Author Topic: Henry VIII as an argument against Monarchy (Read 1204 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** March 09, 2015, 12:45:35 PM »

I think one of the stronger arguments against monarchy is the one that argues that by placing such power over an entire nation in one person, the welfare of that nation - particularly its spiritual welfare - is subject to ruin at the capricious whim of an evil king or queen. Henry VIII is the most obvious example - an entire nation, one of the most prominent in Christendom, doomed to heresy and apostasy that persists to this day, all because of the caprice of one wicked king.

I would be edified to hear some refutations of this argument by the forum's Monarchists. I thank you in advance for your responses.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** March 09, 2015, 12:47:56 PM »

One man's actions within a certain system cannot discredit the system itself. It discredits the individual more.

Please provide a better argument to your opinion than that of a logical fallacy.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** March 09, 2015, 01:27:44 PM »

Yes, check your premise, it's incorrect. Right now it is a logical fallacy.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** March 09, 2015, 01:50:05 PM »

No, au contraire, it is you who holds the erroneous opinion that...

a) In a monarchal system there exists the potential of an evil monarch to reign within the system.
b) Next, what follows is that this monarch has the potential to bring down the entire system based upon his evil.
c) Therefore, because of this possibility, it is best to avoid monarchy because of the potential this one individual has in destroying the system.

I answer that...

a) In every system of government, there exists the potential for a superior to act in a way contrary to their given position.

So, OP, do you discredit government in general?

Do you discredit the family because of the potential of the father of being a greedy, drunken gambler?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** March 09, 2015, 01:53:06 PM »

Keep in mind, also in your given case against Henry VIII, that there was a general consensus among the people to accept the ideas that Henry VIII put forward. Hardly a voice existed against the schism he introduced.

It was not just Henry VIII who brought down the English nation.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** March 09, 2015, 02:06:20 PM »

OP here.

I never claimed to be anti-monarchist and in fact I lean in favor of it (though perhaps weakly so). I was looking for some refutations against the argument outlined in the OP (which, again is not my own).

I'm sorry to have inadvertently put some of you (apparently) beleagured strong-monarchists on the defensive, but I thank you for your responses just the same (not so much the hair-trigger-fingered down-thumb, though).

Lighthouse · « **Reply #6 on:** March 09, 2015, 08:36:14 PM »

Not exactly a total monarchist here, but do you really think any form of government is exempt from corruption?

Cantarella · « **Reply #7 on:** March 10, 2015, 12:13:55 AM »

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/b0cRp_LxgYE[/youtube]

"Short video response to the Catholic bashers of monarchy. Know your faith and the history of your own Church. The Catholic Church has always supported monarchy, endorsed monarchy and been on the side of the monarchists. From Europe to the Americas the Church has always opposed revolutionary republicans and numerous popes and saints have openly endorsed monarchism. Catholics who think the Church opposes monarchy need to get past the post-60's hippie movement and read into the history and traditions of the Church for centuries back."

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** March 10, 2015, 08:29:45 AM »

Thank you all for your responses. I am satisifed that the objection has been refuted.

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