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« Reply #210 on: May 02, 2016, 06:18:36 PM »
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  • Read Marc Brammer's LinkedIn.

    He's a banker, who specializes in credit risk analysis and seems to advise a lot of people.

    He is currently working on a project to put together computerized medical records, probably for the govt.

    I bet he is seriously loaded.

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    « Reply #211 on: May 02, 2016, 09:58:31 PM »
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    Read Marc Brammer's LinkedIn.

    He's a banker, who specializes in credit risk analysis and seems to advise a lot of people.

    He is currently working on a project to put together computerized medical records, probably for the govt.

    I bet he is seriously loaded.


    What does loaded mean?


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    « Reply #212 on: May 02, 2016, 10:48:32 PM »
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    Read Marc Brammer's LinkedIn.

    He's a banker, who specializes in credit risk analysis and seems to advise a lot of people.

    He is currently working on a project to put together computerized medical records, probably for the govt.

    I bet he is seriously loaded.


    What does loaded mean?


    To have a lot of money.

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    « Reply #213 on: May 03, 2016, 09:56:21 PM »
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  • A group "Sex by 8 or it's to late", made the talk show of Phil Donahue in the 80's. Then another group of elites, intellectuals, as they call themselves pushed the sex with babies.  Very evil indeed!  Kids with AIDS and STDS and that is ok! Yuck!  Like the ISIS people.  Animals and no God in their minds. And the mothers and children suffer.  Like Christ said on his way to calvary, weep for yourselves and for your children....   So, sad.  Can't wait for Christ of come and put it right again!

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    « Reply #214 on: May 03, 2016, 10:51:03 PM »
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  • The really evil thing is that perverted mentality has infiltrated the Church.  

    May God have Mercy on us.  



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    « Reply #215 on: May 06, 2016, 06:58:43 PM »
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  • It's progressing alright..



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    « Reply #216 on: May 06, 2016, 09:44:29 PM »
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  • Is he "morphing" into the Geiko man?

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    « Reply #217 on: May 08, 2016, 06:58:34 PM »
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  • So he finds out he's dying from AIDS and decides to spend the rest of his life destroying Catholicism?

    What does he get out of this?

    A promise not to release Double Trouble?


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    ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past coming back to haunt Voris
    « Reply #218 on: May 08, 2016, 09:15:40 PM »
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    So he finds out he's dying from AIDS and decides to spend the rest of his life destroying Catholicism?

    What does he get out of this?

    A promise not to release Double Trouble?


    How about a promise to die in a non-violent way and in relative luxury. Here's a guy who lives in Detroit, but has enough finances to run his own full time Catholic media company and go on lavish "retreat" cruises?

    Yeah, ok.
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    « Reply #219 on: May 08, 2016, 10:57:22 PM »
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    So he finds out he's dying from AIDS and decides to spend the rest of his life destroying Catholicism?

    What does he get out of this?

    A promise not to release Double Trouble?


    How about a promise to die in a non-violent way and in relative luxury. Here's a guy who lives in Detroit, but has enough finances to run his own full time Catholic media company and go on lavish "retreat" cruises?

    Yeah, ok.


    Ok, you have a point there.

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    « Reply #220 on: May 08, 2016, 11:44:33 PM »
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    Ok, you have a point there.


     :cheers:
    Fortuna finem habet.


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    « Reply #221 on: May 09, 2016, 09:12:02 AM »
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  • This is the first I have heard of this.  I found Michael Voris many years ago while I was Novus Ordo and he did help me then.  My gαydar went off then, but I dismissed it.  I never gave him much thought after that, and I quit watching.

    But I would like to make some observations.

    My past life was very difficult and quit immoral.  I never engaged in ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts, but I was what one used to call a "fag hag."  Most of my friends were ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ males.  I know everything about them.  I know how they think and how they behave.  

    Very, very few ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men who live that lifestyle for 15-20 years ever have much success at leaving it completely behind.  During the mid 80s to the early 90s there was a HUGE movement within the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ community.  The were flamboyant and risky.  This was right before the HIV bomb was dropped.  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men were dropping like flies from AIDS.  So, if Mr. Voris had multiple ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ partners, it wouldn't be a shock that he is living with AIDS.

    I also know that occasionally these men have some sort of personal conversion.  I saw it a few times, mostly after someone got sick or physically abused or something like that.  They would "swear off" their lifestyle, try to become celibate, and become vehemently opposed to the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyle.  However, in the latter case, more often than not they are very open about WHY thy hate that life---i.e. because it made me sick, because ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men are extremely abusive, etc.   But I also know from personal experience that these people have a really, really, hard time remaining celibate or leaving that life behind.  They become wrapped really, really tightly.

    Since Mr. Voris has just now admitted his transgressions I have a lot of questions about it.  I wonder if he is coming "out" in some way to circuмvent what might be revealed in the coming months.  If he  had "come" out right when he started his work, then I think I would more likely to believe his sincerity.  It would give a "reason" for his exposes on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in the priest hood because he could say he experienced it first hand.  

    Since I have become a traditional Catholic I have also noticed something that causes great concern for me.  A great number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are drawn to the traditional movement.  They are exposed in Novus Ordo, then claim a conversion, become traditional priests, and then go on to abuse or attempt to abuse young boys.  I think trad circles are a good place for them to hide and families are more trusting with their boys.

    I don't know what Mr. Voris' motives are.  But I do wonder.  The timing seems rather odd to me.  

    Statistically, and my husband has just written about this professionally, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men do not remain celibate after a reversion.  They do have relapses, but most often they are one night-stands or weekend escapades.  They do feel remorse afterwards, though, and don't consider themselves to have fallen back into the lifestyle.

    At any rate, I view these Novus Ordo "celebrity" priests and apologists with great suspicion.  They almost always fall into great shame.  

    In my opinion, this drama with Mr. Voris  has brought a HUGE scandal up his work and conservative Novus Ordites.  Oh, sure, they will embrace him.  He will become a prime example of the reversion of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.  He will probably make more money and get more visitors to his website than ever before.


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    « Reply #222 on: May 09, 2016, 11:26:01 AM »
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    This is the first I have heard of this.  I found Michael Voris many years ago while I was Novus Ordo and he did help me then.  My gαydar went off then, but I dismissed it.  I never gave him much thought after that, and I quit watching.

    But I would like to make some observations.

    My past life was very difficult and quit immoral.  I never engaged in ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts, but I was what one used to call a "fag hag."  Most of my friends were ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ males.  I know everything about them.  I know how they think and how they behave.  

    Very, very few ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men who live that lifestyle for 15-20 years ever have much success at leaving it completely behind.  During the mid 80s to the early 90s there was a HUGE movement within the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ community.  The were flamboyant and risky.  This was right before the HIV bomb was dropped.  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men were dropping like flies from AIDS.  So, if Mr. Voris had multiple ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ partners, it wouldn't be a shock that he is living with AIDS.

    I also know that occasionally these men have some sort of personal conversion.  I saw it a few times, mostly after someone got sick or physically abused or something like that.  They would "swear off" their lifestyle, try to become celibate, and become vehemently opposed to the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyle.  However, in the latter case, more often than not they are very open about WHY thy hate that life---i.e. because it made me sick, because ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men are extremely abusive, etc.   But I also know from personal experience that these people have a really, really, hard time remaining celibate or leaving that life behind.  They become wrapped really, really tightly.

    Since Mr. Voris has just now admitted his transgressions I have a lot of questions about it.  I wonder if he is coming "out" in some way to circuмvent what might be revealed in the coming months.  If he  had "come" out right when he started his work, then I think I would more likely to believe his sincerity.  It would give a "reason" for his exposes on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in the priest hood because he could say he experienced it first hand.  

    Since I have become a traditional Catholic I have also noticed something that causes great concern for me.  A great number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are drawn to the traditional movement.  They are exposed in Novus Ordo, then claim a conversion, become traditional priests, and then go on to abuse or attempt to abuse young boys.  I think trad circles are a good place for them to hide and families are more trusting with their boys.

    I don't know what Mr. Voris' motives are.  But I do wonder.  The timing seems rather odd to me.  

    Statistically, and my husband has just written about this professionally, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men do not remain celibate after a reversion.  They do have relapses, but most often they are one night-stands or weekend escapades.  They do feel remorse afterwards, though, and don't consider themselves to have fallen back into the lifestyle.

    At any rate, I view these Novus Ordo "celebrity" priests and apologists with great suspicion.  They almost always fall into great shame.  

    In my opinion, this drama with Mr. Voris  has brought a HUGE scandal up his work and conservative Novus Ordites.  Oh, sure, they will embrace him.  He will become a prime example of the reversion of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.  He will probably make more money and get more visitors to his website than ever before.


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    That is an excellent post, CathMom.  You are perceptive.

    May I ask you why you think it is very hard for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs to completely leave that lifestyle behind?

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    « Reply #223 on: May 09, 2016, 12:05:52 PM »
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  • Because it is a pathological disorder.

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    « Reply #224 on: May 09, 2016, 12:17:41 PM »
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    A great number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are drawn to the traditional movement.  They are exposed in Novus Ordo, then claim a conversion, become traditional priests, and then go on to abuse or attempt to abuse young boys.  I think trad circles are a good place for them to hide and families are more trusting with their boys.


    I have been hearing this for years.  And I have to say that the "traditional movement" must be incredibly good at hiding this "great number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests".  Where are they all?  I can count on one hand the number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ scandals I've heard about in the SSPX and in all the other independent traditional chapels.  

    Of course, I don't think for a moment that I have heard about every single ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ scandal--but even if I've only heard of a minority of the scandals and given that credible estimates indicate that more than half of all Conciliar clergy are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, it certainly does not seem that "great numbers" of these ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests are being drawn to the "traditional movement".

    I must disagree with Alexandria.  I don't think this is an "excellent post".  I think the author calumniated an entire class of priests.  Either than, or we two have a completely different understanding of the meaning of the "traditional movement."