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« Reply #90 on: April 24, 2016, 07:24:33 AM »
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    The Voris Timeline:

    1981-1991 Slept around with men and women.

    1991-2001 "Confused" about sɛҳuąƖity, but sure enough to live with gαy men. Confused about how to split the rent probably.

    2001-2004 Goes to Novus Ordo Mass but still sinning. Not yet abhoring sins against God and his own body.

    Added:  In 2003 Michael began speaking at various parishes throughout Detroit and from 2004 - 2006 he was regularly hosting programmes broadcast on Michigan Catholic Radio

    2004-2006 Stops having sex with men after his mother's death. Decides to start his own traditionalist Catholic show and website complete with logo and tag line and thousands of dollars in equipment.. in Detroit.

    2006-2013 Falsely presents himself as a formerly lukewarm Catholic, who just wants to defend the traditional Faith now.

    -Snuggles up to every traditionalist personality he can get his hands on, culminating in his appearance at the 2013 Catholic Identity Conference. http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/09/catholic-identity-conference-2013.html#more

    2013-2016 Five months after the 2013 conference and seven months ahead of the 2014 Synod of the Family, he makes an about face and slams all of his previous trad buds from the previous years. All the original links to CMTV's website are dead, but you can be assured it happened! Some reactions to it:

    etc...


    I added one from 2003.  
    Someone pointed out elsewhere, he went almost instantaneously from committing sins that cry to heaven for vengeance to being a public speaker on Catholic issues.   :scratchchin:

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    « Reply #91 on: April 24, 2016, 08:27:34 AM »
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  • It seems like those in the media and entertainment have to sleep their way to the top.  


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    « Reply #92 on: April 24, 2016, 09:33:20 AM »
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    The Voris Timeline:

    1981-1991 Slept around with men and women.

    1991-2001 "Confused" about sɛҳuąƖity, but sure enough to live with gαy men. Confused about how to split the rent probably.

    2001-2004 Goes to Novus Ordo Mass but still sinning. Not yet abhoring sins against God and his own body.

    Added:  In 2003 Michael began speaking at various parishes throughout Detroit and from 2004 - 2006 he was regularly hosting programmes broadcast on Michigan Catholic Radio

    2004-2006 Stops having sex with men after his mother's death. Decides to start his own traditionalist Catholic show and website complete with logo and tag line and thousands of dollars in equipment.. in Detroit.

    2006-2013 Falsely presents himself as a formerly lukewarm Catholic, who just wants to defend the traditional Faith now.

    -Snuggles up to every traditionalist personality he can get his hands on, culminating in his appearance at the 2013 Catholic Identity Conference. http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/09/catholic-identity-conference-2013.html#more

    2013-2016 Five months after the 2013 conference and seven months ahead of the 2014 Synod of the Family, he makes an about face and slams all of his previous trad buds from the previous years. All the original links to CMTV's website are dead, but you can be assured it happened! Some reactions to it:

    etc...


    I added one from 2003.  
    Someone pointed out elsewhere, he went almost instantaneously from committing sins that cry to heaven for vengeance to being a public speaker on Catholic issues.   :scratchchin:


    Nice, thanks for the tip! That would mean he was actively speaking BEFORE his mother's death and therefore prior to the end of his sodomite career.

    Does this idiot know how much he's already contradicting himself?
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    « Reply #93 on: April 24, 2016, 10:34:12 AM »
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    The Voris Timeline:

    1981-1991 Slept around with men and women.

    1991-2001 "Confused" about sɛҳuąƖity, but sure enough to live with gαy men. Confused about how to split the rent probably.

    2001-2004 Goes to Novus Ordo Mass but still sinning. Not yet abhoring sins against God and his own body.

    Added:  In 2003 Michael began speaking at various parishes throughout Detroit and from 2004 - 2006 he was regularly hosting programmes broadcast on Michigan Catholic Radio

    2004-2006 Stops having sex with men after his mother's death. Decides to start his own traditionalist Catholic show and website complete with logo and tag line and thousands of dollars in equipment.. in Detroit.

    2006-2013 Falsely presents himself as a formerly lukewarm Catholic, who just wants to defend the traditional Faith now.

    -Snuggles up to every traditionalist personality he can get his hands on, culminating in his appearance at the 2013 Catholic Identity Conference. http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/09/catholic-identity-conference-2013.html#more

    2013-2016 Five months after the 2013 conference and seven months ahead of the 2014 Synod of the Family, he makes an about face and slams all of his previous trad buds from the previous years. All the original links to CMTV's website are dead, but you can be assured it happened! Some reactions to it:

    etc...


    I added one from 2003.  
    Someone pointed out elsewhere, he went almost instantaneously from committing sins that cry to heaven for vengeance to being a public speaker on Catholic issues.   :scratchchin:


    Nice, thanks for the tip! That would mean he was actively speaking BEFORE his mother's death and therefore prior to the end of his sodomite career.

    Does this idiot know how much he's already contradicting himself?



    I have concluded that you have been right all along, Croixalist. I detract my fist statement in his defense.

    I will never be able to look at Voris the same as before (and not in a good way).

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    « Reply #94 on: April 24, 2016, 12:37:46 PM »
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    Now that he's playing the repentant gαy victim card, he's virtually invulnerable to traditionalist fire... until you look at the circuмstances that is.


    Hmmm.  I've gotta be honest.  I've got to give him the benefit of the doubt today.  I mean...I've got to be able to believe that someone can come from that kind of a lifestyle and successfully repent.  

    However, I also ask myself: "Laramie, when have you ever seen someone do 'Life' right?  When have you ever seen someone come through and be a true blue successful genuine article?  Once?"

    Croixalist, you got me thinking on this.  Your supposition is possible.   But I'd also like to think Voris' stated repentance is possible.  

    This is not a closed book.  Not for me.


    He lived this lifestyle for what 44-45 years!? Then repents and becomes catholic mentor for the true faith? With sodomy causing so many of the church's and worlds problems shouldn't he have brought this up a while ago because now he HAD to discuss it because someone is ready to roll on him.

    a quick search on him now brings up several stories of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs excited about this in a couple ways: he's one of them at heart OR down goes another catholic.


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    « Reply #95 on: April 24, 2016, 12:38:31 PM »
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    Okay, Croixalist, listen up.  Here's what I want you to do.  

    My blog post (the one that's on page 1 of this thread) is generating high traffic right now.  I want you to go on there, to that post, and I want you to post what you're stating right here on Cathinfo.  

    This will generate the attention of r-selected types--the go-along-get-along Catholics who are trapped in confirmation bias.  They will see what you have to say, and you will be sharing this message with a lot of people out there.  Do this right away.  

    It is possible that we might see someone else come along with these suspicions, and that they've been waiting to hear it from someone else.  Or, perhaps someone will come along and help you to flush out your thoughts on this matter.  Either way, I'd like to see how what you say here stands up to a lot of non-Cathinfo traffic.  

    In fact, direct people to this very thread, and we can perhaps pull some new traffic to Cathinfo this week.  I'm sure Matthew would like that.

    Perhaps sharing this with a larger audience will spark something unexpected?  Just a thought.  But I encourage you to give it a try.  

    I'd start a new post about this topic, but the main viral traffic is going to this specific post that I've already put out there.

    http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2016/04/i-support-michael-voris-today.html


    In the meantime--again--I'm open to more discussion about this.  That Voris is some kind of a gαy shill who's playing Traditionalists this entire time.  If I see more of this kind of talk, I will be further intrigued and compelled to distrust him.  In which case, I'll spread the word if that happens.



    Well, I thought I had it posted anonymously but it either hasn't been approved yet or deleted. Let it be known that I gave it a shot.
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    « Reply #96 on: April 24, 2016, 12:40:44 PM »
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    I have concluded that you have been right all along, Croixalist. I detract my fist statement in his defense.

    I will never be able to look at Voris the same as before (and not in a good way).


    Great, I hope more people come around to this!
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    « Reply #97 on: April 24, 2016, 01:00:00 PM »
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    Question 2:



    I think croixalist is right.

    There is another thing.  On many Catholic sites there appears gαy activist trolls.  I haven't seen much of that on churchmilitant.


    Ive looked at church militant website and YouTube. They disable comments on you tube and activity weed out comments in their website.  Comments even from trolls can raise a suspicion.

    Cathinfo and remnant are the only sources I know to check for catholic news. I try to avoid searching in the cesspool of media.


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    « Reply #98 on: April 24, 2016, 01:35:24 PM »
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  • https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/vorisgate-a-message-from-cmtv/

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    Marc Brammer, who IS a member of Opus Dei, helped launch RealCatholicTV.com in 2008 with “funding” of $250,000


    Does this explain everything?

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    « Reply #99 on: April 24, 2016, 01:56:29 PM »
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    Well, I thought I had it posted anonymously but it either hasn't been approved yet or deleted. Let it be known that I gave it a shot.


    Try again.  Copy and paste your text on Notepad, in case you have a problem again.  If the second try doesn't work, PM the text to me, and I'll take care of it.

    Strike while the iron is hot.
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    « Reply #100 on: April 24, 2016, 04:31:28 PM »
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  • Banned just now from Lifesite news comments for saying:

    I am a father of seven. Four of them boys.
    Knowing what we know now about MV, would you trust an all-boys apostolate to a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ who actively engaged (that we know of)in that sinful life for 15-years?
    Bluntly: Would you send you sons here knowing what you know now?

    (This is a good way to take the pulse of the mindset of today’s traditional Catholics)
    I quote from CMTV’s site:

    St. Michael’s Media
    “Lord Jesus, use us to save souls, keep us always faithful to Your commandments, and
    never let me be parted from you.”
    Saint Michael’s Media is an effort to bring the new evangelization and the lay apostolate to the new media, and to embody the spiritual works of mercy of instructing the ignorant, admonishing the sinner, and teaching the Catholic faith. Our work is dedicated to saving our own souls by making ourselves available to Our Blessed Lord to be used to help save other souls. It is in this spirit that we want to share our apostolic work with young men (18-25 years of age, with minimum of a high school degree) still discerning how they might best serve Christ and His Church, as they seek to respond to the call of the Holy Spirit in their lives (emphasis on, but not limited to, former seminarians and those currently discerning).

    So, we are embarking on a new endeavor we call PAUSE: a twelve-month program, structured roughly around a traditional academic calendar in which candidates learn deeply about the Catholic Faith by taking a “pause” from their current life circuмstances and come to pray/discern/study/work/live with other like-minded individuals who desire to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit, and how best to serve the Church.

    The program is directed toward young men who feel a deep desire to be at the service of the Church in this current time of Her great need, but who may not have had the opportunity to discern exactly how they can best do this, whether through a religious vocation, a vocation to marriage, or a dedication to the life of lay consecrated celibacy.

    SPIRITUAL WORK
    In response to the Holy Father’s urgent and repeated calls for a New Evangelization,* and his desire that the tools of modern social communications be employed to their fullest, St. Michael’s Media has dedicated itself to a rigorous defense and promotion of the Holy Catholic Faith using precisely these means. All candidates will be very exposed to this work and undergo training for full incorporation into the daily public work in which we are engaged.

    Discerners will live in close contact with laymen who have dedicated themselves to apostolic celibacy at the service of the apostolate and at the service of Holy Mother Church.

    Application Process:
    Phase I:
    Initial online application/Inquiry (basic info/demographics/questionnaire)
    Objective Statement / Submission of a simple video (Why am I interested? (100 words; 2 minutes)


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    « Reply #101 on: April 24, 2016, 05:39:10 PM »
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  • Those bringing up Voris' past sins simply for self-gain and for the sake of knocking him down are sinning, probably gravely.

    At the same time though, those who would entrust their children or youth to him have a right to know.

    ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is a sin that can be forgiven.  But it is also a mental disorder from which the young must be protected.  It's not safe to trust anyone with any sort of sɛҳuąƖ perversion with children.

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    « Reply #102 on: April 24, 2016, 06:13:28 PM »
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  • A sin forgiven; where is the true Precious Blood.

    This may be off subject: but there is the Beerclub.com in New Order, dioceses.  Yes, lure the young with homemade brew and let's talk.  Who is funding? Who is promoting?  It was in the phx dioceses paper and go on line to see how many other dioceses are promoting the "tea party".  I was shocked!! Stated in dioceses paper: We do not check baptismal records.  That is supposed to be a joke? They were supposed to be referring to proof of age.

    Sick!

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    « Reply #103 on: April 24, 2016, 08:27:35 PM »
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    Banned just now from Lifesite news comments for saying:

    I am a father of seven. Four of them boys.
    Knowing what we know now about MV, would you trust an all-boys apostolate to a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ who actively engaged (that we know of)in that sinful life for 15-years?
    Bluntly: Would you send you sons here knowing what you know now?

    (This is a good way to take the pulse of the mindset of today’s traditional Catholics)
    I quote from CMTV’s site:

    St. Michael’s Media
    “Lord Jesus, use us to save souls, keep us always faithful to Your commandments, and
    never let me be parted from you.”
    Saint Michael’s Media is an effort to bring the new evangelization and the lay apostolate to the new media, and to embody the spiritual works of mercy of instructing the ignorant, admonishing the sinner, and teaching the Catholic faith. Our work is dedicated to saving our own souls by making ourselves available to Our Blessed Lord to be used to help save other souls. It is in this spirit that we want to share our apostolic work with young men (18-25 years of age, with minimum of a high school degree) still discerning how they might best serve Christ and His Church, as they seek to respond to the call of the Holy Spirit in their lives (emphasis on, but not limited to, former seminarians and those currently discerning).

    So, we are embarking on a new endeavor we call PAUSE: a twelve-month program, structured roughly around a traditional academic calendar in which candidates learn deeply about the Catholic Faith by taking a “pause” from their current life circuмstances and come to pray/discern/study/work/live with other like-minded individuals who desire to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit, and how best to serve the Church.

    The program is directed toward young men who feel a deep desire to be at the service of the Church in this current time of Her great need, but who may not have had the opportunity to discern exactly how they can best do this, whether through a religious vocation, a vocation to marriage, or a dedication to the life of lay consecrated celibacy.

    SPIRITUAL WORK
    In response to the Holy Father’s urgent and repeated calls for a New Evangelization,* and his desire that the tools of modern social communications be employed to their fullest, St. Michael’s Media has dedicated itself to a rigorous defense and promotion of the Holy Catholic Faith using precisely these means. All candidates will be very exposed to this work and undergo training for full incorporation into the daily public work in which we are engaged.

    Discerners will live in close contact with laymen who have dedicated themselves to apostolic celibacy at the service of the apostolate and at the service of Holy Mother Church.

    Application Process:
    Phase I:
    Initial online application/Inquiry (basic info/demographics/questionnaire)
    Objective Statement / Submission of a simple video (Why am I interested? (100 words; 2 minutes)


    LOL. Lifesite isn't exclusively Catholic anyway which means you can't rely on them for any issue outside of abortion. They used to have a former fulltime pornographer gone evangelical with a regular column.

    Interesting how they're screening out your concern out as if you were a troll!

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    Those bringing up Voris' past sins simply for self-gain and for the sake of knocking him down are sinning, probably gravely.

     At the same time though, those who would entrust their children or youth to him have a right to know.

    ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is a sin that can be forgiven. But it is also a mental disorder from which the young must be protected. It's not safe to trust anyone with any sort of sɛҳuąƖ perversion with children.


    He needs to be knocked down because he's lying. Again, this is a brilliant stratagem because it forces most Catholics into an almost Protestant "once saved always saved" position. I got news for you guys: forgiveness does not mean we need to grant him license to keep doing what he's doing or forgo the appropriate and necessary response to these revelations. There are consequences that he has refused to accept as part of his past sins, namely that he has no place leading any religious discussions, or leading any kind of lay apostolate which grants him a position of authority. In an ideal situation, the local Bishop would insist he step down and remove himself from all self-appointed positions of influence. But we don't have that luxury.

    No one in their right mind would have accepted his credentials at the outset of his new career he made for himself. We know now he was still a practicing homo and only infrequently going to Mass in 2003 when he started these speaking engagements! Yet when a very natural response to this manipulation is given we are confronted with shaming tactics from Catholics! Suddenly its a mortal sin to object to this guy! He's been caught in a number of lies by this admission of his and we may not assume he is operating on good faith.

    St. Michael's Media needs to be shutdown. Like everything else, it'll take a miracle or a Restoration to make it happen.
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    « Reply #104 on: April 24, 2016, 09:11:56 PM »
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