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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on November 11, 2018, 12:12:01 PM
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Have women become too independent to have and enjoy a harmonious married life?
What do we mean by "independent" anyway?
What can women do to change this?
Is there anything men can do about it?
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a. Yes
b. Too independent means women don't seriously consider marriage in their 20s and then don't realize their options are limited until their mid-30s, when their appeal is mostly likely diminished.
c. Pray for humility.
d. No, Other than pray that God will convert women from feminism, even if they don't realize they are feminists.
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Have women become too independent to have and enjoy a harmonious married life?
What do we mean by "independent" anyway?
What can women do to change this?
Is there anything men can do about it?
Both men and women have been affected by modernism, and it has been so since The Fall..so what else can we do but pray for and support each other in this fight against the devil, the flesh and the world?
Being a woman myself, it’s been unfortunate to see Traditional Catholic men treat their wife’s like slaves, who have no say in anything, and all in the name of combating the ‘feminist mentality’ in them, and in society. (Before someone freaks out on me, I am not saying they are all like this, it is just a tendency that some overcompensate to try and correct this problem)
So of course there is a balance to this, and I believe that reading the lives of the Saints and The Holy Family is a good place to start for getting healthier ideas on living a truly Catholic married life.
St Bridget of Sweden is one of my favorites by the way :)
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Being a woman myself, it’s been unfortunate to see Traditional Catholic men treat their wife’s like slaves, who have no say in anything, and all in the name of combating the ‘feminist mentality’ in them, and in society. (Before someone freaks out on me, I am not saying they are all like this, it is just a tendency that some overcompensate to try and correct this problem)
I've heard this fear or complaint a thousand times on Trad fora (including some very liberal ones).
How about we err on the side of women being too submissive, which wouldn't really cause any harm except to a single woman's pride, instead of erring on the side of too much "say", control or independence, which is actually against nature itself?
If a woman is a doormat, at least her kids will get the idea that women are to be submissive. But if she is a feminist, it will ruin her kids. The marriage itself might not even survive, and the kids will certainly be much worse off.
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Women aren’t born feminist. I actually believe that over bearing men/husbands create them. No one wants to be a “doormat”.
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Women aren’t born feminist. I actually believe that over bearing men/husbands create them. No one wants to be a “doormat”.
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Women aren’t born feminist. I actually believe that over bearing men/husbands create them.
False. Listening and allowing yourself to be influenced by the jooish media and anti-catholic, anti-family, anti-God "psychological studies" creates feminists.
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Women aren’t born feminist. I actually believe that over bearing men/husbands create them.
Young women nowadays (even teenagers) have feminist ideals and they haven't even been married, so your thesis is wrong. Women nowadays don't become feminist AFTER marriage, they are ones LONG BEFORE marriage.
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Young women nowadays (even teenagers) have feminist ideals and they haven't even been married, so your thesis is wrong. Women nowadays don't become feminist AFTER marriage, they are ones LONG BEFORE marriage.
Did you even bother to think about the quote you're responding to with "so your thesis is wrong"???
The quote said "over bearing men/husbands"
Men could mean brothers fathers, uncles, neighbors, co-workers, priests, teachers, etc etc.
This is the rash stupidity that women won't submit to.
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This is the rash stupidity that women won't submit to.
Can you give some examples? It's in a woman's nature to submit, even if the conditions are harsh. So if they do not submit, they are no longer acting like women, a fact which you are somehow upholding as a virtue. Goes to show you are a closet feminist.
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Begin by the fact that practically no one is a real Catholic in this world and everything else falls into place. There are no men or women who live a Catholic life. So, the question should be what is a Catholic life and what parents are teaching their children what a real how Catholic husband and wife should behave with each other? In my SSPX chapel of like 75 families, there are only like 4 families that are raising their children with the proper tools to be real Catholic husbands and wives. This is a Catholic forum, focus on those people and not the world. As a man, what do you bring to the marriage? As a woman, what do you bring to the marriage?
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A woman will submit if her husband is kind and loving. He doesn’t have double standards in behavior, or use his wife as only a copulation outlet, maid, and nanny. If a woman grows up watching men take advantage of her true nature, or her mothers, she will naturally think feminist thinking is the way to go. We are of course speaking of situations were she is taught verbally feminism is wrong. If actions don’t match the words it won’t stick. Husbands must be kind, gentle, helpful, emotional support, and lovers to their wives as well. It’s not just a one way street. Fathers should lead the example so their children don’t have to worry about feminist thinking...daughters, or sons.
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Females inherited the fallen nature of Eve's disobedience and delusion (to become something that's not in her true capability). She disobeyed God's instructions not to eat of the Garden, and she thought she could have God's knowledge by eating of it. Eve was the first feminist. Females would rather marry the State and / or their careers because the State defends their disobedience to God and men by reprimanding any man who would try to oppose her, even when the opposition is righteous. The State assists women's rebellion against God and man. Women's careers are an affront to God's natural law, thus, their egotism and narcissism make them think of themselves higher and stronger than their true selves. They only thrive, materially, in an artificial world that's deliberately propped up to eclipse reality where families, societies and nations are led by strong men. Only strong men can defend Christ's Social Reign. This is why Catholic monarchies were targeted for eradication by Jew revolutionaries. This is why seminaries were targeted by perverts against nature. This is why Jews pioneered feminism and gave women the "right" to vote, because a cascade of liberalism and humanism was sure to follow. Women voted subversives into office. Women in power and a morally bereft nation are easier to manipulate. The goal of the Jew is to completely remove Jesus Christ from civilization. Women lack the intelligence to understand that they're pawns in this agenda.
A woman's love of a man is best demonstrated by her obedience to him. If a woman lacks obedience to a man, she doesn't truly love him. She only loves what he can provide for her.
Males inherited the fallen nature of Adam in naively putting too much trust into females and leaving them to their own faculties, instead of leading them, which inevitably results in the woman being corrupted and easily manipulated by evil. This happened when Adam left Eve alone, subsequently, Satan succeeded in sowing disobedience in her. Adam got suckered into trusting Eve's claim that it was fine to eat of the Garden. The number of times that men got suckered by women to do the wrong things must equal the number of stars in the cosmos.
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Begin by the fact that practically no one is a real Catholic in this world and everything else falls into place. There are no men or women who live a Catholic life. So, the question should be what is a Catholic life and what parents are teaching their children what a real how Catholic husband and wife should behave with each other? In my SSPX chapel of like 75 families, there are only like 4 families that are raising their children with the proper tools to be real Catholic husbands and wives. This is a Catholic forum, focus on those people and not the world. As a man, what do you bring to the marriage? As a woman, what do you bring to the marriage?
So you've been spying on the people at your chapel and you know what goes on in their homes? And you believe that there are no Catholics left... except for you, right?
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Females inherited the fallen nature of Eve's disobedience and delusion (to become something that's not in her true capability). She disobeyed God's instructions not to eat of the Garden, and she thought she could have God's knowledge by eating of it. Eve was the first feminist. Females would rather marry the State and / or their careers because the State defends their disobedience to God and men by reprimanding any man who would try to oppose her, even when the opposition is righteous. The State assists women's rebellion against God and man. Women's careers are an affront to God's natural law, thus, their egotism and narcissism make them think of themselves higher and stronger than their true selves. They only thrive, materially, in an artificial world that's deliberately propped up to eclipse reality where families, societies and nations are led by strong men. Only strong men can defend Christ's Social Reign. This is why Catholic monarchies were targeted for eradication by Jew revolutionaries. This is why seminaries were targeted by perverts against nature. This is why Jews pioneered feminism and gave women the "right" to vote, because a cascade of liberalism and humanism was sure to follow. Women voted subversives into office. Women in power and a morally bereft nation are easier to manipulate. The goal of the Jew is to completely remove Jesus Christ from civilization. Women lack the intelligence to understand that they're pawns in this agenda.
A woman's love of a man is best demonstrated by her obedience to him. If a woman lacks obedience to a man, she doesn't truly love him. She only loves what he can provide for her.
Males inherited the fallen nature of Adam in naively putting too much trust into females and leaving them to their own faculties, instead of leading them, which inevitably results in the woman being corrupted and easily manipulated by evil. This happened when Adam left Eve alone, subsequently, Satan succeeded in sowing disobedience in her. Adam got suckered into trusting Eve's claim that it was fine to eat of the Garden. The number of times that men got suckered by women to do the wrong things must equal the number of stars in the cosmos.
Not all Women are not evil, liars or manipulative. Just like not all men are cheaters, liars, abusive, manipulative. Adam ate the apple same as eve... he could have said no, and God could have scrapped her to make a better model. But Adam desired the same thing she did, and that was unlimited power/knowledge. It didn’t take much for Delilah to get Samson. All she had to do was give a come hither look, and he was gone. Both these men ended in trouble because of their own choices, not just the woman. God told Lots family not to look back, and Lot’s wife did, she turned to salt. Lot listened to God, and did not turn back. Women don’t lead men anywhere they don’t want to go, and that goes for men leading women too.
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Yes, sometimes women become feminists after having been mistreated by men ... but that's the minority case. Most of the time women imagine that they're being mistreated if they're not being treated like men.
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A woman will submit if her husband is kind and loving. He doesn’t have double standards in behavior, or use his wife as only a copulation outlet, maid, and nanny.
This is the main problem with feminism - women have been taught that they will do God's will...if the man does his first. That's not catholic at all. Women make a vow before God to respect their husbands (which includes obedience), which is what St Paul told women to do to fulfill their marital duties.
Secondly, the idea that men "force" women to be a maid and nanny shows you have no idea of the vocation of a wife/mother. When you marry, it is your JOB to take care of the house and to raise your children. That's how it has worked for 5,000 years. If you blame your husband for these duties, you have a supremely warped, anti-catholic and feminist view of marriage.
I'll pray for you.
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Adam ate the apple same as eve... he could have said no, and God could have scrapped her to make a better model. But Adam desired the same thing she did, and that was unlimited power/knowledge. ... Women don’t lead men anywhere they don’t want to go, and that goes for men leading women too.
No, Adam did not desire unlimited power/knowledge. Adam didn't need unlimited knowledge because he already had infused knowledge and his power over nature was supreme. God created men with the vocation to rule and govern, so that is their natural duty and their gifts are naturally ordered to fulfill this obligation. Man's greatest temptation is ease of life, which is why God punished Adam with "labor and toil" for all his days. Adam fell because he desired to please his wife; he desired pleasure and he sinfully sacrificed principles (i.e. God's commands) for human respect.
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God created women with the vocation to help and support. Yet woman's greatest temptation is power/control, which they do not typically have the natural ability to obtain easily, which is why God punished Eve with Adam having dominion over her.
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Both sexes sinned in the Garden of Eden, but in different ways. It is part of feminisms' errors to teach that men/women have similar natures and temptations, which is absolutely untrue. A deeper knowledge of human nature and the differences of the sexes is necessary in our day and age.
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This is the main problem with feminism - women have been taught that they will do God's will...if the man does his first. That's not catholic at all. Women make a vow before God to respect their husbands (which includes obedience), which is what St Paul told women to do to fulfill their marital duties.
Secondly, the idea that men "force" women to be a maid and nanny shows you have no idea of the vocation of a wife/mother. When you marry, it is your JOB to take care of the house and to raise your children. That's how it has worked for 5,000 years. If you blame your husband for these duties, you have a supremely warped, anti-catholic and feminist view of marriage.
I'll pray for you.
I don’t blame my husband for anything. I gladly do my task, but when he acts like it should just be done while he sits around all weekend doing nothing but nap, and watch football. While I’m up taking care of everything. I’m gonna get a little upset. That is taking advantage of me, and not thinking of my needs to relax on a weekend too.
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I completely agree that your situation sounds unfair, but my point is that YOUR obligations to God, through you vow of marriage, are NOT DEPENDENT upon your husband’s actions.
Just because my father is an alcoholic doesn’t mean that gives me an accuse to be one too. Just because your husband is being lax in his marital duties doesn’t mean you can too. Your marital vow was to God and your husband but to God first.
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I completely agree that your situation sounds unfair, but my point is that YOUR obligations to God, through you vow of marriage, are NOT DEPENDENT upon your husband’s actions.
Just because my father is an alcoholic doesn’t mean that gives me an accuse to be one too. Just because your husband is being lax in his marital duties doesn’t mean you can too. Your marital vow was to God and your husband but to God first.
Agreed!! But it does make it har door either sex to full film that promise to God if one isn’t doing their part.
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Quote from: Last Tradhican on Yesterday at 11:39:40 PM (https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/have-women-become-too-independent-for-marriage/msg634037/#msg634037)
Begin by the fact that practically no one is a real Catholic in this world and everything else falls into place. There are no men or women who live a Catholic life. So, the question should be what is a Catholic life and what parents are teaching their children what a real how Catholic husband and wife should behave with each other? In my SSPX chapel of like 75 families, there are only like 4 families that are raising their children with the proper tools to be real Catholic husbands and wives. This is a Catholic forum, focus on those people and not the world. As a man, what do you bring to the marriage? As a woman, what do you bring to the marriage?
So you've been spying on the people at your chapel and you know what goes on in their homes? And you believe that there are no Catholics left... except for you, right?
No, to all you speculated.
You see them in the public, the way they behave, the way they dress, the way their children behave and dress. By their deeds you shall know them. "In my SSPX chapel of like 75 families, there are only like 4 families that are raising their children with the proper tools to be real Catholic husbands and wives." The rest are just basically letting the children grow up on their own, sending them to others to teach them, the same as they were "taught".
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Agreed!! But it does make it harder for either sex to fulfill that promise to God if one isn’t doing their part.
Absolutely. And you have a Catholic attitude about it.
But back to the main problem, feminism, which tells women that if men don't do their part, then they are allowed to quit or find a new spouse. Or, that if the man doesn't do their part FIRST, then women can disrespect him, and don't have to fulfill their vows. This is subversive and will destroy a marriage. I'm not saying that a feminist women is SOLEY responsible for the destruction in marriage BUT, if women have this idea that a man must be perfect before she has to "follow him" then she will forever be waiting to follow because no man is perfect and thus, the marriage will slowly die. All this because the woman believed a feminist utopian lie that marriage is "equal", a "partnership" and that spouses are have the same roles.
Disney teaches girls the lie that dating is all about love/emotions. The Catholic/human nature truth is that dating is all about 1) shared goals (i.e. get to heaven, raise a catholic family) 2) complimentary personalities which LEADS TO love because you have agreement on principles and some level of personal "chemistry".
Feminism teaches women the lie that marriage is all about equality and fulfillment. The catholic/human nature truth is that marriage is about DOING A JOB, which means SACRIFICING for the shared goals you both agreed upon when dating (i.e. God will/heaven). Since husbands and wives have DIFFERENT jobs in marriage, there can never be equality because a husband can't do a wives job and vice versa. The fulfillment comes, not from the other person, but from DOING THE JOB WELL and being blessed by God with "that peace which surpasses all understanding." (Phillipines 4:7)
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Relating to not teaching the children to be real Catholic wives, here's some visible to anyone ("by their deeds") examples of not living a real Catholic life:
- during the week, the daughters (and the mothers if they are young) wear jeans, short shorts, tight revealing tops and pants, short skirts ans dresses above the knees, sleeveless tops, belly exposed, bikini and one piece bathing suits....
- the parents allow their daughters to go out with boys without a chaperone
- the parents send their daughters away to school and do not have a clue what their daughters are doing.
- the daughters wear modesty challenging clothing to mass (a sign that the rest of the week they wear jeans, short shorts, tight revealing tops....)
The mothers have passed on to their daughters the false teaching that a woman's beauty is measured by the response they get from men, so the mothers see nothing wrong with their daughters dressing provocatively to attract men, indeed they even encourage it!
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But back to the main problem, feminism, which tells women that if men don't do their part, then they are allowed to quit or find a new spouse. ….Disney teaches girls the lie that dating is all about love/emotions. ….Feminism teaches women the lie that marriage is all about equality and fulfillment.
The main problem is not feminism or Disney, it is that they are not living a Catholic life. The result of not living a Catholic life is feminism and watching Disney to learn about life. If the girl or boy is not living a Catholic life, they will fall for anything.
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Not necessarily. A girl or woman can be living a catholic life but still get caught up in feminism, which is a temptation. No saint was immune from temptation; they were a saint because they 1) recognized the error and 2) conquered it. If catholics don't become educated about lies and feminism, they will be wounded by it, even with an active prayer life. Sainthood is dependent upon temporal and spiritual means.
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Not necessarily. A girl or woman can be living a catholic life but still get caught up in feminism, which is a temptation. No saint was immune from temptation; they were a saint because they 1) recognized the error and 2) conquered it. If catholics don't become educated about lies and feminism, they will be wounded by it, even with an active prayer life. Sainthood is dependent upon temporal and spiritual means.
If they are really living a Catholic life, they are because they are open to receiving the grace from God to do the right thing, everything is dependent on God's Grace and putting no obstacles in His path. A woman that falls for feminism, wearing provocative clothing..... has some other love, a defect, that is blocking God's grace. They have a little white rabbits that they do not want to get rid of:
Johnnie and His Little White Rabbit
"The father of the house came home and called all his children together. He then told them if they gathered up all of their toys, every single last one of them, and gave them away to the poor, that he would then buy them new toys, much more toys, and better toys. However, they had to give away every single toy or else they would not get anything.
The next day the father came home and found a big pile of toys stacked in the living room. He asked the children; is that all the toys, every single last one of them? All the children answered yes, but Johnnie. Johnnie was holding his hands behind his back. His father asked him, Johnnie, did you put all your toys in the pile? Johnnie answered yes, father. The father asked him, Johnnie, what do you have behind your back, show me your hands. Then Johnnie showed his little white stuffed rabbit, his favorite companion. His father said, Johnnie, remember, in order to get the new toys, much more toys than you have now, better toys, you have to give everything away, everything Johnnie. Johnnie answered back, no Daddy, not my little white rabbit, no, I can’t give him away".
(The father is Our Lord Jesus Christ, the toys are man’s earthly attachments which cause them to never receive sanctifying grace or to lose it. The new gifts are sanctifying grace and ultimately eternal bliss in Heaven)
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A woman that falls for feminism, wearing provocative clothing..... has some other love, a defect, that is blocking God's grace.
But the errors of feminism go MUCH DEEPER than simply wearing provacative clothing and not respecting your husband. Just like we've all been infected with Modernism and Protestant thinking, to some degree, we are all infected with feminist THINKING, especially women. Anti-catholic thinking is much more dangerous than actions, because you can stop actions, but the poor thinking will endure and reappear, if it is not corrected.
One cannot simply pray to understand God. You have to read books, listen to sermons, etc. No matter how much a teenager prays, they will have temptations against purity. If all they do is pray about it, they will be neglecting the temporal understanding of WHY God wants us to be pure. If you don't understand the WHYS of the Faith, your faith is superficial, which problem affects most catholics today.
Same thing with feminism. Yes, one can pray to avoid errors ("and lead us not into temptation") but that doesn't mean you understand WHY feminism is wrong. We must do good and avoid evil. Part of 'doing good' is educating yourself. Prayer is part of avoiding evil. Prayer does not supply for lack of learning, unless in extraordinary circuмstances.
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Women who don't know how to deal with men, become feminist.
Men who don't know how to deal with women, go MGTOW.
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But the errors of feminism go MUCH DEEPER than simply wearing provacative clothing and not respecting your husband. Just like we've all been infected with Modernism and Protestant thinking, to some degree, we are all infected with feminist THINKING, especially women. Anti-catholic thinking is much more dangerous than actions, because you can stop actions, but the poor thinking will endure and reappear, if it is not corrected.
One cannot simply pray to understand God. You have to read books, listen to sermons, etc. No matter how much a teenager prays, they will have temptations against purity. If all they do is pray about it, they will be neglecting the temporal understanding of WHY God wants us to be pure. If you don't understand the WHYS of the Faith, your faith is superficial, which problem affects most catholics today.
Same thing with feminism. Yes, one can pray to avoid errors ("and lead us not into temptation") but that doesn't mean you understand WHY feminism is wrong. We must do good and avoid evil. Part of 'doing good' is educating yourself. Prayer is part of avoiding evil. Prayer does not supply for lack of learning, unless in extraordinary circuмstances.
I speak from my personal experience. I knew nothing about the faith when I was 40. I gave up my worldly life and sought to learn truth and God provided me with everything as I went along the path. Without knowing anything, I acquired a vast library of books over time as I taught myself. God also provided me with the sight to recognize good priests and I found very good priests along the way. Looking back now, I look at my library of maybe 1000 books, booklets, tapes, video's, and only 3 are Novus Ordo conservative, all the books are traditional Catholic. How is that possible for a person that knew nothing?
"If they are really living a Catholic life, they are because they are open to receiving the grace from God to do the right thing, everything is dependent on God's Grace and putting no obstacles in His path"..
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Women who don't know how to deal with men, become feminist.
Men who don't know how to deal with women, go MGTOW.
Correction:
Women who don't want to be women, become feminist.
Men who don't want to deal with feminists, go MGTOW.
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Correction:
Women who don't want to be women, become feminist.
Men who don't want to deal with feminists, go MGTOW.
Common driving force in both movements is resentment towards the opposite sex.
Both are mostly composed of involuntary celibates.
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Common driving force in both movements is resentment towards the opposite sex.
No. Feminism is a corruption of feminine nature, completely separate from any resentment towards men. Eve didn't listen to the serpent because she was mad at Adam; she listened because she desired knowledge/power, which is her nature's weakness.
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No. Feminism is a corruption of feminine nature, completely separate from any resentment towards men. Eve didn't listen to the serpent because she was mad at Adam; she listened because she desired knowledge/power, which is her nature's weakness.
Feminism would have never been successful, if men would not have somehow enabled it. Men are born to lead. Western men failed to do so when they lost all control of their women. Masculine men don't blame others for their failures. That's is a sign of effeminacy.
I suspect men by enlarge initially went for Feminism, because for the first time in the whole history of humanity, they could get free sex, without absolutely no commitment or sacrifice on their part.
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I don’t blame my husband for anything. I gladly do my task, but when he acts like it should just be done while he sits around all weekend doing nothing but nap, and watch football. While I’m up taking care of everything. I’m gonna get a little upset. That is taking advantage of me, and not thinking of my needs to relax on a weekend too.
I've known a few clowns like that. They put in their 9-5, come home, and then act like they need to be waited on ... when the wife wasn't exactly sitting around doing nothing during that time, but was working hard to take care of the children. Why don't you respectfully talk to him (and not a bunch of anonymous losers on this forum) and tell him how you feel? Maybe he'll just get mad of course, since I don't know him. So perhaps that won't work. But, at the end of the day, offer this suffering up to Our Lord, and you're the one who's going to be rewarded for it. At the end of the day, it's between you and God.
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Feminism would have never been successful, if men would not have somehow enabled it. Men are born to lead. Western men failed to do so when they lost all control of their women. Masculine men don't blame others for their failures. That's is a sign of effeminacy.
This is what I see all the time. When men fail, it is the men's fault. When women fail, it is the men's fault. If you were God all women would go to heaven because God is merciful and all men would go to hell to suffer for the women's sins.
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This is what I see all the time. When men fail, it is the men's fault. When women fail, it is the men's fault. If you were God all women would go to heaven because God is merciful and all men would go to hell to suffer for the women's sins.
Being a leader who demands obedience, does come with big responsibilities.
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Feminism would have never been successful, if men would not have somehow enabled it. Men are born to lead. Western men failed to do so when they lost all control of their women. Masculine men don't blame others for their failures. That's is a sign of effeminacy.
I suspect men by enlarge initially went for Feminism, because for the first time in the whole history of humanity, they could get free sex, without absolutely no commitment or sacrifice on their part.
Eve sinned first. She didn't blame Adam because he was not to blame. Eve was corrupted by satan, not Adam. If you don't accept this fact, then 1) you don't understand human nature and 2) you have an anti-catholic view of history and the truth of what happened in the garden of eden.
You can't blame feminism on men, just like you can't blame Eve's sin on Adam. To do so is a denail of free will and a denial of women's inherent temptations.
Men have plenty of faults, but we're discussing specificially feminism, which is can be blamed on ZIONIST MEN (who promoted it) and the women who listened to the lies of the serpent once again.
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This is what I see all the time. When men fail, it is the men's fault. When women fail, it is the men's fault. If you were God all women would go to heaven because God is merciful and all men would go to hell to suffer for the women's sins.
Right. For some, this thinking is driven by misogyny. As is the case with men also, there are good women and there are bad women. Women are rational beings and have free will.
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Being a leader who demands obedience, does come with big responsibilities.
Catholic men do not demand obedience, they expect it of catholic women. God demands obedience to Him, through wives' husbands.
Again, your false understanding of the problem is the reason why feminism survives. Wives do not obey their husbands because he earns it or demands it, but because God requires it. If you won't obey a husband, then don't get married.
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Men have plenty of faults, but we're discussing specificially feminism, which is can be blamed on ZIONIST MEN (who promoted it) and the women who listened to the lies of the serpent once again.
You prove my point. Modern Feminism is the creation of MEN. Most women are too dumb to even realize what's happening.
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You can't blame feminism on men, just like you can't blame Eve's sin on Adam.
Eve was gullible and rebellious. She sinned. Adam did not assert his God's-given authority. He also sinned. God punished them BOTH and BOTH (men and women are responsible for their own sins before God)
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You prove my point. Modern Feminism is the creation of MEN. Most women are too dumb to even realize what's happening.
So what? Martin Luther was a man and he started Protestantism. Does that mean that all women who gave up catholicism and embraced protestant heresy are absolved? Of course not.
This type of thinking is a denial of free will. Satan, through his followers (many of which are zionist men) tempt EVERYONE. The point is that women are tempted by feminism because of their faulty human nature. Zionist men are just the means by which God uses to tempt them. The grace is there no matter the cause of the temptation (i.e. interior rebellion vs exterior political system).
Plenty of women who lived in convents were feminists before the term even existed. St Theresa of Avila said once she realized her life was worldly and prideful and started to become pious, her fellow sisters hated her because her life was a reproach of their lust for independence and freedom.
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Eve was gullible and rebellious. She sinned. Adam did not assert his God's-given authority. He also sinned. God punished them BOTH and BOTH (men and women are responsible for their own sins before God)
Partially true and partially false. Eve sinned of her own accord. Adam had NOTHING to do with it. You keep trying to blame Eve's sin on Adam. That's anti-catholic.
Eve sinned because she did not consult Adam for guidance; she sinned through pride and rebellion. Adam sinned because he listened to Eve, not because he failed his role as authoritarian. Eve was already told BY GOD not to eat of the forbidden fruit. She knew what she was doing was wrong.
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Plenty of women who lived in convents were feminists before the term even existed.
True. But why do you think that feminism never took off to the point of destroying entire nations by taking the wife and mother out of the home?
Simply because men didn't allow it. Because there were not laws enabling the feminism to foster. Because women didn't have the vote, nor careers, or right to "choose" or birth control, etc.... Did you know that the main opponents of firstwave feminism were the housewives? Women who were actually provided for and protected by the men and thus, comfortable in their own positions?
Do you think all of a sudden in the XX century, women "empowered" themselves on their own? Of course not. The Zionist MEN, as you say, have GREAT part to blame on this, which is my whole point. I'm not trying to absolve women own gullibility and sin. But you can't blame the entire feminist movement on women alone.
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Do you think all of a sudden in the XX century, women "empowered" themselves on their own? Of course not. The Zionist MEN, as you say, have GREAT part to blame on this, which is my whole point. I'm not trying to absolve women own gullibility and sin. But you can't blame the entire feminist movement on women alone.
No one can blame ANYONE for sinning. God allows temptation for everyone; God provides grace to offset temptation. Feminism is so evil and dangerous because it first attacks women's submissive nature, something which no MAN can control; it is only controlled by women themselves and their openness to grace.
You keep trying to blame men for women's sins. If men are to blame, then so is God. For if men failed by letting women be deceived by error, then God failed for allowing humanity to sin. Of course, this logic makes no sense. Women accepted feminism because their human nature desires the evils promised by feminism - power/control. Free will is a powerful thing. No one can be controlled by another.
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This type of thinking is a denial of free will. Satan, through his followers (many of which are zionist men) tempt EVERYONE. The point is that women are tempted by feminism because of their faulty human nature. Zionist men are just the means by which God uses to tempt them. The grace is there no matter the cause of the temptation (i.e. interior rebellion vs exterior political system).
So now not only does the devil tempt us but God tempts us too ?????
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I've known a few clowns like that. They put in their 9-5, come home, and then act like they need to be waited on ... when the wife wasn't exactly sitting around doing nothing during that time, but was working hard to take care of the children. Why don't you respectfully talk to him (and not a bunch of anonymous losers on this forum) and tell him how you feel? Maybe he'll just get mad of course, since I don't know him. So perhaps that won't work. But, at the end of the day, offer this suffering up to Our Lord, and you're the one who's going to be rewarded for it. At the end of the day, it's between you and God.
He’s honestly a great husband on whole. Sometimes he just acts like his dad, but if you met his family you’d be like.”oh my gosh... I get it.” He never had a good dad example except for work hard. I love my father in law, and he actually respects me a lot for what I’d, and my role. BUT his lack of influence as a strong leader for a Catholic household is definitely felt in both houses. My husband is a good man though.
Women don’t fail because of men, and Men don’t fail because of women. Both sexes fail eachother when roles are forgotten. I saw a quote once that was “ marriage isn’t always 100/100. Some days you struggle with your spouse. You suck is up, and pick up that 80/20 because they need you. That’s love.” I couldn’t agree more with it, BUT either gender will find themselves taken advantage of if whoever is dropping their roles continues to do it. Which would lead to feminism, or a discontented husband :(
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God allows temptation to improve us and strengthen us.
For whom the Lord loveth, he chastiseth: and as a father in the son he pleaseth himself. (Proverbs 3:12)
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Did you know that the main opponents of firstwave feminism were the housewives? Women who were actually provided for and protected by the men and thus, comfortable in their own positions?
So if women aren't provided for and comfortable, then they are allowed to be feminist, or have an excuse?? If God doesn't answer your prayers, then you can sin? That's an immature understanding of the Faith.
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So if women aren't provided for and comfortable, then they are allowed to be feminist, or have an excuse?? If God doesn't answer your prayers, then you can sin? That's an immature understanding of the Faith.
Of course it is not an excuse. However, I strongly suspect that women who are unable to build a successful relationship with a man for any reason, are much more easily persuaded to follow the lies of feminism.
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He’s honestly a great husband on whole.
Well, perhaps he's different than some of the guys I know ... or else you're being kind and charitable.
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40-50 years ago, i'd agree with you. But nowadays, feminism is being subtley taught to girls at the age of 5. Movies (Disney's "Frozen", Star Wars, etc) are all filled with feminist ideals. So women will be taught to act like men and be independent in spirit which will impede their FUTURE relationships with men before they even get to be a teenager. Then when they fail with men at an older age (because any sane man won't want to be with a controlling, argumentative, stubborn woman), their feminist mistrust of men will transform into HATE, because their childhood indoctrination's false picture of men will be realized.
It's a scary situation. Japan has been experiencing this for almost a decade. Women concentrate on careers and are rewarded with high status. No one is getting married because women don't want to marry a man who is lower in status than her, so only 1/3 of young people get married. Pornography is rampant. Social chaos is immenent. God help them, it's a mess.
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Well, perhaps he's different than some of the guys I know ... or else you're being kind and charitable.
He does have a hard time understanding how important his presence is with the kiddos, but it’s getting better. He used to work all day, go to the gym for two hours, and never see them and barely me.
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There's no such thing as an independent woman. Female independence is only possible if men allow it and actively uphold it. Their "independence" is entirely based on the whether men allow it to happen or not, because they're completely incapable of achieving it on their own.
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I think being "too Independent," is about wanting to live without a husband. The woman who is a single mother by choice and is overjoyed about it or at least claims to be. I think ultimately, it's rebellion against the natural order, that God made. But, I think a lot of men and women have given up on trying to make marriages work. I think they are discouraged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeEk4HZGqLo
Single moms: Stop talking about how brave & cool you are
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Genesis 3:16
[...] and thou shalt be under thy husband's power, and he shall have dominion over thee.
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Very few will appreciate my sarcasm, but that bottom picture is actually quite appealing as she is sleeping.... I don’t even remember what sleep is.
Also, I’ve tried cuddling a few times like that with my family. It never goes that smoothly, and I mean it never ever does ....
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The most important and challenging job in world history for a woman is being a mother, homemaker & wife. When done for the glory of Jesus Christ, these women are real warriors.
Cantarella, you run a strong race. Keep running the race, for the real Prize awaits you.