' club called N.O. H.O.M.O.

Quote
So I will not judge Voris on the appearance of his duplicity.


:facepalm:
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 26, 2016, 09:53:27 AM
Quote from: Croixalist
Quote from: Guest
From a blog, a commentator, upon seeing Voris for the first time (he viewed the limiting God vortex) says this:


"He has tell-tale facial lipodystrophy associated with some HIV medications. So he contracts HIV, has a spiritual crisis, decides God is punishing him, and returns to the Catholic church. Now a life of major denial and self-flagellation."

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/04/michael-voris/


Not necessarily. The lack of fat on his face is indicative of someone who works out too much. You see it in bodybuilders occasionally and anorexics too. That he has unusually developed jawline and additional scarring suggests he may have taken certain "supplements" to aid in muscle growth. Steroids, growth hormone? For a man who is approaching 60, he looks to be somewhere in the 90th percentile of physical fitness.

That at least would fit with his gαy lifestyle: the gαy community is notorious for having men obsessed with their bodies and staying fit.


Wow, this is so terrible and shameful in so many levels.

Scandals like this just make Traditional Catholics look BAD and FOOL. This is the last thing we need....
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 26, 2016, 09:56:04 AM
Quote from: Gag Hogan Ilium
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Even if Voris did a 180 overnight,


He didn't.

Quote
One minute, St. Paul was killing Christians.  The next minute, he was preaching to them.


St. Paul didn't start a boys' club called N.O. H.O.M.O.

Quote
So I will not judge Voris on the appearance of his duplicity.


:facepalm:


Oh please, do not have the nerve to compare great St. Paul to Michael Voris!!!!!! It is an insult

St. Paul was not a SODOMITE.  Sodomy is particularly disgusting, revolting. Even the devil flees from this sin. Of course, I think that with divine grace he can really change and start all new and ersa his past but he should not be a public celebrity and there is something wrong he was not honest about the whole thing.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 26, 2016, 05:48:54 PM
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Gag Hogan Ilium
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Even if Voris did a 180 overnight,


He didn't.

Quote
One minute, St. Paul was killing Christians.  The next minute, he was preaching to them.


St. Paul didn't start a boys' club called N.O. H.O.M.O.

Quote
So I will not judge Voris on the appearance of his duplicity.


:facepalm:


Oh please, do not have the nerve to compare great St. Paul to Michael Voris!!!!!! It is an insult

St. Paul was not a SODOMITE.  Sodomy is particularly disgusting, revolting. Even the devil flees from this sin. Of course, I think that with divine grace he can really change and start all new and ersa his past but he should not be a public celebrity and there is something wrong he was not honest about the whole thing.


But he is being compared to St. Agustin. And his mother (RIP) to St. Monica.
Here shortly, he will be walking on water.
Mercy! Mercy!
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 26, 2016, 05:49:51 PM
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Gag Hogan Ilium
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Even if Voris did a 180 overnight,


He didn't.

Quote
One minute, St. Paul was killing Christians.  The next minute, he was preaching to them.


St. Paul didn't start a boys' club called N.O. H.O.M.O.

Quote
So I will not judge Voris on the appearance of his duplicity.


:facepalm:


Oh please, do not have the nerve to compare great St. Paul to Michael Voris!!!!!! It is an insult

St. Paul was not a SODOMITE.  Sodomy is particularly disgusting, revolting. Even the devil flees from this sin. Of course, I think that with divine grace he can really change and start all new and ersa his past but he should not be a public celebrity and there is something wrong he was not honest about the whole thing.


If you ask me, Voris was a shill from the beginning and is still one today.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 26, 2016, 05:50:07 PM
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/04/25/anti-gαy-catholic-activist-admits-he-used-to-have-gαy-sex-but-apparently-god-rescued-him/comments/#disqus_thread (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/04/25/anti-gαy-catholic-activist-admits-he-used-to-have-gαy-sex-but-apparently-god-rescued-him/comments/#disqus_thread)
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: LaramieHirsch on April 27, 2016, 02:11:45 AM
Quote from: Guest


St. Paul was not a SODOMITE.  Sodomy is particularly disgusting, revolting.  


So, killing Christians is quite repentable and easy to come out of, but sodomy is just a black hole that's dripping with hell, and there's no escape?



Look, I'm not a huge fan of CMTV, and I'm no fan of queers.  But we are Catholics, here.  Repentance, conversion...all that?  It's sort of what we're about.  

The way I see it, we have two possibilities.  

#1.  Voris is sincere, and he's done a fantastic conversion from an evil lifestyle, and now he just needs to perfect himself and his company, and stop being hypocritical with their attacks on the SSPX, those critical of Pope Francis, and they need to be charitable in their com boxes.  They're not perfect, and they need work.  

or

#2.  Voris is insincere, has been holding out on everyone this entire time, and CMTV is only there to fulfill his own hubris, or something.  Or maybe, just make money.  Something like that.  


I can see either of these being the case, but I'll lean towards #1.  I won't be avidly watching the Vortex on a weekly basis or anything, but if they come out with some sort of bombshell expose on a corrupt situation or a bad cardinal or something, then I'll take it.  That's always been my approach to CMTV.  

Like the saying goes: Hope for the best, expect the worst.

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: LaramieHirsch on April 27, 2016, 02:38:05 AM
Bah.  

On the other hand, someone said this:

Quote
Voris came into the Trad land and pooped all over. Trashing SSPX, the Remnant, and CFN. The gall of this homo after living almost 20 years as one. He comes and starts trashing what we suffered for and built up for the last 50 years.

Damn we are so gullible. (I must admit quite a few of you saw through him from the start)

Now we should all know why he was so way off half of the time. He is a very disordered individual.


How can I disagree with this?  This, also, makes sense.

I dunno.  The whole operation over there is a disaster.  Has been or a few years, now.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 27, 2016, 08:13:30 AM
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Bah.  

On the other hand, someone said this:

Quote
Voris came into the Trad land and pooped all over. Trashing SSPX, the Remnant, and CFN. The gall of this homo after living almost 20 years as one. He comes and starts trashing what we suffered for and built up for the last 50 years.

Damn we are so gullible. (I must admit quite a few of you saw through him from the start)

Now we should all know why he was so way off half of the time. He is a very disordered individual.


How can I disagree with this?  This, also, makes sense.

I dunno.  The whole operation over there is a disaster.  Has been or a few years, now.


Hey uh Laramie, didn't we just go through this?  :laugh1:

Anyway, I found the porn producer from Lifesitenews and uh... he was jailed a few months back for having molested a teenage girl for a few years. No wonder I can't find his old articles. He always came off like an arrogant proddy piece of trash. And lookee here, another whore outreach! Way to go Lifesite. You sure know how to pick 'em! Not Catholic? No problem! It says he was Catholic but in truth he was as "born again" as they come...

Donny Pauling's bio is still up though!

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/author/donny-pauling

He only got 6 years with 3 served already. Can you believe this garbage?

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/pauling-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison/article_a3c4e2fc-89b5-11e5-9f0e-5f35c6d9cdb6.html

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 27, 2016, 11:02:16 AM
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Bah.  

On the other hand, someone said this:

Quote
Voris came into the Trad land and pooped all over. Trashing SSPX, the Remnant, and CFN. The gall of this homo after living almost 20 years as one. He comes and starts trashing what we suffered for and built up for the last 50 years.

Damn we are so gullible. (I must admit quite a few of you saw through him from the start)

Now we should all know why he was so way off half of the time. He is a very disordered individual.


How can I disagree with this?  This, also, makes sense.

I dunno.  The whole operation over there is a disaster.  Has been or a few years, now.


What do you mean?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 27, 2016, 11:17:20 AM
What I mean is that they are talented and are doing a decent job so what would be the problem?

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 27, 2016, 11:23:09 AM
Quote from: Croixalist
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Bah.  

On the other hand, someone said this:

Quote
Voris came into the Trad land and pooped all over. Trashing SSPX, the Remnant, and CFN. The gall of this homo after living almost 20 years as one. He comes and starts trashing what we suffered for and built up for the last 50 years.

Damn we are so gullible. (I must admit quite a few of you saw through him from the start)

Now we should all know why he was so way off half of the time. He is a very disordered individual.


How can I disagree with this?  This, also, makes sense.

I dunno.  The whole operation over there is a disaster.  Has been or a few years, now.


Hey uh Laramie, didn't we just go through this?  :laugh1:

Anyway, I found the porn producer from Lifesitenews and uh... he was jailed a few months back for having molested a teenage girl for a few years. No wonder I can't find his old articles. He always came off like an arrogant proddy piece of trash. And lookee here, another whore outreach! Way to go Lifesite. You sure know how to pick 'em! Not Catholic? No problem! It says he was Catholic but in truth he was as "born again" as they come...

Donny Pauling's bio is still up though!

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/author/donny-pauling

He only got 6 years with 3 served already. Can you believe this garbage?

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/pauling-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison/article_a3c4e2fc-89b5-11e5-9f0e-5f35c6d9cdb6.html



Thanks for this info, croixalist.

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 27, 2016, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Croixalist
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Bah.  

On the other hand, someone said this:

Quote
Voris came into the Trad land and pooped all over. Trashing SSPX, the Remnant, and CFN. The gall of this homo after living almost 20 years as one. He comes and starts trashing what we suffered for and built up for the last 50 years.

Damn we are so gullible. (I must admit quite a few of you saw through him from the start)

Now we should all know why he was so way off half of the time. He is a very disordered individual.


How can I disagree with this?  This, also, makes sense.

I dunno.  The whole operation over there is a disaster.  Has been or a few years, now.


Hey uh Laramie, didn't we just go through this?  :laugh1:

Anyway, I found the porn producer from Lifesitenews and uh... he was jailed a few months back for having molested a teenage girl for a few years. No wonder I can't find his old articles. He always came off like an arrogant proddy piece of trash. And lookee here, another whore outreach! Way to go Lifesite. You sure know how to pick 'em! Not Catholic? No problem! It says he was Catholic but in truth he was as "born again" as they come...

Donny Pauling's bio is still up though!

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/author/donny-pauling

He only got 6 years with 3 served already. Can you believe this garbage?

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/pauling-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison/article_a3c4e2fc-89b5-11e5-9f0e-5f35c6d9cdb6.html



I don't want to assume what you are saying so please tell me.

This doesn't look good at all.  Is there no one decent Catholic left today that can do these jobs without having a past that would make St. Mary of Egypt blush?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 27, 2016, 01:33:43 PM
Since Michael Vorishill bashed the SSPX is this proof the SSPX is right?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 27, 2016, 02:27:32 PM
Quote from: Guest


This doesn't look good at all.  Is there no one decent Catholic left today that can do these jobs without having a past that would make St. Mary of Egypt blush?


St. Mary's repentance and conversion is quite a departure from Voris' "repentance and reversion".


After this heart-felt conversion at the doors of the church, she fled into the desert to live as an ascetic. She survived for years on only three loaves of bread and thereafter on scarce herbs of the land. For another seventeen years, Mary was tormented by "wild beasts—mad desires and passions." After these years of temptation, however, she overcame the passions and was led by the Theotokos in all things.
Following 47 years in solitude, she met the priest St. Zosima in the desert, who pleaded with her to tell him of her life.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 27, 2016, 03:03:51 PM
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Guest

I have always wondered about his face. I thought he was in a major accident or something.


 


My first impression was "burn victim."  


Charlie sheen will here shorly start looking more and more like a "burn victim" himself:
(http://archivoimg.globovision.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/charliesheen.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-flwxW2aKRm0/UXWvkKbAQMI/AAAAAAAAAkc/rpwE77DrKow/s1600/mike+voris+ottawa+003.JPG)
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 27, 2016, 03:13:57 PM
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Guest

I have always wondered about his face. I thought he was in a major accident or something.


 


My first impression was "burn victim."  


Charlie sheen will here shorly start looking more and more like a "burn victim" himself:
(http://archivoimg.globovision.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/charliesheen.jpg)


Yeah
(http://www.churchmilitant.com/images/uploads/news_feature/MICHAEL_VORIS_(1).png)
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 27, 2016, 03:55:24 PM
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Croixalist
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Bah.  

On the other hand, someone said this:

Quote
Voris came into the Trad land and pooped all over. Trashing SSPX, the Remnant, and CFN. The gall of this homo after living almost 20 years as one. He comes and starts trashing what we suffered for and built up for the last 50 years.

Damn we are so gullible. (I must admit quite a few of you saw through him from the start)

Now we should all know why he was so way off half of the time. He is a very disordered individual.


How can I disagree with this?  This, also, makes sense.

I dunno.  The whole operation over there is a disaster.  Has been or a few years, now.


Hey uh Laramie, didn't we just go through this?  :laugh1:

Anyway, I found the porn producer from Lifesitenews and uh... he was jailed a few months back for having molested a teenage girl for a few years. No wonder I can't find his old articles. He always came off like an arrogant proddy piece of trash. And lookee here, another whore outreach! Way to go Lifesite. You sure know how to pick 'em! Not Catholic? No problem! It says he was Catholic but in truth he was as "born again" as they come...

Donny Pauling's bio is still up though!

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/author/donny-pauling

He only got 6 years with 3 served already. Can you believe this garbage?

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/pauling-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison/article_a3c4e2fc-89b5-11e5-9f0e-5f35c6d9cdb6.html



I don't want to assume what you are saying so please tell me.

This doesn't look good at all.  Is there no one decent Catholic left today that can do these jobs without having a past that would make St. Mary of Egypt blush?


You left out in your possible scenarios that he is a plant working to discredit the Latin Mass Community. He is insincere and he is working to destroy the Church. All of his anti-gαy rhetoric will now be filed under absurd self-hatred. To the outsiders, everyone against the LGBT movement is suspected to be in the closet, this only confirms the popular notion. For the insiders we are forced to take in that past lifestyle and accept it now that he is repentant. It's kind of traumatizing when you think about it.

Public sins must be accounted for publicly, and as far as I can see he is not stepping down from anything. His "apostolate" will continue stronger than ever, with new "homophobic" and "God-limiter" cards to use against his critics.

BTW, did you notice that he read off his "confession" with the exact same delivery as he does every other story he's done? This confirms my belief that A) this is not his own true story and that B) he is not his own man and he reads his script the same way every time.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 27, 2016, 04:02:19 PM
Here is a quote from Greg @ SD.
Quite poignant.

I quote:

"This is my objection to him continuing to be the public face of CMTV.

1. I doubt his repentance is sincere or at least fully "dealt with"

a. 20 years of sodomy from 25-44 is a very long time and a very conscious adult decision.
b. He didn't admit his past until 10 years into his apostolate.
c. ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are master manipulators and liars and he is a media savvy ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. That means he has ALL of the tools to fool people and elicit their sympathy. Of all the candidates who could look sincere but be insincere Voris would have to be one of the most qualified.
d. The dates on his conversion story don't wash with the story.

2. Where's the humility? A semi-intelligent look at the Traditional Catholic position would at the very least have to acknowledge the debt of gratitude the conservative camp owed to the SSPX Society. Without which modernism would have triumphed 30 years ago. Without the SSPX there is a very real chance that Voris would be a practicing sodomite today in good standing at his local rainbow parish because the church of old would be resigned to the dustbin of history.

If you are sincere in your repentance you should at least be humbled by your 20 years of sodomy and departure from the sacraments that you would be very cautious about judging and condemning those who had been holding the fort while you were AWOL and buggering men. You don't appear in the Vineyard at two thirty and start calling the other workers who have been there since dawn "Spiritual Pornographers".

I'm not an SV nor a Russian Orthodox but I'd show those people the respect they have earned. Especially if I was late to the Vineyard!!!

3. He not merely speaking about the faith. He's very actively teaching and preachin it. He's lay's down what he believes is "the law". Furthermore things like retreat Cruises and gathering men aged 18-25 together in a house are near occasions of sin for a former sodomite. Retreats are really entering into the realm of the clergy. Laypeople are on thin ice here.

Discerning men's vocations? Gathering them together in a house? Surely a former sodomite who has a mature understanding of his sin and he weakness would not touch this idea with a 10 foot pole. Even if he is completely free of is lust (unlikely), how does it look to others if his 20 years of sodomy is then revealed.

As a thought experiment, Let's assume two Catholic men fathers of large families who have grown up, devout Catholics who have never lapsed decide to start a mission. The mission is to visit the stage door of pole dancing clubs and mission to the Puerto Rican and Mexican dancers to see if they can get them to change careers.

Most Catholics with good common sense would think this was really risky and a near occasion of sin. But they seem to be good at it and are having some success at getting the girls to quit and get other moral jobs.

Now pretend that one of those say 60 year old men had an arrest record for being a pepping Tom when he was 16 years old in 1972. A single occurrence. At that stage the whole equation changes. Not particularly because you think a 44 year old arrest record makes him significantly more of a threat but because you know that even the a slight charge like that can be manipulated and do more harm through scandal than the good the two of them can do.

Voris doesn't have a youthful indiscretion. He has an extremely sordid past. If he was truly sorry he would be very very alert to the scandal he could cause through these retreats and his utterly mad and dangerous "Pause" idea of gathering 18-25 year old men together."
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 27, 2016, 10:30:36 PM

Croixalist,

I must commend you on the hunt.  You have the nose and intuition of a true Catholic blood hound.

(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/pressofatlanticcity.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/40/14089cfe-1837-50d3-a2f3-ee5325c8c1fa/5148d0ec59675.image.jpg)

I'd like to submit the point that the whole CMTV media scam is a Jєω operation.

I've debated CMTV episodes with friends for years and have always thought Voris was an infiltrator.

Besides his protection of Francis, he did a thoroughly ridiculous episode on the nαzιs final solution to the Jєωs.  He played a scene cut from from a Jєω nαzι movie (forget the name) and said that anti-semitism was one sin that could not be forgiven. That line is from the rabbis!

I even wondered if Voris himself was Jєω?  Notre Dame is riddled with them.

When you put it all together, the studio funding, the big media play, the rabbinic scripts, the queer employees... it all smells of the Jєωs.

The Jєωs found in Michael, a competent queer-media man they could trust. He was capable of heading their CMTV gig. He read the scripts and did the job for them.

(http://www.churchmilitant.com/images/uploads/news_feature/MICHAEL_VORIS_(1).png)

The satanist connections fit the Jєωs perfectly too.

Your insight that they are making a CMTV episodes to play into the gαy Francis agenda and the "Year of Mercy" fits like a glove.

This is the beauty of the Trad forums, that when the Gentiles get connected, we can always figure out the schemes of the devil's children.

Spread the word.... Michael Voris is a queer fraud and CMTV is just another Jєω media infiltration.




Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 27, 2016, 10:41:25 PM
Quote from: Guest

Croixalist,

I must commend you on the hunt.  You have the nose and intuition of a true Catholic blood hound.

(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/pressofatlanticcity.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/40/14089cfe-1837-50d3-a2f3-ee5325c8c1fa/5148d0ec59675.image.jpg)

I'd like to submit the point that the whole CMTV media scam is a Jєω operation.

I've debated CMTV episodes with friends for years and have always thought Voris was an infiltrator.

Besides his protection of Francis, he did a thoroughly ridiculous episode on the nαzιs final solution to the Jєωs.  He played a scene cut from from a Jєω nαzι movie (forget the name) and said that anti-semitism was one sin that could not be forgiven. That line is from the rabbis!

I even wondered if Voris himself was Jєω?  Notre Dame is riddled with them.

When you put it all together, the studio funding, the big media play, the rabbinic scripts, the queer employees... it all smells of the Jєωs.

The Jєωs found in Michael, a competent queer-media man they could trust. He was capable of heading their CMTV gig. He read the scripts and did the job for them.

(http://www.churchmilitant.com/images/uploads/news_feature/MICHAEL_VORIS_(1).png)

The satanist connections fit the Jєωs perfectly too.

Your insight that they are making a CMTV episodes to play into the gαy Francis agenda and the "Year of Mercy" fits like a glove.

This is the beauty of the Trad forums, that when the Gentiles get connected, we can always figure out the schemes of the devil's children.

Spread the word.... Michael Voris is a queer fraud and CMTV is just another Jєω media infiltration.






Thank you. An eye opener  :shocked:
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 27, 2016, 10:42:42 PM
Quote from: Croixalist
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Croixalist
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Bah.  

On the other hand, someone said this:

Quote
Voris came into the Trad land and pooped all over. Trashing SSPX, the Remnant, and CFN. The gall of this homo after living almost 20 years as one. He comes and starts trashing what we suffered for and built up for the last 50 years.

Damn we are so gullible. (I must admit quite a few of you saw through him from the start)

Now we should all know why he was so way off half of the time. He is a very disordered individual.


How can I disagree with this?  This, also, makes sense.

I dunno.  The whole operation over there is a disaster.  Has been or a few years, now.


Hey uh Laramie, didn't we just go through this?  :laugh1:

Anyway, I found the porn producer from Lifesitenews and uh... he was jailed a few months back for having molested a teenage girl for a few years. No wonder I can't find his old articles. He always came off like an arrogant proddy piece of trash. And lookee here, another whore outreach! Way to go Lifesite. You sure know how to pick 'em! Not Catholic? No problem! It says he was Catholic but in truth he was as "born again" as they come...

Donny Pauling's bio is still up though!

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/author/donny-pauling

He only got 6 years with 3 served already. Can you believe this garbage?

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/pauling-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison/article_a3c4e2fc-89b5-11e5-9f0e-5f35c6d9cdb6.html



I don't want to assume what you are saying so please tell me.

This doesn't look good at all.  Is there no one decent Catholic left today that can do these jobs without having a past that would make St. Mary of Egypt blush?


You left out in your possible scenarios that he is a plant working to discredit the Latin Mass Community. He is insincere and he is working to destroy the Church. All of his anti-gαy rhetoric will now be filed under absurd self-hatred. To the outsiders, everyone against the LGBT movement is suspected to be in the closet, this only confirms the popular notion. For the insiders we are forced to take in that past lifestyle and accept it now that he is repentant. It's kind of traumatizing when you think about it.

Public sins must be accounted for publicly, and as far as I can see he is not stepping down from anything. His "apostolate" will continue stronger than ever, with new "homophobic" and "God-limiter" cards to use against his critics.

BTW, did you notice that he read off his "confession" with the exact same delivery as he does every other story he's done? This confirms my belief that A) this is not his own true story and that B) he is not his own man and he reads his script the same way every time.


I have disagreed with you in the past; but I must say, Croixalist, that you have been doing a very good job in exposing Voris.

This is so painfully true, what is highlighted, that is.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 27, 2016, 10:58:34 PM
From the point of view of evolution, prejudice is an alerting signal, warning tribal mammals that a potentially dangerous alien mammal is in the vicinity, and should be fought or fled. Alerting mechanisms respond to novelties in the environment, because novelties represent change from the usual, and are, therefore, potentially important.

One of  two things can happen: (1) If the alerting mechanism is very strongly activated, it will produce an unendurable emotional state, forcing the tribal mammal to fight the novelty or flee it. (2) If, however, the novelty is either low-grade, or simply odd without being threatening, the alerting mechanism will be mildly activated, producing an emotional state that, if other environmental circuмstances militate against it, will be too weak to motivate any actual behavioral response.

...

Turning Associative Conditioning and Direct Emotional Modeling against themselves, we Jam by forging a fresh link between, on one hand, some part of the mechanism, and, on the other, pre-existing, external, opposed, and therefore incompatible emotional response. Ideally, the bigot being subjected to such counterconditioning will ultimately experience two emotional responses to the hated object, opposed and competing. The consequent internal confusion has two effects: first, it is unpleasant --we can call it 'emotional dissonance' after Festinger-- and will tend to result in an alteration of previous beliefs and feelings so as to resolve the internal conflict. Since the weaker of the clashing emotional associations is more likely to give way, we can achieve optimal results by linking the prejudicial response to a stronger and more fundamental structure of belief and emotion.

...

Desensitization aims at lowering the intensity of antigαy emotional reactions to a level approximating sheer indifference; Jamming attempts to blockade or counteract the rewarding 'pride in prejudice' (peace, Jane Austen!) by attaching to homohatred a pre-existing, and punishing, sense of shame in being a bigot, a horse's ass, and a beater and a murderer. Both desensitization and Jamming, though extremely useful, are more preludes to our highest --though necessarily very long-range-- goal, which is Conversion.
... Put briefly, if Desensitization lets the watch run down, and Jamming throws sand in the works, Conversion reverses the spring so that the hands run backwards.
Conversion makes use of Associative Conditioning, much as Jamming does-- indeed, in practice the two processes overlap-- but far more ambitiously. In Conversion, the bigot, who holds a very negative stereotypic picture, is repeatedly exposed to literal picture/label pairs, in magazines, and on billboards and TV, of gαys --explicitly labeled as such!-- who not only don't look like his picture of a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, but are carefully slected to look either like the bigot an dhis friends, or like any one of his other stereotypes of all-right guys.

...

When a bigot is presented with an image of the sort of person whom he already has a positive stereotype, he experiences an involuntary rush of positive emotion, of good feeling; he's been conditioned to experience it. But, here, the good picture has a bad label --gαy! The bigot will feel two incompatible emotions: a good response to the picture, a bad response to the label. At worst, the two will cancel one another, and we will have successfully Jammed, as above. At best, Associative Conditioning will, to however small and extent, transfer the positive emotion associated with the picture to the label itself, not immediately replacing the negative response, but definitely weakening it. In Conversion, we mimic the natural process of stereotype learning, with the following effect: we take the bigot's good feelings about all-right guys, and attach them to the label 'gαy' either weakening or, eventually, replacing his bad feelings toward the label and the prior stereotype.

Taken from, After the Ball by Kirk and Madsen
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 27, 2016, 11:02:40 PM
Oh, of course... Queer Jєωs are monitoring this forum :roll-laugh2:
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: LaramieHirsch on April 27, 2016, 11:13:25 PM
Quote from: Guest
From the point of view of evolution, prejudice is an alerting signal, warning tribal mammals that a potentially dangerous alien mammal is in the vicinity, and should be fought or fled. Alerting mechanisms respond to novelties in the environment, because novelties represent change from the usual, and are, therefore, potentially important.

One of  two things can happen: (1) If the alerting mechanism is very strongly activated, it will produce an unendurable emotional state, forcing the tribal mammal to fight the novelty or flee it. (2) If, however, the novelty is either low-grade, or simply odd without being threatening, the alerting mechanism will be mildly activated, producing an emotional state that, if other environmental circuмstances militate against it, will be too weak to motivate any actual behavioral response.

...

Turning Associative Conditioning and Direct Emotional Modeling against themselves, we Jam by forging a fresh link between, on one hand, some part of the mechanism, and, on the other, pre-existing, external, opposed, and therefore incompatible emotional response. Ideally, the bigot being subjected to such counterconditioning will ultimately experience two emotional responses to the hated object, opposed and competing. The consequent internal confusion has two effects: first, it is unpleasant --we can call it 'emotional dissonance' after Festinger-- and will tend to result in an alteration of previous beliefs and feelings so as to resolve the internal conflict. Since the weaker of the clashing emotional associations is more likely to give way, we can achieve optimal results by linking the prejudicial response to a stronger and more fundamental structure of belief and emotion.

...

Desensitization aims at lowering the intensity of antigαy emotional reactions to a level approximating sheer indifference; Jamming attempts to blockade or counteract the rewarding 'pride in prejudice' (peace, Jane Austen!) by attaching to homohatred a pre-existing, and punishing, sense of shame in being a bigot, a horse's ass, and a beater and a murderer. Both desensitization and Jamming, though extremely useful, are more preludes to our highest --though necessarily very long-range-- goal, which is Conversion.
... Put briefly, if Desensitization lets the watch run down, and Jamming throws sand in the works, Conversion reverses the spring so that the hands run backwards.
Conversion makes use of Associative Conditioning, much as Jamming does-- indeed, in practice the two processes overlap-- but far more ambitiously. In Conversion, the bigot, who holds a very negative stereotypic picture, is repeatedly exposed to literal picture/label pairs, in magazines, and on billboards and TV, of gαys --explicitly labeled as such!-- who not only don't look like his picture of a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, but are carefully slected to look either like the bigot an dhis friends, or like any one of his other stereotypes of all-right guys.

...

When a bigot is presented with an image of the sort of person whom he already has a positive stereotype, he experiences an involuntary rush of positive emotion, of good feeling; he's been conditioned to experience it. But, here, the good picture has a bad label --gαy! The bigot will feel two incompatible emotions: a good response to the picture, a bad response to the label. At worst, the two will cancel one another, and we will have successfully Jammed, as above. At best, Associative Conditioning will, to however small and extent, transfer the positive emotion associated with the picture to the label itself, not immediately replacing the negative response, but definitely weakening it. In Conversion, we mimic the natural process of stereotype learning, with the following effect: we take the bigot's good feelings about all-right guys, and attach them to the label 'gαy' either weakening or, eventually, replacing his bad feelings toward the label and the prior stereotype.
.
Taken from, After the Ball by Kirk and Madsen


Evolution is a lie.  Sodomy is a sin.  Trigger words like "bigot" are shaming/silencing tactics.  And you are irrelevant here.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Neil Obstat on April 27, 2016, 11:42:19 PM
Earlier photo:
(https://s16-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.desormeauxfoundation.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F09%2FMichael-Voris.jpg&sp=50c5efa970bfff64c38d000c6c0bb3a8)

Current photo:
(http://www.churchmilitant.com/images/uploads/news_feature/MICHAEL_VORIS_(1).png)

Am I imagining things or does Michael Voris appear to have aged about 25 years here?

Could he be suffering from AIDS?

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 27, 2016, 11:47:32 PM
According to some here, it may be exercise meds.
According to many commentators on fag blogs,just by watching his last vortex, they say Voris Has Tell-Tale Facial Lipodystrophy Associated With HIV Medications
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 27, 2016, 11:56:10 PM
Quote from: Guest
According to some here, it may be exercise meds.
According to many commentators on fag blogs,just by watching his last vortex, they say Voris Has Tell-Tale Facial Lipodystrophy Associated With HIV Medications


Lipodystrophy

Lipodystrophy is a condition that causes several health problems including lipid abnormalities -- elevated cholesterol and triglycerides, body fat redistribution and thinning of the limbs and face (more specifically called lipoatrophy). Sometimes these symptoms coexist, and most likely they are multifactoral. Lipodystrophy is one of the most common complications seen in HIV. Reporting methods vary, but cases are estimated at 50% of people with HIV.
The good news is that there has been relative progress in treating lipid abnormalities in people with HIV, and some people have been able to control trunk fat associated with protease inhibitors. The bad news is that there have been no advances in treating facial lipoatrophy. Sadly, the look of AIDS persists for those who have sunken cheeks and hollowed temples and therefore stigmatization still exists for those with an otherwise healthy outlook. And unfortunately, some people make the choice between looking good and having to take antiviral therapy.

(http://www.cruxnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/voris.jpg)
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 28, 2016, 12:11:36 AM
(http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img/photos/2010/10/24/2f835181-7605-4f66-97a3-7149c3fc59e1news.ap.org_tx600.jpg?1cac1c26287decec7a3e591fce9b6936b1eddfe5)

He's probably hiding something on his forehead.
More HIV markings or a satanic tattoo.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 28, 2016, 12:21:14 AM
Quote from: Guest
CMTV did not even hide it.

Here is what PAUSE means:


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pause


"A word used when someone says something that sounds gαy and nobody says no homo.
Adam: His ass is mine!
(wait for no homo but Adam dosent says it)
Branden:...PAUSE"
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 28, 2016, 12:24:53 AM
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Guest
CMTV did not even hide it.

Here is what PAUSE means:


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pause


"A word used when someone says something that sounds gαy and nobody says no homo.
Adam: His ass is mine!
(wait for no homo but Adam dosent says it)
Branden:...PAUSE"


You're quoting from a 2010 urban example.

His "apostolate" started in 2003/2004. So here are the 2003/2004 examples from within the same link:

"used to stop the "aye-yo"'ing of a subject after a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ comment has been made.
-these are some good nuts, pause.


"Said after something that may be taken as ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ."
-Pull it out, pause.
-Son, that ball is huge, pause.

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 28, 2016, 12:34:17 AM
Quote from: Croixalist
Question 3: Can you spot the current CMTV contributor who in 2011 was the star of this particular story?

Quote from: CNA
As recently as August 15, the website batcave.co.uk hosted the text of “Castle Dracula: A Tunnels & Trolls Solo Adventure by Simon Rafe.” Signed and dated “Simon 'The Darknight' Rafe, Baptism of Our Lord, 2010,” the work contains a paragraph vividly describing a sɛҳuąƖ encounter with “a beautiful Elven woman” revealed to be “Asrel, the goddess of love, life, health, healing, beauty and sex.”

Rafe gives the player a series of options in the scenario: “If you would like strength and vitality, turn to 70. If you would like health and life, turn to 383. If you would like true love, turn to 467. If you would like sex appeal, turn to 203. If you would like sɛҳuąƖ potency, turn to 366. If you would like make love to the goddess (even if you are female - Asrel is an equal-opportunity lover!), turn to 11.”


(https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/547952575_640.jpg)


This wreaks of Wicca.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 28, 2016, 12:38:20 AM
Quote from: Croixalist
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Bah.  

On the other hand, someone said this:

Quote
Voris came into the Trad land and pooped all over. Trashing SSPX, the Remnant, and CFN. The gall of this homo after living almost 20 years as one. He comes and starts trashing what we suffered for and built up for the last 50 years.

Damn we are so gullible. (I must admit quite a few of you saw through him from the start)

Now we should all know why he was so way off half of the time. He is a very disordered individual.


How can I disagree with this?  This, also, makes sense.

I dunno.  The whole operation over there is a disaster.  Has been or a few years, now.


Hey uh Laramie, didn't we just go through this?  :laugh1:

Anyway, I found the porn producer from Lifesitenews and uh... he was jailed a few months back for having molested a teenage girl for a few years. No wonder I can't find his old articles. He always came off like an arrogant proddy piece of trash. And lookee here, another whore outreach! Way to go Lifesite. You sure know how to pick 'em! Not Catholic? No problem! It says he was Catholic but in truth he was as "born again" as they come...

Donny Pauling's bio is still up though!

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/author/donny-pauling

He only got 6 years with 3 served already. Can you believe this garbage?

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/pauling-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison/article_a3c4e2fc-89b5-11e5-9f0e-5f35c6d9cdb6.html





And yet life site recently banned Catholic father for questioning the "pause program " which is for young men. ...    
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 28, 2016, 10:25:20 AM
Fr. Gruner (RIP) on Michael Voris:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6i0HgL3UQ

~9:43:  "He'll lose all credibility.  He can't be called orthodox, & he can't be called Catholic.  He may be - if he's - at best he can say he's ignorant; and that he's an ignorant Catholic is unfortunate.  But this ignorant Catholic should not be trying to teach others when he's ignorant himself."


Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 28, 2016, 10:38:02 AM
For reference, these look like the Voris videos the questioner was likely referring to in the Father Gruner Q&A above:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHZXduBEqrU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m2O0DVex84

In the first one, Burke Blasts Back, there is an ad at the very beginning for one of the cruises.  
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 28, 2016, 11:13:55 AM

A sodomite media coven, funded and controlled by the Jєωs.


Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 28, 2016, 12:23:19 PM
This whole thing is making me sick.  It's the flaunting of sin that I can't take anymore.  

Am I the only one that has had it with living in a moral cesspool and having someone's perversion forced in my face?  If it's not having to share rest rooms with those of the opposite sex, it's being forced to accept as normal that which isn't and never will be.



Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 28, 2016, 01:27:02 PM
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Am I the only one that has had it with living in a moral cesspool and having someone's perversion forced in my face?


I assure you, you are not the only one. I'm beyond sick of all this impure, disgusting, filth around.

I really don't know what to do with myself and my poor children in this godless, nasty society.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 28, 2016, 01:49:17 PM
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Am I the only one that has had it with living in a moral cesspool and having someone's perversion forced in my face?


I assure you, you are not the only one. I'm beyond sick of all this impure, disgusting, filth around.

I really don't know what to do with myself and my poor children in this godless, nasty society.


I really feel for you wanting to protect your children.  You can't even use the rest rooms anymore in stores.  It's gotten so insane, sometimes I have an almost impossible time processing all of the evil that surrounds me.

I don't know what to do with myself either.  I'm especially dismayed by the apathy I encounter especially in traditional chapels where I am finding more and more Catholics who feel the need to compromise and fit in with the world.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 28, 2016, 10:11:28 PM
Man, this lipodystrophy thing has really taken off! If it's true and he dies from HIV, how long do you think before the canonization process begins? I'm only kidding, Voris wouldn't let that happen. He's got a good doctor with plenty of energy to steal from!
 
(http://blog-imgs-84.fc2.com/e/i/g/eiganokai/20151127163149ac9.gif)

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Here is a quote from Greg @ SD.
Quite poignant.


He's got it 100%!

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Fr. Gruner (RIP) on Michael Voris:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6i0HgL3UQ

~9:43:  "He'll lose all credibility.  He can't be called orthodox, & he can't be called Catholic.  He may be - if he's - at best he can say he's ignorant; and that he's an ignorant Catholic is unfortunate.  But this ignorant Catholic should not be trying to teach others when he's ignorant himself."


Oh, how I would love to see Fr. Gruner's reaction now. God Bless him!

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I have disagreed with you in the past; but I must say, Croixalist, that you have been doing a very good job in exposing Voris.

 This is so painfully true, what is highlighted, that is.


Well for what it's worth thank you very much and for this truce, temporary or otherwise, I raise my glass in your direction.

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Croixalist,

I must commend you on the hunt.  You have the nose and intuition of a true Catholic blood hound.

I'd like to submit the point that the whole CMTV media scam is a Jєω operation.

I've debated CMTV episodes with friends for years and have always thought Voris was an infiltrator.

Besides his protection of Francis, he did a thoroughly ridiculous episode on the nαzιs final solution to the Jєωs.  He played a scene cut from from a Jєω nαzι movie (forget the name) and said that anti-semitism was one sin that could not be forgiven. That line is from the rabbis!

I even wondered if Voris himself was Jєω?  Notre Dame is riddled with them.

When you put it all together, the studio funding, the big media play, the rabbinic scripts, the queer employees... it all smells of the Jєωs.

The Jєωs found in Michael, a competent queer-media man they could trust. He was capable of heading their CMTV gig. He read the scripts and did the job for them.

The satanist connections fit the Jєωs perfectly too.

Your insight that they are making a CMTV episodes to play into the gαy Francis agenda and the "Year of Mercy" fits like a glove.

This is the beauty of the Trad forums, that when the Gentiles get connected, we can always figure out the schemes of the devil's children.

Spread the word.... Michael Voris is a queer fraud and CMTV is just another Jєω media infiltration.



Thanks! I don't think it's entirely a Jєωιѕн thing, but of course I believe some would be involved. Every time a church scandal hits the media, there are powerful Jєωs grinning ear to ear.

I in turn submit to you that there are many strange players afoot that normally wouldn't mix but are united as far as using every resource at their disposal to destroy the Catholic Church.

Feet of iron and clay come to mind...
-Freemasons
-Jєωs
-Muslims
-Protestants
-Satanists
-LGBTs
-Feminists
-Racialists
-Zionists
-Socialists
-Communists
-Russians
-Eastern Orthodox
-etc...

And then there are the many elites who carry membership cards for multiple categories all at once.

We have far too many enemies with too much power to restrict this to Jєωs only. Take it or leave it, but that's my outlook.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 28, 2016, 10:41:34 PM
Voris? Lukewarm? Only if his ex-boyfriend was a Jedi!

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/1473cf7657520428d4c70b65d285b76b/tumblr_inline_o5bqvdNhRr1qjtxsg_500.gif)
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 28, 2016, 10:48:35 PM
(http://www.epainassist.com/images/what-lipodystrophy.jpg)
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 28, 2016, 11:20:39 PM
Michael Voris condemns the nαzιs to Hell for the h0Ɩ0cαųst.


Dec 16, 2013

Starts at 1:16

The nαzιs and Hell (https://gloria.tv/video/oCNSKrKCe7p)


Voris uses Jєωιѕн propaganda video and Jєωιѕн script, claiming it to be Catholic.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: LaramieHirsch on April 29, 2016, 02:03:25 AM
I've been laughing aloud very hard at that "doctor" gif!
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 29, 2016, 04:45:07 AM
Lunatic levels of gym use and a misuse of supplements is a real fag thing, and HIV too. I'd guess the two are acting on Mr Voris. He used to run, maybe still does, overpriced an Catholic cruise (on a boat, not in the fag sense) with Fr Z (not saying anything on Fr Z except he likes the revenue stream). Greg from SD said a young nephew of his, was one one of those boat trips. I can see why he was disturbed. Imagine going on that boat trip thinking it's Catholic, instead it's a fag scam and the boat in the middle of the ocean and there's no escape. You better be good at swimming....  
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 29, 2016, 09:17:35 AM

(http://media.cleveland.com/plain-dealer/photo/2012/01/-a16d13f9de0e881c.jpg)

gαy cruise gone bad
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: AnonymousCatholic on April 29, 2016, 01:31:55 PM
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(http://media.cleveland.com/plain-dealer/photo/2012/01/-a16d13f9de0e881c.jpg)

gαy cruise gone bad




I'm not seeing the bad. Unless there are lifeboats behind the wreck...
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 29, 2016, 02:29:06 PM
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Am I the only one that has had it with living in a moral cesspool and having someone's perversion forced in my face?


I assure you, you are not the only one. I'm beyond sick of all this impure, disgusting, filth around.

I really don't know what to do with myself and my poor children in this godless, nasty society.


Yes, we are sick of all of it too.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 29, 2016, 02:31:50 PM
Red flag

" Furthermore things like retreat Cruises and gathering men aged 18-25 together in a house are near occasions of sin for a former sodomite."  

 :heretic: :really-mad2:

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 29, 2016, 02:33:11 PM
Real men don't wear pink ever.  Even for breast cancer propaganda.  
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 29, 2016, 02:59:59 PM
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Red flag

" Furthermore things like retreat Cruises and gathering men aged 18-25 together in a house are near occasions of sin for a former sodomite."  

 :heretic: :really-mad2:



That bothers me. So he preys on young men to come live in a dorm away from the world for a year. Men who are likely lost, shy and quiet types.

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 29, 2016, 05:30:22 PM
Concerning the Catholic Militant TV and Vori's connection with the Jєωs, it may be through Opus dei ?

It appears the history of the funding behind Voris is intentionally vague, but he admits to getting $250K from an Opus dei member.

Here's a March 2014 excerpt from Mundamor's blog on the topic of "Vorisgate"

Vorisgate link (https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/vorisgate-a-message-from-cmtv/)

1. On the matter of the finances.

It is not unreasonable to suppose that a publishing venture would need initial backing, it being very unreasonable that an initiative of this kind would be self-supporting from the start. In this case, it appears there were $250,000 from Mr Brammer, which were spent in six months, and what appear to be indirect donations for $300,000 (if I understand the one with the couple well). Everyone with some knowledge of this matter will know that there is the need for a starting capital, which by ventures of this kind can go on for years; and the question where it comes from is fully justified.

I take notice that you do not receive funds from the Opus Dei, and gladly publish the information. I also gladly publish the other information, that Mr Voris is not member of Opus Dei. I also take notice that, as you write this, CMTV is self-sufficient and in no need of external support.

I suggest you or Mr Voris take care of the “Wikipedia” entry concerning Michael Voris, which certainly encourages to think that Mr Brammer is the owner, and Mr Voris a a producer of content for a station still owned by Mr Brammer who, as you yourself state, is Opus Dei. You see this both in the part called “background” and in the part concerning the “name controversy”, which mentions Mr Brammer as the owner but does not mention any change of ownership at the moment of the name change.


Opus dei or Opus judie, as we laughling call it, may also be the connection driving Voris's version of Catholic theology?   His self righteous rampage on papal criticism fits well with Opus die's interest, because their activities are secret and they report only to the pope.

If you want to read more about Opus die's Jєωιѕн connection, there are links:

Opus dei rabbinic (http://www.opusdeialert.com/opus-deis-rabbis.htm)

Let's just say Opus dei is very much on the dark side, not the Catholic side of things.

Even the satanic entertainment harlot, Madonna (Louise Ciccone) has expressed interest in being a member.






Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 30, 2016, 07:25:49 AM
I think it is odd that Traditio never mentions the voris situation.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 30, 2016, 08:42:33 AM
Any pictures of terry carroll or Marc brammer?  

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 30, 2016, 08:45:44 AM
Many of us have lost respect of most Catholic media.  

The Lavendar Mob has taken over the Catholic Church.  And the SSPX and others have their share too.  

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 30, 2016, 12:14:33 PM
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Many of us have lost respect of most Catholic media.  

The Lavendar Mob has taken over the Catholic Church.  And the SSPX and others have their share too.  



This is very true.  They are everywhere and there is no escape.  Do you think they are infiltrators, or is it just something imbibed in our modern day cesspool atmosphere?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 30, 2016, 02:36:48 PM
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Feet of iron and clay come to mind...
-Freemasons
-Jєωs
-Muslims
-Protestants
-Satanists
-LGBTs
-Feminists
-Racialists
-Zionists
-Socialists
-Communists
-Russians
-Eastern Orthodox
-etc...


You could've just written Jєωs to avoid being redundant.  

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Opus dei or Opus judie


Opus Judei.  Nice!  

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on April 30, 2016, 03:46:43 PM
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Any pictures of terry carroll or Marc brammer?  



Marc:

(https://0.academia-photos.com/4555977/1889023/10587178/s200_marc.brammer.jpg)

Can't find one of Terry Carroll yet.

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on April 30, 2016, 04:25:28 PM
Who is Terry Carroll and Marc Brammer, and what do they have to do with this?

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 01, 2016, 12:31:14 AM
They were affilitated with cmtv.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 01, 2016, 12:37:57 AM
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Quote from: Guest
Many of us have lost respect of most Catholic media.  

The Lavendar Mob has taken over the Catholic Church.  And the SSPX and others have their share too.  



This is very true.  They are everywhere and there is no escape.  Do you think they are infiltrators, or is it just something imbibed in our modern day cesspool atmosphere?


They are infiltrators.  They are the proud atheist minority of sodomist and perverts who think they are the elite while looking down on normal society.

Their satanic goals are to end Christianity.  
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 01, 2016, 11:37:21 AM
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Who is Terry Carroll and Marc Brammer, and what do they have to do with this?


I believe Marc Brammer is an Opus Dei member and the biggest financial contributor to CMTV.  

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They are infiltrators.  They are the proud atheist minority of sodomist and perverts who think they are the elite while looking down on normal society.

Their satanic goals are to end Christianity.


I for one would not be surprised to find Marc Brammer has a Jєω or two in family tree.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 01, 2016, 08:34:38 PM
the NY archdiocese should've never started this in the first place

leave Voris alone, this is calumny, and have some people resign for this horror that this is
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 02, 2016, 10:33:48 AM
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the NY archdiocese should've never started this in the first place

leave Voris alone, this is calumny, and have some people resign for this horror that this is


Have some people resign, yeah, starting with Voris.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 02, 2016, 06:12:39 PM
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Quote from: Guest
Many of us have lost respect of most Catholic media.  

The Lavendar Mob has taken over the Catholic Church.  And the SSPX and others have their share too.  



This is very true.  They are everywhere and there is no escape.  Do you think they are infiltrators, or is it just something imbibed in our modern day cesspool atmosphere?


They are infiltrators.

I shall post this quote from Moira Greyland, an adult victim of horrific child molestation by her parents (yes, both).

She came to publicly tell her story of abuse, and was lauded for revealing the truth.

However, sometime later she publicly came out in opposition to gαy marriage, and she is now being villified by the very same people who once supported her for sharing the story of her childhood abuse.

Should pray for this poor woman.

Her observation of what the gαy agenda's goal really is, in my opinion, is very astute:

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My observation of my father and mother’s actual belief is this: since everyone is naturally gαy, it is the straight establishment that makes everyone hung up and therefore limited.  Sex early will make people willing to have sex with everyone, which will bring about the utopia while eliminating homophobia and helping people become “who they really are.” It will also destroy the hated nuclear family with its paternalism, sexism, ageism (yes, for pedophiles, that is a thing) and all other “isms.” If enough children are sɛҳuąƖized young enough, gαyness will suddenly be “normal” and accepted by everyone, and the old fashioned notions about fidelity will vanish.  As sex is integrated as a natural part of every single relationship, the barriers between people will vanish, and the utopia will appear, as “straight culture” goes the way of the dinosaur.  As my mother used to say: “Children are brainwashed into believing they don’t want sex.”

I know, I know.  The stupidity of that particular thesis is boundless, and the actual consequence is forty-year-olds in therapy for sɛҳuąƖ abuse, many, many ѕυιcιdєs, and ruined lives for just about EVERYONE.  But someone needed to say it.  


Here's the link if you want to read her story and read about her famous parents. WARNING: it is not for the faint of heart. It's a tough read.

The Story of Moira Greyland


https://askthebigot.com/2015/07/23/the-story-of-moira-greyland-guest-post/
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 02, 2016, 06:18:36 PM
Read Marc Brammer's LinkedIn.

He's a banker, who specializes in credit risk analysis and seems to advise a lot of people.

He is currently working on a project to put together computerized medical records, probably for the govt.

I bet he is seriously loaded.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 02, 2016, 09:58:31 PM
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Read Marc Brammer's LinkedIn.

He's a banker, who specializes in credit risk analysis and seems to advise a lot of people.

He is currently working on a project to put together computerized medical records, probably for the govt.

I bet he is seriously loaded.


What does loaded mean?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 02, 2016, 10:48:32 PM
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Quote from: Guest
Read Marc Brammer's LinkedIn.

He's a banker, who specializes in credit risk analysis and seems to advise a lot of people.

He is currently working on a project to put together computerized medical records, probably for the govt.

I bet he is seriously loaded.


What does loaded mean?


To have a lot of money.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 03, 2016, 09:56:21 PM
A group "Sex by 8 or it's to late", made the talk show of Phil Donahue in the 80's. Then another group of elites, intellectuals, as they call themselves pushed the sex with babies.  Very evil indeed!  Kids with AIDS and STDS and that is ok! Yuck!  Like the ISIS people.  Animals and no God in their minds. And the mothers and children suffer.  Like Christ said on his way to calvary, weep for yourselves and for your children....   So, sad.  Can't wait for Christ of come and put it right again!
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 03, 2016, 10:51:03 PM
The really evil thing is that perverted mentality has infiltrated the Church.  

May God have Mercy on us.  

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 06, 2016, 06:58:43 PM
It's progressing alright..
(http://i65.tinypic.com/fjjlsl.jpg)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/16as6j7.jpg)
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 06, 2016, 09:44:29 PM
Is he "morphing" into the Geiko man?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 08, 2016, 06:58:34 PM
So he finds out he's dying from AIDS and decides to spend the rest of his life destroying Catholicism?

What does he get out of this?

A promise not to release Double Trouble?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on May 08, 2016, 09:15:40 PM
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So he finds out he's dying from AIDS and decides to spend the rest of his life destroying Catholicism?

What does he get out of this?

A promise not to release Double Trouble?


How about a promise to die in a non-violent way and in relative luxury. Here's a guy who lives in Detroit, but has enough finances to run his own full time Catholic media company and go on lavish "retreat" cruises?

Yeah, ok.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 08, 2016, 10:57:22 PM
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Quote from: Guest
So he finds out he's dying from AIDS and decides to spend the rest of his life destroying Catholicism?

What does he get out of this?

A promise not to release Double Trouble?


How about a promise to die in a non-violent way and in relative luxury. Here's a guy who lives in Detroit, but has enough finances to run his own full time Catholic media company and go on lavish "retreat" cruises?

Yeah, ok.


Ok, you have a point there.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on May 08, 2016, 11:44:33 PM
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Ok, you have a point there.


 :cheers:
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 09, 2016, 09:12:02 AM
This is the first I have heard of this.  I found Michael Voris many years ago while I was Novus Ordo and he did help me then.  My gαydar went off then, but I dismissed it.  I never gave him much thought after that, and I quit watching.

But I would like to make some observations.

My past life was very difficult and quit immoral.  I never engaged in ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts, but I was what one used to call a "fag hag."  Most of my friends were ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ males.  I know everything about them.  I know how they think and how they behave.  

Very, very few ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men who live that lifestyle for 15-20 years ever have much success at leaving it completely behind.  During the mid 80s to the early 90s there was a HUGE movement within the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ community.  The were flamboyant and risky.  This was right before the HIV bomb was dropped.  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men were dropping like flies from AIDS.  So, if Mr. Voris had multiple ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ partners, it wouldn't be a shock that he is living with AIDS.

I also know that occasionally these men have some sort of personal conversion.  I saw it a few times, mostly after someone got sick or physically abused or something like that.  They would "swear off" their lifestyle, try to become celibate, and become vehemently opposed to the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyle.  However, in the latter case, more often than not they are very open about WHY thy hate that life---i.e. because it made me sick, because ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men are extremely abusive, etc.   But I also know from personal experience that these people have a really, really, hard time remaining celibate or leaving that life behind.  They become wrapped really, really tightly.

Since Mr. Voris has just now admitted his transgressions I have a lot of questions about it.  I wonder if he is coming "out" in some way to circuмvent what might be revealed in the coming months.  If he  had "come" out right when he started his work, then I think I would more likely to believe his sincerity.  It would give a "reason" for his exposes on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in the priest hood because he could say he experienced it first hand.  

Since I have become a traditional Catholic I have also noticed something that causes great concern for me.  A great number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are drawn to the traditional movement.  They are exposed in Novus Ordo, then claim a conversion, become traditional priests, and then go on to abuse or attempt to abuse young boys.  I think trad circles are a good place for them to hide and families are more trusting with their boys.

I don't know what Mr. Voris' motives are.  But I do wonder.  The timing seems rather odd to me.  

Statistically, and my husband has just written about this professionally, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men do not remain celibate after a reversion.  They do have relapses, but most often they are one night-stands or weekend escapades.  They do feel remorse afterwards, though, and don't consider themselves to have fallen back into the lifestyle.

At any rate, I view these Novus Ordo "celebrity" priests and apologists with great suspicion.  They almost always fall into great shame.  

In my opinion, this drama with Mr. Voris  has brought a HUGE scandal up his work and conservative Novus Ordites.  Oh, sure, they will embrace him.  He will become a prime example of the reversion of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.  He will probably make more money and get more visitors to his website than ever before.


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Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Alexandria on May 09, 2016, 11:26:01 AM
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This is the first I have heard of this.  I found Michael Voris many years ago while I was Novus Ordo and he did help me then.  My gαydar went off then, but I dismissed it.  I never gave him much thought after that, and I quit watching.

But I would like to make some observations.

My past life was very difficult and quit immoral.  I never engaged in ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts, but I was what one used to call a "fag hag."  Most of my friends were ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ males.  I know everything about them.  I know how they think and how they behave.  

Very, very few ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men who live that lifestyle for 15-20 years ever have much success at leaving it completely behind.  During the mid 80s to the early 90s there was a HUGE movement within the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ community.  The were flamboyant and risky.  This was right before the HIV bomb was dropped.  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men were dropping like flies from AIDS.  So, if Mr. Voris had multiple ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ partners, it wouldn't be a shock that he is living with AIDS.

I also know that occasionally these men have some sort of personal conversion.  I saw it a few times, mostly after someone got sick or physically abused or something like that.  They would "swear off" their lifestyle, try to become celibate, and become vehemently opposed to the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyle.  However, in the latter case, more often than not they are very open about WHY thy hate that life---i.e. because it made me sick, because ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men are extremely abusive, etc.   But I also know from personal experience that these people have a really, really, hard time remaining celibate or leaving that life behind.  They become wrapped really, really tightly.

Since Mr. Voris has just now admitted his transgressions I have a lot of questions about it.  I wonder if he is coming "out" in some way to circuмvent what might be revealed in the coming months.  If he  had "come" out right when he started his work, then I think I would more likely to believe his sincerity.  It would give a "reason" for his exposes on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in the priest hood because he could say he experienced it first hand.  

Since I have become a traditional Catholic I have also noticed something that causes great concern for me.  A great number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are drawn to the traditional movement.  They are exposed in Novus Ordo, then claim a conversion, become traditional priests, and then go on to abuse or attempt to abuse young boys.  I think trad circles are a good place for them to hide and families are more trusting with their boys.

I don't know what Mr. Voris' motives are.  But I do wonder.  The timing seems rather odd to me.  

Statistically, and my husband has just written about this professionally, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men do not remain celibate after a reversion.  They do have relapses, but most often they are one night-stands or weekend escapades.  They do feel remorse afterwards, though, and don't consider themselves to have fallen back into the lifestyle.

At any rate, I view these Novus Ordo "celebrity" priests and apologists with great suspicion.  They almost always fall into great shame.  

In my opinion, this drama with Mr. Voris  has brought a HUGE scandal up his work and conservative Novus Ordites.  Oh, sure, they will embrace him.  He will become a prime example of the reversion of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.  He will probably make more money and get more visitors to his website than ever before.


CathMom


That is an excellent post, CathMom.  You are perceptive.

May I ask you why you think it is very hard for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs to completely leave that lifestyle behind?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 09, 2016, 12:05:52 PM
Because it is a pathological disorder.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: TKGS on May 09, 2016, 12:17:41 PM
Quote from: CathMom
A great number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are drawn to the traditional movement.  They are exposed in Novus Ordo, then claim a conversion, become traditional priests, and then go on to abuse or attempt to abuse young boys.  I think trad circles are a good place for them to hide and families are more trusting with their boys.


I have been hearing this for years.  And I have to say that the "traditional movement" must be incredibly good at hiding this "great number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests".  Where are they all?  I can count on one hand the number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ scandals I've heard about in the SSPX and in all the other independent traditional chapels.  

Of course, I don't think for a moment that I have heard about every single ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ scandal--but even if I've only heard of a minority of the scandals and given that credible estimates indicate that more than half of all Conciliar clergy are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, it certainly does not seem that "great numbers" of these ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are being drawn to the "traditional movement".

I must disagree with Alexandria.  I don't think this is an "excellent post".  I think the author calumniated an entire class of priests.  Either than, or we two have a completely different understanding of the meaning of the "traditional movement."
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 09, 2016, 12:42:14 PM
I too heard from a woman from Washington State in the early 90's "that once a pervert, always a pervert."  She was in a position in corrections officer or such.  She told me that the male perverts would write letters, " I've seen the light-God and  let me out of prison."  She said, never.

I'll never forget that meeting I had with her.

Could it be that perverts need the True Precious Blood, which is hard to come by.

Gamblers are supposed to be worse compared to alcoholics to get better or cure. AAA used to state that they get maybe 10% cure.  That is very sad.  My son was depressed over this observation.  But I told him, Son, we know the Precious Blood in all the sacraments is saving/cures.  Is it not possible that that 10% is catholics being cured?  I say yes.  The other 90% have no Precious Blood, they have nothing that is saving.

But I will lean to the statement, "once a pervert, consider it a done deal with the devil"
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 09, 2016, 12:49:32 PM
Quote from: Guest
This is the first I have heard of this.  I found Michael Voris many years ago while I was Novus Ordo and he did help me then.  My gαydar went off then, but I dismissed it.  I never gave him much thought after that, and I quit watching.

But I would like to make some observations.

My past life was very difficult and quit immoral.  I never engaged in ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts, but I was what one used to call a "fag hag."  Most of my friends were ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ males.  I know everything about them.  I know how they think and how they behave.  

Very, very few ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men who live that lifestyle for 15-20 years ever have much success at leaving it completely behind.  During the mid 80s to the early 90s there was a HUGE movement within the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ community.  The were flamboyant and risky.  This was right before the HIV bomb was dropped.  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men were dropping like flies from AIDS.  So, if Mr. Voris had multiple ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ partners, it wouldn't be a shock that he is living with AIDS.

I also know that occasionally these men have some sort of personal conversion.  I saw it a few times, mostly after someone got sick or physically abused or something like that.  They would "swear off" their lifestyle, try to become celibate, and become vehemently opposed to the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyle.  However, in the latter case, more often than not they are very open about WHY thy hate that life---i.e. because it made me sick, because ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men are extremely abusive, etc.   But I also know from personal experience that these people have a really, really, hard time remaining celibate or leaving that life behind.  They become wrapped really, really tightly.

Since Mr. Voris has just now admitted his transgressions I have a lot of questions about it.  I wonder if he is coming "out" in some way to circuмvent what might be revealed in the coming months.  If he  had "come" out right when he started his work, then I think I would more likely to believe his sincerity.  It would give a "reason" for his exposes on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in the priest hood because he could say he experienced it first hand.  

Since I have become a traditional Catholic I have also noticed something that causes great concern for me.  A great number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are drawn to the traditional movement.  They are exposed in Novus Ordo, then claim a conversion, become traditional priests, and then go on to abuse or attempt to abuse young boys.  I think trad circles are a good place for them to hide and families are more trusting with their boys.

I don't know what Mr. Voris' motives are.  But I do wonder.  The timing seems rather odd to me.  

Statistically, and my husband has just written about this professionally, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men do not remain celibate after a reversion.  They do have relapses, but most often they are one night-stands or weekend escapades.  They do feel remorse afterwards, though, and don't consider themselves to have fallen back into the lifestyle.

At any rate, I view these Novus Ordo "celebrity" priests and apologists with great suspicion.  They almost always fall into great shame.  

In my opinion, this drama with Mr. Voris  has brought a HUGE scandal up his work and conservative Novus Ordites.  Oh, sure, they will embrace him.  He will become a prime example of the reversion of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.  He will probably make more money and get more visitors to his website than ever before.


CathMom


Very insightful post. I appreciate the perspective. Had he spoken of the vice years ago and perhaps straightened out some troubled men, it would have been easier to accept.

He came out only when he was found out. He's among the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, can sniff them out. From what others have shared, it's a good possibility that he's sick with hiv or aids from it. Being sick with a spreadable lethal disease would alone be enough to stop a non faithful man.

To think that sure one day he could be teaching about the faith and the next having an encounter with a confession to wipe it clean doesn't sit well with me.

I can't see him in any other light after this. It's just another reminder how ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs have overrun and still control the church up and down.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Alexandria on May 09, 2016, 01:07:13 PM
Quote from: Guest
Because it is a pathological disorder.

Of course.  :facepalm: Why didn't I think of that? :fryingpan:  

It shows you how conditioned I've become already that I've forgotten it used to be considered a mental illness by psychiatrists.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Alexandria on May 09, 2016, 01:09:33 PM
Quote from: Guest
I too heard from a woman from Washington State in the early 90's "that once a pervert, always a pervert."  She was in a position in corrections officer or such.  She told me that the male perverts would write letters, " I've seen the light-God and  let me out of prison."  She said, never.

I'll never forget that meeting I had with her.

Could it be that perverts need the True Precious Blood, which is hard to come by.

Gamblers are supposed to be worse compared to alcoholics to get better or cure. AAA used to state that they get maybe 10% cure.  That is very sad.  My son was depressed over this observation.  But I told him, Son, we know the Precious Blood in all the sacraments is saving/cures.  Is it not possible that that 10% is catholics being cured?  I say yes.  The other 90% have no Precious Blood, they have nothing that is saving.

But I will lean to the statement, "once a pervert, consider it a done deal with the devil"


The priest who founded the Servants of the Paraclete thought the same about pedophiles.  That's why he bought an island to put them on (later Paul VI made him sell it) because he said they were beyond rehabilitation.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on May 09, 2016, 02:18:13 PM
According to the AOTM club timeline for Voris, he was already doing speaking engagements before his mother died and thus before he was going to Mass regularly and before he managed to stop defiling himself with other men.

And all his major public statements dovetail nicely with Vatican objectives.

He's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ alright, but he's far from over it. Don't go out of your way to try to take him at his word.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 10, 2016, 05:43:13 AM

If you stand back and look at the impact that Voris and his "Church Militant" has had in inculcating
naive Catholics, it is very dangerous.

Like the rabbis, those behind Voris know Catholic theology well.  They feed us 90% truth, with 10% poison.  The agenda behind Voris is to keep naive Catholics close to the heretical Pope.

Jєωιѕн rabbis have been quoted numerous times saying they not only want the physical death of the Goyim, but the death of their souls.  They know Catholic theology.  

The personal homo tragedy of Voris is a smokescreen.  He is a front for the Jєω infested Opus judei.

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 10, 2016, 08:07:08 AM
Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: CathMom
A great number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are drawn to the traditional movement.  They are exposed in Novus Ordo, then claim a conversion, become traditional priests, and then go on to abuse or attempt to abuse young boys.  I think trad circles are a good place for them to hide and families are more trusting with their boys.


I have been hearing this for years.  And I have to say that the "traditional movement" must be incredibly good at hiding this "great number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests".  Where are they all?  I can count on one hand the number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ scandals I've heard about in the SSPX and in all the other independent traditional chapels.  

Of course, I don't think for a moment that I have heard about every single ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ scandal--but even if I've only heard of a minority of the scandals and given that credible estimates indicate that more than half of all Conciliar clergy are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, it certainly does not seem that "great numbers" of these ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are being drawn to the "traditional movement".

I must disagree with Alexandria.  I don't think this is an "excellent post".  I think the author calumniated an entire class of priests.  Either than, or we two have a completely different understanding of the meaning of the "traditional movement."


There are two "traditional" ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests in Scranton, PA.  One of these priests was a former NO priest who was "falsely accused."  Many trads I know LOVE this man.  They talk about how great he is.  Yet, he lives with another former priest "falsely accused."  They outwardly tried to convert at least one young man.  How many others, I don't know.  One of this priests regular house visitors is a former NO priest who STILL has a NO Mass at the house.  He is a NOTORIOUS ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ who was arrested in NYC after taking a seminarian to his apartment.  A very, very good friend used to talk about how great he was and how he was "trying" to become a trad priest.  He was brought to my home and I IMMEDIATELY saw that he was a flaming queer.

Father Tetherow.  Loved by MANY in trad circles.  

Another priest I know, can't recollect his name.  I went to one of his Masses.  Another "falsely accused."  A real creepo.  I wouldn't leave my kids alone with him for a second.

Another former priest I know who sends my gαydar bleeping claims that some of the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests he has known have sought out "traditional" communities to "hide."  

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men are PREDATORS.  They are LIARS.  They will do or say ANYTHING to recruit young boys.  They like to get them at about 17 or 18---not really old enough to think critically or independently and old enough to "consent" to their sick seductions.

I haven't calumniated anybody.  There are some incredible and holy traditional priests.  What I said is that these ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are drawn to the traditional movement.  They lie and deceive so they can continue to abuse.  And traditional Catholics welcome them.  Why?  Because most of them have never been around ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs long enough to recognize them or understand how they work.  And become traditional Catholics always hope that NO priests convert.  

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 10, 2016, 08:41:31 AM
Quote from: Alexandria


May I ask you why you think it is very hard for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs to completely leave that lifestyle behind?


I don't know.  I have never known any who have left that lifestyle for long periods of time.  I no longer associate with the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ friends I had in my young adult years.  I left them all and that life behind before I married my husband.  

There was this one guy who I was very close to.  He supposedly left the lifestyle because he was abused a lot, but I saw him about 10 years and he was back into that life.  He said he didn't have to fight against it anymore.

I think the best answer I can give is this:  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is a personality disorder.  It is pathological.  Given the right fuel and environment, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs cannot control themselves for long.  A few can remain celibate, but they never really lose the desires.  It's basically their "default" mode.  Under stress or anxiety or difficult situations, they just go into "default" mode.

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 10, 2016, 11:07:06 AM
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: CathMom
A great number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are drawn to the traditional movement.  They are exposed in Novus Ordo, then claim a conversion, become traditional priests, and then go on to abuse or attempt to abuse young boys.  I think trad circles are a good place for them to hide and families are more trusting with their boys.


I have been hearing this for years.  And I have to say that the "traditional movement" must be incredibly good at hiding this "great number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests".  Where are they all?  I can count on one hand the number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ scandals I've heard about in the SSPX and in all the other independent traditional chapels.  

Of course, I don't think for a moment that I have heard about every single ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ scandal--but even if I've only heard of a minority of the scandals and given that credible estimates indicate that more than half of all Conciliar clergy are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, it certainly does not seem that "great numbers" of these ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are being drawn to the "traditional movement".

I must disagree with Alexandria.  I don't think this is an "excellent post".  I think the author calumniated an entire class of priests.  Either than, or we two have a completely different understanding of the meaning of the "traditional movement."


There are two "traditional" ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests in Scranton, PA.  One of these priests was a former NO priest who was "falsely accused."  Many trads I know LOVE this man.  They talk about how great he is.  Yet, he lives with another former priest "falsely accused."  They outwardly tried to convert at least one young man.  How many others, I don't know.  One of this priests regular house visitors is a former NO priest who STILL has a NO Mass at the house.  He is a NOTORIOUS ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ who was arrested in NYC after taking a seminarian to his apartment.  A very, very good friend used to talk about how great he was and how he was "trying" to become a trad priest.  He was brought to my home and I IMMEDIATELY saw that he was a flaming queer.

Father Tetherow.  Loved by MANY in trad circles.  

Another priest I know, can't recollect his name.  I went to one of his Masses.  Another "falsely accused."  A real creepo.  I wouldn't leave my kids alone with him for a second.

Another former priest I know who sends my gαydar bleeping claims that some of the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests he has known have sought out "traditional" communities to "hide."  

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men are PREDATORS.  They are LIARS.  They will do or say ANYTHING to recruit young boys.  They like to get them at about 17 or 18---not really old enough to think critically or independently and old enough to "consent" to their sick seductions.

I haven't calumniated anybody.  There are some incredible and holy traditional priests.  What I said is that these ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are drawn to the traditional movement.  They lie and deceive so they can continue to abuse.  And traditional Catholics welcome them.  Why?  Because most of them have never been around ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs long enough to recognize them or understand how they work.  And become traditional Catholics always hope that NO priests convert.  



Several years ago I read on the internet that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests were attracted to the traditional church because of the pageantry and vestments.  They are prone to flamboyance and being campy.

Timothy Svea (ICK) comes to mind, and also the infamous Urritigoity (and his fellow ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priest and seminarian friends).

We can't forget Francis Schuckhardt (CMRI) either who had been booted out of the seminary before VII for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: TKGS on May 10, 2016, 11:18:33 AM
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Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: CathMom
A great number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are drawn to the traditional movement.  They are exposed in Novus Ordo, then claim a conversion, become traditional priests, and then go on to abuse or attempt to abuse young boys.  I think trad circles are a good place for them to hide and families are more trusting with their boys.


I have been hearing this for years.  And I have to say that the "traditional movement" must be incredibly good at hiding this "great number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests".  Where are they all?  I can count on one hand the number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ scandals I've heard about in the SSPX and in all the other independent traditional chapels.  

Of course, I don't think for a moment that I have heard about every single ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ scandal--but even if I've only heard of a minority of the scandals and given that credible estimates indicate that more than half of all Conciliar clergy are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, it certainly does not seem that "great numbers" of these ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are being drawn to the "traditional movement".

I must disagree with Alexandria.  I don't think this is an "excellent post".  I think the author calumniated an entire class of priests.  Either than, or we two have a completely different understanding of the meaning of the "traditional movement."


There are two "traditional" ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests in Scranton, PA.  One of these priests was a former NO priest who was "falsely accused."  Many trads I know LOVE this man.  They talk about how great he is.  Yet, he lives with another former priest "falsely accused."  They outwardly tried to convert at least one young man.  How many others, I don't know.  One of this priests regular house visitors is a former NO priest who STILL has a NO Mass at the house.  He is a NOTORIOUS ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ who was arrested in NYC after taking a seminarian to his apartment.  A very, very good friend used to talk about how great he was and how he was "trying" to become a trad priest.  He was brought to my home and I IMMEDIATELY saw that he was a flaming queer.

Father Tetherow.  Loved by MANY in trad circles.  

Another priest I know, can't recollect his name.  I went to one of his Masses.  Another "falsely accused."  A real creepo.  I wouldn't leave my kids alone with him for a second.

Another former priest I know who sends my gαydar bleeping claims that some of the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests he has known have sought out "traditional" communities to "hide."  

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men are PREDATORS.  They are LIARS.  They will do or say ANYTHING to recruit young boys.  They like to get them at about 17 or 18---not really old enough to think critically or independently and old enough to "consent" to their sick seductions.

I haven't calumniated anybody.  There are some incredible and holy traditional priests.  What I said is that these ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are drawn to the traditional movement.  They lie and deceive so they can continue to abuse.  And traditional Catholics welcome them.  Why?  Because most of them have never been around ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs long enough to recognize them or understand how they work.  And become traditional Catholics always hope that NO priests convert.  


Assuming you are correct in your assessment (and I believe you, by the way), the number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ "traditional" priests I've heard about can still fit on one hand and all but one originates in Pennsylvania.  Interesting.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 10, 2016, 12:33:57 PM
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: CathMom
A great number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are drawn to the traditional movement.  They are exposed in Novus Ordo, then claim a conversion, become traditional priests, and then go on to abuse or attempt to abuse young boys.  I think trad circles are a good place for them to hide and families are more trusting with their boys.


I have been hearing this for years.  And I have to say that the "traditional movement" must be incredibly good at hiding this "great number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests".  Where are they all?  I can count on one hand the number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ scandals I've heard about in the SSPX and in all the other independent traditional chapels.  

Of course, I don't think for a moment that I have heard about every single ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ scandal--but even if I've only heard of a minority of the scandals and given that credible estimates indicate that more than half of all Conciliar clergy are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, it certainly does not seem that "great numbers" of these ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are being drawn to the "traditional movement".

I must disagree with Alexandria.  I don't think this is an "excellent post".  I think the author calumniated an entire class of priests.  Either than, or we two have a completely different understanding of the meaning of the "traditional movement."


There are two "traditional" ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests in Scranton, PA.  One of these priests was a former NO priest who was "falsely accused."  Many trads I know LOVE this man.  They talk about how great he is.  Yet, he lives with another former priest "falsely accused."  They outwardly tried to convert at least one young man.  How many others, I don't know.  One of this priests regular house visitors is a former NO priest who STILL has a NO Mass at the house.  He is a NOTORIOUS ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ who was arrested in NYC after taking a seminarian to his apartment.  A very, very good friend used to talk about how great he was and how he was "trying" to become a trad priest.  He was brought to my home and I IMMEDIATELY saw that he was a flaming queer.

Father Tetherow.  Loved by MANY in trad circles.  

Another priest I know, can't recollect his name.  I went to one of his Masses.  Another "falsely accused."  A real creepo.  I wouldn't leave my kids alone with him for a second.

Another former priest I know who sends my gαydar bleeping claims that some of the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests he has known have sought out "traditional" communities to "hide."  

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men are PREDATORS.  They are LIARS.  They will do or say ANYTHING to recruit young boys.  They like to get them at about 17 or 18---not really old enough to think critically or independently and old enough to "consent" to their sick seductions.

I haven't calumniated anybody.  There are some incredible and holy traditional priests.  What I said is that these ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are drawn to the traditional movement.  They lie and deceive so they can continue to abuse.  And traditional Catholics welcome them.  Why?  Because most of them have never been around ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs long enough to recognize them or understand how they work.  And become traditional Catholics always hope that NO priests convert.  


To be clear, are you talking about st michaels? Because this would concern me if they are infiltrated by this.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 10, 2016, 01:04:20 PM
What is it with Pennsylvania and these perverts?

Curiously, Scranton diocese forbade Voris from speaking on any of their grounds about 5 years back.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: LaramieHirsch on May 11, 2016, 04:18:56 AM
Croixalist, take note.  You started the journey on this one.  So, here it is.


Not So Sure I Support Voris (http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2016/05/not-so-sure-i-support-voris.html)



Only days after Michael Voris' confession to having a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past, colleagues on various Catholic forums have been picking apart the meaning and implications of Michael Voris' past.  

My argument has been to compare Voris to St. Paul.  St. Paul, one day, was killing Christians.  The next day, he was preaching to them.  And I simply must give a man an opportunity to be repentant.  I cannot just disregard a person forever.  If they say they're repenting, I've got to hope they're serious.  

But Croixalist, over at Cathinfo, has given me pause. He speculated about Voris' orientation as early as February of 2015.  You can find Croixalist's comment about Voris in my first post about Voris' coming out.  However, I've found his speculations compelling:

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He was a planted time-bomb within the traditionalist community and is most likely a very active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ whose services are in high demand from the satanic ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ-sex cult currently operating under the guise of the Catholic Church. Ever wondered how traditionalists must seem to the Satanic Elite? Here is their facsimile of one!


This is either a horrible thing to say, or it is true.  I mean, I really want to give Michael Voris the benefit of the doubt.  I want to believe that the man is truly regretful and repentant for his previous lifestyle.  It is the timeline that Croixalist provides that gives me pause:

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1981-1991: Slept around with untold numbers of men and women.

1991-2001: "Confused" about sɛҳuąƖity, but sure enough to live with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men. Confused about how to split the rent probably.

2001-2004: Goes to Novus Ordo Mass but still sinning. Not yet abhorring sins against God and his own body.

2003: Begins doing speaking engagements as a traditionalist Catholic before ending his career as a sodomite. He has admitted to spotty Mass attendance as "increasingly frequent" during this time.

2004-2006: Stops having sex with men after his mother's death. He is 43 years old! Decides to start his own traditionalist Catholic show and website complete with logo and tag line and thousands of dollars in equipment.. in Detroit.

2006-2013: Falsely presents himself as a formerly lukewarm Catholic, who just wants to defend the traditional Faith now.  Snuggles up to every traditionalist personality he can get his hands on, culminating in his appearance at the 2013 Catholic Identity Conference.

2014-2016: Five months after the 2013 conference and seven months ahead of the 2014 Synod of the Family, he makes an about face and slams all of his previous trad buds from the previous years. All the original links to CMTV's website are dead, but you can be assured it happened! One reaction to it is here.  Gets exclusive access to Q&amp;A sessions at the Vatican during the 2014 synod.  Also happens to get access to Archbishop Dolan about the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ parade on St. Patrick's day 2015.

2016-????: Two weeks after Amoris Laetitia is released, he comes out as a former ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ yet currently repentant man in order to circuмvent the actions of the Archdiocese of New York. Catholics and bloggers everywhere call him courageous and that his past doesn't matter! Ingenious!


First of all, I am completely open to any corrections to this timeline.  But, given what I've read and seen, this seems to be a legitimate and accurate timeline.  Does the tone reek of judgementalism?  Yes.  But how can Croixalist not be harsh about this man, who has basically stabbed most Traditionalists in the back with his anti-SSPX carnival and his Pollyanna, rose-colored glasses in regards to Pope Francis?

More?  Okay.  Voris has some weird associations.  Per Croixalist, "Wikipedia mentions a video he made in 1997 with a certain Jonathan Fitzgerald Mola called "Double Trouble." There are no copies out there that we know about and that's probably for the best."

Double Trouble.  Okay.  But this was before Voris' repentance, right?  However, St. Michael's Media has, in the past, employed Anthony Perlas, a strange sort of soft porn photographer that even Steve Skojec has warned the Traditionalist community about.  Another one?  Simon Rafe, it was discovered in 2011, served at St. Michael's Media as a staff apologist and program host.  This man, Rafe, is responsible for writing the “adult” role-playing game “Castle Dracula,” and fan-fiction depicting ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in the Star Wars universe.

How can I ignore these points?  This is all public--including Voris' confessed ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyle--which, by the way, no one asked him to confess to.  Furthermore, the Archdiocese of New York continues to deny that they had it out for him.  And how, on Earth, can I ignore the reasonable questions of Croixalist when he asks:

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Why do people assume he's telling the truth about giving up that "lifestyle"? He lied about being a regular Joe-Novus-Ordo Catholic, he lied about being a traditional Catholic, and the timing of his public stances are aligned with major actions from the Vatican.


This is all objectively true.  It's as though Michael Voris is setting some kind of a tone for how Traditionalist Catholics "should be."  My responses to Croixalist have been that I've got to be able to believe that someone can come from that kind of a lifestyle and successfully repent.  However, I also ask myself: "Laramie, when have you ever seen someone do 'Life' right? When have you ever seen someone come through and be a true blue successful genuine article? Once?"

The fires of suspicion have only been fueled by fellow Traditionalist colleagues.  Unlike Croixalist, Steve Skojec hasn't come out to state that ChurchMilitantTV is a sham that sets out to fool naive Traditionalist Catholics.  However, the occasion has compelled him to ponder on CMTV's cultish behavior:

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I am not accusing Church Militant of any impropriety, which I want to make entirely clear. But my experiences cause me to reflect on what I see, and that is a danger in their current trajectory. Any organization that quashes respectful disagreement or engages willfully in an “us vs. them” mentality with anyone not perfectly aligned with their vision opens the door to undesirable influences and results. Fr. Nicholson’s sudden and vitriolic departure seems to provide evidence that this was, to some extent, already happening.


Steve Skojec's double-take helped all the more to serve as a wakeup call.  When it comes to the staff of CMTV...they're not angels. If anything, CMTV is cult-like. From their knee-jerk requirement of not questioning authority, to the slamming of their competitors, to their scrubbing of comments in their own website's com boxes. Cult-like, all of it.

Greg, over at Te Deum also had a thing or to to say to me and my "give-him-the-benefit-of-the-doubt" hopes.  I was arguing with my British colleague that "perhaps [Voris] was full of zeal, post repentance.  I cannot fault him for that."  On the other hand, perhaps I've been caught up in the excitement and emotion of Voris' sensational, and very public, confession.  Greg argued that repentance needs humility more than it needs zeal:

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If you are a sodomite for 15+ years, you hardly want a career in media. It's full of sodomites, liberals and vain people who care about their appearance. A terrible choice. Who was his spiritual director? Caitlin Upton?

There are a million and one other things to do. And if you do stay in the media then why on earth would you take a starring role? Why not find a hetrosɛҳuąƖ father of 3 or better still a Catholic priest or Monk and make them the star of the show with some conservative bishop's permission. Run the advertising department or be the CEO in the background.

Besides, I really don't see how he Voris is qualified to comment of matters of Church discipline, liturgy, canon law and doctrine. When did he have the chance to study that before launching the media station? You can't just read a few Michael Davis books and the Baltimore Catechism and be an expert on these issues. It's arrogant in the extreme to think you can.

Given the number of queers who would have known him in the late 80s and through the 90s he was very lucky that they didn't expose him until now.


Reasonable words from Greg, as usual--harsh, though they may be.  He is right, however.  Why get before a camera, front and center, and become the star of a Traditionalist Catholic show when you're trying to leave behind a life that pretty much was a wasteland?

Furthermore, looking upon a past RealCatholicTV video (CMTV's original name), Michael Voris even seems to think highly of himself as a formerly ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ man.  As if he is some sort of special chosen messenger from God.  Voris says the following:

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"I do not know, but I suspect that some point in their lives many such souls actually come to the intuition that God has specially chosen them to be instruments a Salvation like few others have been chosen and as a result they actually glory in their cross."


Voris, I don't know about this, man.  I don't know about how you're sounding here.  When I step back and look at the bigger picture, you really sound manipulative when I hear you say something like this.  This video takes place before he betrays the Traditionalist Catholic community, by the way.  

There is still more.  Chris Ferarra, an excellent author and lawyer, commented over at Steve's blog during that eventful week.  His insight, as always, is mind-opening.  Skojec stated that Voris was being transparent with his public confession about an active sɛҳuąƖ ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past.  Ferarra disagreed that it was transparent at all:

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Transparency triggered by someone else threatening to reveal your past is not transparency. It's a PR tactic called "getting ahead of the story."  

Real transparency is nothing being hidden from the beginning, especially something as horrendous as this. Had Voris come clean at the outset and had made it his theme that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is not an "orientation" but a disorder from which one can recover with God's grace, then we could speak of transparency. But had he made that admission at the outset, I rather doubt he could have achieved any prominence as a member of the Catholic Internet commentariat.

My question is how does someone with a past like this, even if he is right with God today, get to be a public commentator issuing judgments against the likes of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre?

My view is that the only appropriate response to Voris's revelations is an embarrassed silence, and certainly not a ringing defense of his "transparency," of which there was really none.


Yes.  What would Voris' apostolate resemble if, from the beginning, he were a professed former ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ man?  I imagine that RealCatholicTV/CMTV would pretty much resemble the Sewing Circle, aka Fisheaters, which everyone leaves once they discover that other, more heterosɛҳuąƖ and less feminist forums exist.

After these things have been stated, I simply cannot return to viewing The Vortex or any other ChurchMilitantTV program with the same naive, hopeful ignorance that I possessed when I first started watching Michael Voris six years ago.  There is too much going on, and I simply do not trust their organization any longer--particularly with their cult-like policy of shutting down all conversation in their comment boxes, Opus Dei-style non-questioning of Pope Francis, and FSSP-styled resentment and aggression towards the Society.  

Ferarra's brilliant words are a perfect summary of my thoughts and feelings on this matter, so I'll end with his words:

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I agree the bottom of this story has yet to be reached.

Let me say this about Voris and his investigations. In the midst of the worst crisis in Church history---Amoris latetitia is the most horrific papal docuмent in Church history---a massive investigation of how a "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" monsignor in the Bronx spent a lot of money on himself and his boy toy while the Archdiocese tried to cover it up doesn't strike me as groundbreaking work. That story can be repeated in practically every diocese in the Western Church. Take your pick. Investigate them all. You will find such scandals in just about every one of them.

Church Militant seems to be dedicated to the proposition that we must never examine the cause of the ecclesial disease, which lies in Rome, but rather ignore it completely while demanding endless outrage over whatever symptoms Voris and his band of cub reporters are pointing at, and jumping up and down over, this week.

And perhaps you saw his ludicrous back-tracking on washing the feet of women, which he blasted as absolutely intolerable a few years back, but now finds a way to justify because Francis has patented the abuse?

The whole show from the warehouse in Detroit strikes me as a massive distraction.

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on May 11, 2016, 07:50:01 AM
Wow, good on you for putting that out there, Laramie. I'm glad you got a well-known trad to quote from, Ferrara's a solid guy! I don't know if anyone will really bother with this story moving forward unless Voris goes transgender, but it really ought to shoot his credibility down for most traditional Catholics in the know.

Just out of curiosity, I wonder what goes through Voris' mind when he hears about all the water shut-offs in his city... time for another cruise?

:jester:
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 12, 2016, 10:10:02 PM
It seems it is always about money.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 12, 2016, 10:13:58 PM
Money and trips to Europe.  And pink shirts and ties.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 12, 2016, 10:19:04 PM
I used to watch the Vortex before. Not anymore. Since I knew about Voris' past I cannot bring myself to. I feel disgusted.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 12, 2016, 11:49:18 PM
From TIA comments:

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What Mr. Voris fails to understand is that an ex-addict of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity cannot be a beacon of orientation on Catholic doctrine in a time of confusion like ours. No one who watches his flamboyant performances can dissociate them from the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ of the past thirsty for extravagance and applause. I believe it is too much for him to oblige his viewers to stomach this kind of obnoxious spice in his preaching.

 I am sure that if Mr. Voris were to travel to the present day Vatican and confess his past life there, he would be quickly absolved for what would be considered a “peccadillo.” Perhaps he would even be invited to assume a position in the Roman Curia. But this Vatican staff no longer represents the Catholic Church. And Mr. Voris is well aware of this fact.

 So, my point is: If the “confession” of Mr. Voris were sincere, he should go away, leave the public scene to make penance for his past and avoid causing scandal and confusion. If he continues with his splashy shows, he will never be free of his label of “ex.” He will be doing a disservice to the cause he imagines he is serving.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 13, 2016, 11:41:27 AM
Is there any truth to the story that he was in the ANY seminary in the late eighties?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 13, 2016, 03:05:33 PM
Someone was recently blacklisted from CMTV.
"Scanner" from Remnant writes:


"Wow. I Just got blacklisted from the comments section at CMTV.
They have their "article" on Monsignor Hugh O'Flaherty. I simply stated "Mons. O'flaherty worked in the Holy Office (today's CDF) and he twice signed, under two popes, the condemnation of the text, devotions and images of the Divine Mercy." That is all I wrote. Those are facts, not opinions. That was enough to get be blacklisted. Incredible."

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Alexandria on May 13, 2016, 03:55:28 PM
Quote from: Guest
Someone was recently blacklisted from CMTV.
"Scanner" from Remnant writes:


"Wow. I Just got blacklisted from the comments section at CMTV.
They have their "article" on Monsignor Hugh O'Flaherty. I simply stated "Mons. O'flaherty worked in the Holy Office (today's CDF) and he twice signed, under two popes, the condemnation of the text, devotions and images of the Divine Mercy." That is all I wrote. Those are facts, not opinions. That was enough to get be blacklisted. Incredible."


I can't find these docuмents in a search.  Do you happen to have a link to them?  

I've never cared for Faustina and she has many fanatics running around today.  

Didn't mean to derail the topic.  I have found that most neoCats have no use for facts, especially when those facts topple their sand castles.

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 13, 2016, 04:21:07 PM
Quote from: Alexandria
Quote from: Guest
Someone was recently blacklisted from CMTV.
"Scanner" from Remnant writes:


"Wow. I Just got blacklisted from the comments section at CMTV.
They have their "article" on Monsignor Hugh O'Flaherty. I simply stated "Mons. O'flaherty worked in the Holy Office (today's CDF) and he twice signed, under two popes, the condemnation of the text, devotions and images of the Divine Mercy." That is all I wrote. Those are facts, not opinions. That was enough to get be blacklisted. Incredible."


I can't find these docuмents in a search.  Do you happen to have a link to them?  

I've never cared for Faustina and she has many fanatics running around today.  

Didn't mean to derail the topic.  I have found that most neoCats have no use for facts, especially when those facts topple their sand castles.


http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/divine-mercy-condemned.htm (http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/divine-mercy-condemned.htm)

http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f072_DivMercy.htm (http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f072_DivMercy.htm)
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Alexandria on May 13, 2016, 05:09:04 PM
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Alexandria
Quote from: Guest
Someone was recently blacklisted from CMTV.
"Scanner" from Remnant writes:


"Wow. I Just got blacklisted from the comments section at CMTV.
They have their "article" on Monsignor Hugh O'Flaherty. I simply stated "Mons. O'flaherty worked in the Holy Office (today's CDF) and he twice signed, under two popes, the condemnation of the text, devotions and images of the Divine Mercy." That is all I wrote. Those are facts, not opinions. That was enough to get be blacklisted. Incredible."


I can't find these docuмents in a search.  Do you happen to have a link to them?  

I've never cared for Faustina and she has many fanatics running around today.  

Didn't mean to derail the topic.  I have found that most neoCats have no use for facts, especially when those facts topple their sand castles.


http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/divine-mercy-condemned.htm (http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/divine-mercy-condemned.htm)

http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f072_DivMercy.htm (http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f072_DivMercy.htm)


Thank you.  The TIA article by Fr. Perez was very good.

I'm looking though to read the actual Vatican docuмents.  I'm assuming that the Acta (if I download it) is all in Latin?  Doesn't help me.  My rudimentary knowledge of Latin would not enable me to translate a docuмent.

Do you happen to know where the actual docuмents are in English?
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 14, 2016, 12:43:49 AM
Quote from: Alexandria
Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Alexandria
Quote from: Guest
Someone was recently blacklisted from CMTV.
"Scanner" from Remnant writes:


"Wow. I Just got blacklisted from the comments section at CMTV.
They have their "article" on Monsignor Hugh O'Flaherty. I simply stated "Mons. O'flaherty worked in the Holy Office (today's CDF) and he twice signed, under two popes, the condemnation of the text, devotions and images of the Divine Mercy." That is all I wrote. Those are facts, not opinions. That was enough to get be blacklisted. Incredible."


I can't find these docuмents in a search.  Do you happen to have a link to them?  

I've never cared for Faustina and she has many fanatics running around today.  

Didn't mean to derail the topic.  I have found that most neoCats have no use for facts, especially when those facts topple their sand castles.


http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/divine-mercy-condemned.htm (http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/divine-mercy-condemned.htm)

http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f072_DivMercy.htm (http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f072_DivMercy.htm)


Thank you.  The TIA article by Fr. Perez was very good.

I'm looking though to read the actual Vatican docuмents.  I'm assuming that the Acta (if I download it) is all in Latin?  Doesn't help me.  My rudimentary knowledge of Latin would not enable me to translate a docuмent.

Do you happen to know where the actual docuмents are in English?

It's actually in Italian and Latin.

The first condemnation is in Italiano.
The Second, in Latin.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/aas/docuмents/AAS-51-1959-ocr.pdf (http://www.vatican.va/archive/aas/docuмents/AAS-51-1959-ocr.pdf)

In that PDF, scroll down to page 271.
You can copy paste it onto google translator. Here is the text in Italian.

NOTIFICAZIONE
Si rende noto che la Suprema Sacra Congregazione dei Sant'Offizio,
prese in esame le asserite visioni e rivelazioni di Suor Faustina Kowalska,
dell'Istituto di Nostra Signora della Misericordia, defunta nel 1938
presso Cracovia, ha stabilito quanto segue :
1. doversi proibire la diffusione delle immagini e degli scritti che
presentano la devozione della Divina Misericordia nelle forme proposte
dalla medesima Suor Faustina;
2. essere demandato alla prudenza dei Vescovi il compito di rimuovere
le predette immagini, che eventualmente fossero già esposte al
culto.
Dal Palazzo del S. Offizio, 6 marzo 1959.
Ugo O'Flaherty, Notare

Rough Google translation:

NOTIFICATION
Notice is hereby given that the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office ,
He examined the alleged visions and revelations of Sister Faustina Kowalska ,
the Institute of Our Lady of Mercy , deceased in 1938
near Krakow , it held as follows :
1. having to prohibit the dissemination of images and writings belonging to the  devotion of Divine Mercy in the forms proposed
by that Sister Faustina ;
2. be delegated to the prudence of Bishops the task of removing
the above images , which were possibly already exposed cult. (In Churches)

From the Palace of the Holy Office , March 6, 1959 .
Hugh O'Flaherty , Notary

(And here again, that was just the first condemnation)
Of course, "bad translation" is the pretext given as to why it was condemned. And magically pronounced as dogma by a Polish pope...

Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Alexandria on May 14, 2016, 12:10:05 PM
Anonymous, thank you.  I appreciate it.   :cheers:
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 19, 2016, 05:51:03 PM
Looking for a few gαy, err, good men.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/2s63fgk.jpg)
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 20, 2016, 09:20:41 AM
Its been about a month since he "came out" to the world and its just another black mark on the church. I don't trust him.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Croixalist on May 20, 2016, 02:09:52 PM
Quote from: Guest
Looking for a few gαy, err, good men.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/2s63fgk.jpg)


Uh oh, Voris took his shoes off! I wonder which one of those guys has massage duty!
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on May 20, 2016, 06:37:33 PM
Quote from: Croixalist
Quote from: Guest
Looking for a few gαy, err, good men.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/2s63fgk.jpg)


Uh oh, Voris took his shoes off! I wonder which one of those guys has massage duty!


He has his eyes fixed on the portly young man with the velvet tie.
Well, he is not looking directly at him, but...somewhere else.
Sick
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on June 06, 2016, 11:02:05 PM
Quote from: Guest
Looking for a few gαy, err, good men.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/2s63fgk.jpg)


Just Pause for a moment.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on June 06, 2016, 11:06:52 PM
Is that a dis courage meeting?


Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on June 07, 2016, 03:43:41 PM
The picture of the Divine Mercy, is Christ without His Heart.  The Sacred Heart of Jesus when changed to no heart, is that not calling Christ a liar?  Christ is in every home I hope and I hope He exposes His Sacred Heart.
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Geremia on July 19, 2016, 10:43:41 AM
E. Michael Jones wrote a new e-book on this recently:
The Man Behind the Curtain: Michael Voris and the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Vortex (http://culturewars.com/ebooks.htm).
Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Änσnymσus on July 24, 2016, 01:10:35 PM
Quote from: Geremia
E. Michael Jones wrote a new e-book on this recently:
The Man Behind the Curtain: Michael Voris and the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Vortex (http://culturewars.com/ebooks.htm).


I will read it.
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Title: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
Post by: Prayerful on July 24, 2016, 05:04:07 PM
Quote from: Guest
Read Marc Brammer's LinkedIn.

He's a banker, who specializes in credit risk analysis and seems to advise a lot of people.

He is currently working on a project to put together computerized medical records, probably for the govt.

I bet he is seriously loaded.


That's why I think he's the source. He can live without $50,000. I suspect he regards Michael Voris' sketchy, dishonest conduct, whether financially and socially, as something that had to exposed. If people can get to know Mr Voris as he is, Mr Brammer can do without his investment. Given how Mr Voris structured CMTV with assets and operations hived off in so many funny ways, his investment was probably worthless even if Gary the Fairy wasn't exposed.