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Home birth, does she have a choice?
« on: November 06, 2017, 11:46:25 PM »
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  • I have a Traditional Catholic friend who’s husband-to-be, in regards to children, insists on home birth ONLY. 
    I personally have never been ok with this option for myself, having birthed all of my children at a hospital with medical assistance..and having had many complications, the last one being life threatening as I needed emergency surgery to save me from bleeding out after giving birth to my son. 
    Even though I do know women who have had successful home births, it is not always the case.
    I may not even be here if that last doctor hadn’t saved my life. It was a miracle and am so grateful to him and truly happy to be alive. Praise God I am here and the doctor helped!
    I do worry for this young lady because she has no say as her fiancé is FIRM on this matter. He believes that doctors are evil..thinking that they all perform abortions. But I don’t believe ALL OB’s do this, right? I’ve never heard that performing abortions was a requirement for a Health Practictioner. 
    And what if she were to find one who doesn’t anyway..I know of an OB who refuses to prescribe artificial birth control and instead recommends NFP, so good Obstetricians do still exist, right?

    Shouldn't the wife have a say in this? I mean childbirth can be scary for some women. This girl I know is timid, shy, and not what you would consider as ‘steel willed’. She told me once that she is afraid of having children and what should she expect when it’s time for childbirth. 
    I really do worry for her. I am grateful that my husband was so supportive with the birth of each one of our children and hope the same for her. But I also don’t want to get involved in, and in the middle of marriage prep either. 

    I apologize if my writing is all over the place, I have addressed many concerns here..does anyone have any advice for me that I can give her? Honest and helpful is all that I want to be. 


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    Re: Home birth, does she have a choice?
    « Reply #1 on: November 07, 2017, 02:54:01 AM »
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  • I would suggest that she reconsider her choice of a husband. No time to write more, right now.
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    Re: Home birth, does she have a choice?
    « Reply #2 on: November 07, 2017, 02:54:54 AM »
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  • I doubt he will be amenable, because he's clearly unhinged, but birth centers are pretty great.  And failing that, there are many places where a midwife can be found who will assist at a home birth.

    Otherwise, she needs to find a new fiance.

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    Re: Home birth, does she have a choice?
    « Reply #3 on: November 07, 2017, 02:55:58 AM »
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    Re: Home birth, does she have a choice?
    « Reply #4 on: November 07, 2017, 06:03:15 AM »
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  • Personally I prefer home birth. Ít has many advantages. In my experience, it was very difficult to find a doctor who did not perform abortions. 

    I had my first 5 children attended by a doctor and the last two with a midwife. I thought the midwife care was way better. A midwife is trained to assist at a home birth and to recognize when that is not a safe option. I doubt that husband would insist on homebirth if his wife were specially identified as at risk. It sounds like he believes that home birth is better in general and that is a reasonable position. 

    You should probably not say anything to your friend to interfere in her relationship with her fiancé. You did not mention that she actually asked for advice. If she did not ask you, just stay out of it.  


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    Re: Home birth, does she have a choice?
    « Reply #5 on: November 07, 2017, 06:08:09 AM »
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  • I doubt he will be amenable, because he's clearly unhinged, but birth centers are pretty great.  And failing that, there are many places where a midwife can be found who will assist at a home birth.

    Otherwise, she needs to find a new fiance.
    It is not at all clear to me that he is unhinged.  He seems to have legitimate concerns. I do not think we have anywhere near enough information to conclude that the woman is better off without him. 

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    Re: Home birth, does she have a choice?
    « Reply #6 on: November 07, 2017, 08:33:55 AM »
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  •  I mean childbirth can be scary for some women. This girl I know is timid, shy, and not what you would consider as ‘steel willed’. She told me once that she is afraid of having children and what should she expect when it’s time for childbirth.
    The midwife/homebirth scenario is often better for women like this.  A midwife tends to spend more time and be more warm and reassuring than a doctor.  A midwife approaches birth as a natural process.  A doctor tends to focus on what can go wrong and on medical intervention.  Also, many women are more comfortable in their own homes in familiar surroundings, rather than at a hospital surrounded by strangers and mysterious medical equipment.  A shy woman is especially likely to appreciate this aspect of home birth.

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    Re: Home birth, does she have a choice?
    « Reply #7 on: November 07, 2017, 10:13:06 AM »
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  • How about a compromise?  Have a midwife deliver the baby at a hospital.  That way you're there in case something goes wrong and medical intervention is needed.  At least in my part of the country, lots of midwives have relationships with hospitals where they help deliver the baby AT the hospital.

    I personally think that having a home birth is sinfully imprudent.  You're potentially putting at risk both the life of the child and the life of the mother.  Yes, there might be sentimental reasons for wanting home birth, but these are clearly outweighed by the risks and dangers.  If I insisted on a home birth and my wife and/or child died in the process where they could have been saved at a hospital, I could never live with myself.  Consequently, with that prospect, I would consider it a grave sin to do a home birth.  Yeah, yeah, Traditionalists tend to look at anything old and archaic and more "natural" as inherently better ... but that's emotion speaking and not reason.


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    Re: Home birth, does she have a choice?
    « Reply #8 on: November 07, 2017, 10:17:09 AM »
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  • This falls into the category of "none of your business."
    You offer no expertise in the matter, since you have had only hospital births, so you should keep your mouth shut.

    Ah, so the misogynist Anonymous blowhard returns.  Why is it that I can always tell who you are even though you're posting anonymously?  You clearly got irritated when the poster asked whether or not the wife should have a say in this.  Absolutely the wife SHOULD have a "say" in this.  If, however, my wife would have wanted a home birth, I would have overruled her and insisted that it be at a hospital ... perhaps with a midwife there to help instead of a doctor.

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    Re: Home birth, does she have a choice?
    « Reply #9 on: November 07, 2017, 10:23:51 AM »
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  • In my experience, it was very difficult to find a doctor who did not perform abortions.

    I've found many who have not.  Nevertheless, it's scrupulosity to say that you can't be assisted by a doctor who's performed an abortion.  You are in no way a formal, nor even a material, participant in those abortions.  If they're ONGOING, then you might be a remote material participant in the sense that you're helping him make money in general through the medical practice.  But even that would not be forbidden by moral law.  So let's not get scrupulous about having to avoid such a doctor.  Too much emotinalism on this thread.  Emotionalism about doctors who have performed abortions (certainly repugnant, but not morally wrong to be attended by one) and emotionalism about home births (ignoring the grave imprudence of having one in the interests of feel-goodism).

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    Re: Home birth, does she have a choice?
    « Reply #10 on: November 07, 2017, 10:28:33 AM »
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  • Potential husband sounds like he's extremely stubborn and yet too sure of himself (even though he's wrong) ... probably not a wise choice for a husband.  Before you run off and impose your view intransigently on your wife, you may want to investigate the question and try to be reasonable, instead of emotional, about it.  Sounds like this guy is just full of emotion.  Not a good choice for a husband.  Women have enough emotion of their own.  So, for instance, his stupid "all doctors are evil" nonsense ... one, being wrong, and two, being irrelevant to the morality of the act, etc.


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    Re: Home birth, does she have a choice?
    « Reply #11 on: November 07, 2017, 11:01:36 AM »
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  • To the OP: Yes, of course she has a choice, but there is not a lot that you can do about it though.  You would be putting a wedge between the fiancée and bride to be.  You can offer to be supportive, and be an ear if she needs one. You can offer advice, but ultimately you are not in control of their family.  If they are both young, then he is probably listening to the influence of his parents, and she is marrying into that family.

    I really do appreciate your concerns.  I prefer to eat healthy, live healthy and use natural remedies.  That being said, if I get hit by a bus, don't give me eucalyptus oil, take me to a hospital. Kid has strep, give an antibiotic.  I disapprove of the notion that you aren't Trad enough if you don't reject modern medicine. Not all doctors are evil, not all modern medicine is bad.  Hospitals have their place. There have been many comments I have heard in the past by Trad parishioners medical related issues that it makes me feel bad for their children.  I remember one mother that had a young daughter with untreated epilepsy because they didn't want to give their daughter drugs. "Drugs are designed to kill people." I remember a parishioner tell that same mother that the next time +Williamson was coming to request an exorcism.  +Williamson had apparently cured it once before through an exorcism at a baptism.  Or there was a family that had two cases of mumps.  They brought their child with mumps to Mass (on two different occasions) because they didn't believe in vaccinations.  In fairness I'm sure they didn't know it was mumps before they came to Mass with a sick child, but the principle remains.

    All that being said, there are a lot of great things that midwives are able to do, and I will always speak highly of them.  You friend will be ok, and if not the midwife will make a recommendation.  Midwife services are far cheaper than a hospital.  The lovely lady we used identified a health concern with our third and wife had a emergency C-section.  Everyone is fine, healthy and happy now.  Either way praying for a healthy child.

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    Re: Home birth, does she have a choice?
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    Re: Home birth, does she have a choice?
    « Reply #13 on: November 07, 2017, 11:21:13 AM »
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  • With one of my pregnancies, I found out that my doctor performed abortions when I had already been seeing her for a few months.  I immediately stopped seeing her and found another doctor.  I did not see it as a moral issue so much as I could not bear to have her touch me.

    It is all very well to say not to base decisions on emotion, but pregnant women are emotional.  My husband always indulged me as much as he could when I was pregnant so he was not going to make me see a doctor that I found that upsetting.


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    Re: Home birth, does she have a choice?
    « Reply #14 on: November 07, 2017, 11:50:24 AM »
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  • I can tell you, having birthed babies, that anxiety level definitely is a factor in how successful or painful/problematic labor is. He is not doing her any favors by making her do something she is uncomfortable with. If she is wracked with nerves about a homebirth, I pity the poor girl during labor. If indeed she has expressed a desire to not birth at home, then you'd think the fiancé would take this into consideration. From what the OP says, his concerns are not realistic and seem very emotional and paranoid.

    Having said that, I would probably not give her my opinion on it, especially if she didn't ask. I would instead try to help her through her anxieties and fears, trying to ensure she has the most pleasant experience possible. Sometimes you have to make large sacrifices to keep peace at home. The exception would be if she told me she was high risk with high BP/preeclampsia or severe gestational diabetes. Those conditions can kill you and the baby so quickly. If that were the case, if she asked my opinion, I would tell her I think she should birth at the hospital- let the cards fall where they may.

    Women's bodies were made to birth babies. I actually think home is a much safer environment for birthing babies than the hospital, but not everyone agrees, and there are some cases in which the hospital is necessary. During my first delivery, if I would have been home I would have died and likely my baby also. My condition was definitely not the norm, though. My point being that it's good to have ideals, but don't be so stubborn in them that you risk the life of your baby and yourself.

    My husband wanted a hospital birth, I wanted a homebirth, and we settled on a natural pregnancy center that was lovely (even though I ended up in the hospital). 

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