Author Topic: Have you ever argued w/ a priest? who won? (Read 2219 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** June 28, 2017, 04:33:29 PM »

I am just wondering. I have disagreed w/ priests here and there but no big blow ups. When Obama won, a priest said it was good we had a president! HUH? I argued w/ that... and he got irate...

anyhow, just wondering about the experiences of others..

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** June 28, 2017, 05:31:45 PM »

I won because I took away his alarm clock (with his mother's approval).

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** June 28, 2017, 05:47:56 PM »

Only time that I need to say that I "won" was before I was married. My fiancée converted to Catholicism after taking classes from the SSPX priest. We then were allowed to take marriage classes. That done, he gave us his blessing. We proceeded to make reservations and plans. The following Sunday we approached him after Mass and asked is he had a certain date in July available. He said that is not how it works, that he was supposed to pick the date for us and we needed to be flexible. I explained that we were flexible, but June was our target. He looked exasperated and replied that he hasn't decided on a date and it was not up to us to ask when. He would inform us what day and time of the day he thought we should be married.

The line in the sand was drawn. My wife had reported to me that in her Catechism classes he was often rude and insulting. I explained this as him being foreign and culture clash. There were a few incidents during our marriage classes where he was offhandly flippant...now looking back it was disrespectful...So I told him that I was trying to have a tradition Catholic wedding in our parish...(which is hours away). I have gone through all the steps necessary, and that I would find a new priest and a new church if needed. I said that I don't know why he is choosing to act this way, but this is not the way I would expect a SSPX priest to act about marriage.(friends in other parishes said they had none of these issues) He agreed to our original wedding date and proposed time.

15 years and many children later, we are very happily married. The priest was rotated out a year later and haven't seen him since.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** June 29, 2017, 07:13:54 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on June 29, 2017, 02:44:01 AM

I think that the whole gist of this "arguing with a priest" is inappropriate for a Catholic.

I disagree. The culture of putting priests on a pedestal and never pushing them and arguing with them is dangerous. Priests are flawed men like the rest of us.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** June 29, 2017, 08:00:03 AM »

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My wife had reported to me that in her Catechism classes he was often rude and insulting. I explained this as him being foreign and culture clash. There were a few incidents during our marriage classes where he was offhandly flippant...now looking back it was disrespectful...So I told him that I was trying to have a tradition Catholic wedding in our parish...(which is hours away). I have gone through all the steps necessary, and that I would find a new priest and a new church if needed. I said that I don't know why he is choosing to act this way, but this is not the way I would expect a SSPX priest to act about marriage.(friends in other parishes said they had none of these issues) He agreed to our original wedding date and proposed time.

15 years and many children later, we are very happily married. The priest was rotated out a year later and haven't seen him since.

Perhaps arguing with the priest isn't the solution, but laying down and getting abused (as you describe) isn't the answer either. So what is the real problem, and the answer to that problem?

The SSPX superiors should be dealing with complaints properly. They should be disciplining their priests, and not just rotating them to another parish.

But the problem is that the SSPX is A) ambitious and B) greedy. If they sent a priest to a monastery, or even removed him from public ministry, that's one chapel that wouldn't be taking up collections for months or years! The SSPX, which wants MONEY/POWER as a PRIMARY GOAL, would never stand for that.

They are going downhill in this area too. In other words, they're committing worse and worse sins for the sake of "continuity" and keeping the money rolling in.

As the neo-SSPX sees it, each priest is a "product" who represents a revenue stream. They're not going to pull any products, as that would adversely affect their bottom line.

That, in my opinion, is the real problem. The SSPX should be willing to put souls first, even if it meant losing thousands of dollars of "revenue".

How is the SSPX any different from Monsanto or some evil corporation, which is willing to hurt people for the sake of the bottom line? (Selling unhealthy products, paying off individuals to give fake "OK for human consumption" reviews, etc.)

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** June 29, 2017, 12:59:00 PM »

See St. Thomas Aquinas's Summa Theologica II-II q. 33 a. 4 question "Whether a man is bound to correct his prelate?"

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** June 29, 2017, 02:04:15 PM »

Marriage Argument Poster Here <-----

Quote from: Anonymous on June 29, 2017, 02:44:01 AM

I think that the whole gist of this "arguing with a priest" is inappropriate for a Catholic.

See I can not get behind this type of thinking. These priest are people from various walks of life and are not always correct. I'll give you some examples.

I gave 3 priests a ride to the airport once after an event, and they spent the whole ride making fun of the parish coordinators, or the cliché parishioner....the newly converted from the N.O. with 100 questions, The nosey ladies of the parish, the one will always write a check for the parish, the list goes on etc. I didn't feel this was right, but they were a few of my favorite priests in the SSPX. File a complaint? Explain to Bishop Williamson that his priest were being rude? I should have been man enough to speak up, but I didn't.

There have been priests that have said that the SSPX/Vatican talks are not any of the parishioner's business. They have said that a parishioner should not question his priest. If we didn't question the priest, we would still be in the novus ordo.

There have been pedophile priest in the SSPX. Look up the events in Post Falls, Idaho. The prior's resignation letter stated that his purity had been compromised with the students. He was sent to Phoenix, AZ then to a huge parish in France. There was a lay person who was assigned to help organize the summer camps. He was kicked out of seminary for trying to circuмcise himself in between classes....you don't think the priests and bishop, knew about this? Yet, when it came to the abuse the police were never called.

If a longer list of reasons to question/argue/challenge the priest was needed.

Quote from: Anonymous on June 29, 2017, 12:59:00 PM

See St. Thomas Aquinas's Summa Theologica II-II q. 33 a. 4 question "Whether a man is bound to correct his prelate?"

No offence to the poster, I have not read inside the link. In this day and age, I am not going to rely on the St. Thomas Aquinas if it is ok to question the priest or not. The parents of the children that have been abused worldwide by the priest of the SSPX wished they questioned their priest. The SSPX willing to rotate and hide these men obliterates the honor of their order of priest and tarnishes the Catholic Church even further. We don't live in a time where you can find hope and truth in the Vatican or at home. Look at fathers Hewko and Pfieffer in Kentucky...how many people followed Fr. Hewko....Fr. Hewko "martyred" himself in Wynonna, and every sermon is the exact same...."quote from our lady, modernism, religious liberty, quote from the Archbishop, quote from our lady, modernism, rinse and repeat for an hour...he has brainwashed himself and recently called the SSPX bishops "masonic"....He is someone that I used to respect but now no. We need to be vigilant and mindful. If that means arguing and asking questions, then so be it.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** June 29, 2017, 02:42:12 PM »

Argue is not the right word, I would use: disagree, debate, question, advise.......

If a priest can't handle a little disagreement with a parishioner, how is he going to handle an argument from an anti-Catholic?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** June 29, 2017, 02:50:11 PM »

My SSPX parish is composed of, for the most part, parishioners that know nothing about the faith. They just go ask father and he answers their questions, never mind that the few answers I've heard in front of me were totally wrong. It is the 1950's all over again, where everyone knew nothing and relied on "asking father". Meanwhile father is a one eyed man in a country of blind men. In other words, he is just knows a tad more than all the idiots around him.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** June 29, 2017, 03:17:36 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on June 29, 2017, 02:50:11 PM

My SSPX parish is composed of, for the most part, parishioners that know nothing about the faith. They just go ask father and he answers their questions, never mind that the few answers I've heard in front of me were totally wrong. It is the 1950's all over again, where everyone knew nothing and relied on "asking father". Meanwhile father is a one eyed man in a country of blind men. In other words, he is just knows a tad more than all the idiots around him.

I like the way you put this.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #10 on:** June 30, 2017, 03:25:12 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on June 28, 2017, 05:47:56 PM

Only time that I need to say that I "won" was before I was married. My fiancée converted to Catholicism after taking classes from the SSPX priest. We then were allowed to take marriage classes. That done, he gave us his blessing. We proceeded to make reservations and plans. The following Sunday we approached him after Mass and asked is he had a certain date in July available. He said that is not how it works, that he was supposed to pick the date for us and we needed to be flexible. I explained that we were flexible, but June was our target. He looked exasperated and replied that he hasn't decided on a date and it was not up to us to ask when. He would inform us what day and time of the day he thought we should be married.

The line in the sand was drawn. My wife had reported to me that in her Catechism classes he was often rude and insulting. I explained this as him being foreign and culture clash. There were a few incidents during our marriage classes where he was offhandly flippant...now looking back it was disrespectful...So I told him that I was trying to have a tradition Catholic wedding in our parish...(which is hours away). I have gone through all the steps necessary, and that I would find a new priest and a new church if needed. I said that I don't know why he is choosing to act this way, but this is not the way I would expect a SSPX priest to act about marriage.(friends in other parishes said they had none of these issues) He agreed to our original wedding date and proposed time.

15 years and many children later, we are very happily married. The priest was rotated out a year later and haven't seen him since.

rude priests are just... I mean you'd think that would be a contradiction in terms totally... sign of the times, i guess... things are getting worse and worse and worse... Thank God some of the religious persecution has been abated due to Trump being elected as opposed to Ms RsAreDeplorable&ShouldSupportBabyKilling Clinton

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #11 on:** July 01, 2017, 04:43:43 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on June 29, 2017, 07:13:54 AM

I disagree. The culture of putting priests on a pedestal and never pushing them and arguing with them is dangerous. Priests are flawed men like the rest of us.

AMEN

I sometimes think t hey are generally speaking MORE flawed than non-priests. I mean if you think about it... they have said a HUGE "NO" to heterosɛҳuąƖ relations for LIFE. OK, i know that sounds odd, especially when u consider that I myself have been celibate for yrs and yrs now... but.. I am not saying it is abnormal to be celibate and renounce marriage, but it stands to reasn that many men will enter the priesthood just b/c they are failures w/ the opposite sex.. and then you have to wonder why are they failures w/ them? I mean, you know, people have as many reasons for entering the priesthood as there are men who decide to do that... so you just never know.. Yes, I know I am jaded somewhat but I have a valid point... you just never know what someone's motives are for just whatever... and frankly, I think a man can be in the priesthood too long. I have seen it happen they are there for a long time and then they just start getting weird.. like they are not into it anymore... and doing anything at all over and over for 20-30 yrs is going to take its toll... regardless of what it is... Some stay in the p-hood just to avoid "real life"... and why wouldn't they? They are spoiled by the Church.. get all their needs and many of their wants met by the Church... I don't know... don't mean to sound like all are rotten b/c they're not... but anyway

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #12 on:** July 01, 2017, 04:45:52 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on June 30, 2017, 12:25:14 AM

It is true that priests are flawed like the rest of us but the idea of a thread dedicated to "argued with a priest" is disrespectful.

oh brother.
you act like they are virtually God

poche · « **Reply #13 on:** July 02, 2017, 01:10:31 AM »

Here is an incident from a soul in Purgatory;
In August 1804, Mr. McSherry nearly died of a severe illness. Having had some unpleasant difference with Father Cahill, he had not been to confession and communion for some time. But now the Voice told Mr. Livingston to go to Mr. McSherry and "his dear helpmate," as it always called his wife (according to Father Gallitzin), and to tell them that Mr. McSherry "should humble himself and go to confession, and touch Christ through the Church and he would be cured." The apparently dying man immediately sent for Father Cahill and that same night, which his family thought would be his last, he made his confession, received Holy Communion, made his thanksgiving and then fell into a peaceful sleep. The next morning he was up before anyone else and when his family saw him walking around the house, some of them at first thought he was a ghost. Actually, though still pale and emaciated, he was completely cured. And he lived until September 7, 1822

http://www.olrl.org/stories/wizclip.shtml

I think you should be circuмspect about provoking arguments and disagreements with the priests of your community.

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